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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:50 PM
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Gore in '08? Will you support him? How do you think he will campaign?
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 10:52 PM by Ignacio Upton
At this time, I still don't believe that he will ultimately run in 2008, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. Out of the current field of potential candidates, I can see each of them having as many faults as positives; some more than others. Personally, I like Wes Clark and Mark Warner the best (currently leaning towards Warner, wanted Clark to win in '04.) but they have their own problems. Ideoligically-speaking, Feingold is really good, but I don't think he's electable. Being a twice-divorced liberal secular Jew from a northern state will not help him.
With Gore, he can also unify different elements of the party. Many DLCers will support him, although porbably less enthusiastically than in 2000 (didn't From criticize Gore for running a more populist campaign in '00?) The netroots will give him almost unanimous support (with the exception of a few Naderite types who use the same "he's a corporatist DLCer" bullshit from 2000) and he will have a fundraising apparatus ready to fill in should big donors gives to someone like Hillary instead (although I'm concerned that a Gore-Hillary primary may cause them to launch attacks against each other about their performances during Bill Clinton's administration, and these attacks could be used by the Republican candidate to "discredit" the performance of the other candidate. For example, Hillary could attack Gore for something that may undermine their COMMON arguement that the '90's had better leadship in the White House.)
Another important thing is whether or not Gore will run the same campaign as he did in 2000, or will he start over with a new approach? If he rehires Donna Brazille and selects Lieberman to be his VP, then he's fucked. If he hires NEW campaign advisors and selects a NEW Veep, then he will prove that he is not the 2000 Gore. If he sticks to his style of speech that he's acquired, this will also help him
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:52 PM
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1. In A Heartbeat -
he will be brilliant this time around
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:53 PM
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2. I would love to see him take on the VRWC
and the MSM for what they did to him in 2000. I would also love to see him campaign in Ohio and Florida and say "I'm back!"

.....I also hope he campaigns for Bill Nelson against Katherine Harris during the last weekend in October :D
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:54 PM
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3. It's a definite maybe, something that gives me a modicum of hope.
I will quit my regular job and work full time for his campaign.

Gore is a new man and I am confident he will not retrace the steps of his last campaign.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:55 PM
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4. I'd like to see Donna Brazille stay off the tv as well
None of his higher-ups from 2000 should be allowed to touch him.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:16 PM
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15. agreed
He must shake off all the shackles of his 2000 campaign.

I tell you, I am really excited about the prospect of him running again, and my heart will be quite broken if he doesn't. I worked my ass off for him in 2000 and was hospitalized after the Supreme Court decision. It was devastating - to me and the country. I would give anything if things could be put right. Melodramatic to be sure, but 2000 was a travesty.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:56 PM
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5. That depends
If he picks Lieberman as VP again....
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:57 PM
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6. Good point.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:59 PM
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10. doncha know?
It is rumored Lieberman will be endorsed by Republicans. The kiss of death. Couldn't happen to a more compliant cheerleader for BushCo.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:27 PM
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35. Joe was running for Prez in 2004. Did Al endorse him?
I don't think so.....

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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:57 PM
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7. Yeppers.....


Gore For Sure........Gore/Feingold sounds great....
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:58 PM
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8. yes!
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:59 PM
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9. Gore says he has no presidential plans....
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 11:00 PM by Flabbergasted
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-briefs21.5mar21,1,4869463.story?coll=la-news-politics-national

Gore Says He Has No Presidential Plans
From Times Wire Reports
March, 21 2006

Former Vice President Al Gore said he was not planning to run for president on the Democratic ticket in 2008.


"I'm enjoying what I'm doing," Gore told an audience at Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro, where he gave a lecture on global warming.

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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:02 PM
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11. I know his chances of running are unlikely
However, I want to know how people would react hypothetically.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:06 PM
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12. I see. Yes. ..... I'd like to see a demoIraq war vet come back and win in
08 easy. Like a miracle turnaround. Ok I'm a dreamer.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:10 PM
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13. As long as he doesn't hire Donna Brazile
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 11:11 PM by longship
Or somebody like her.

He needs to find somebody from outside the Beltway to advise him. Somebody who has a fire in his or her belly, somebody who will play to win.

I love Al Gore, but he has to put the fire in his soul into his campaign. He needs to take up Physics Nobel Laureate Richard Feynman's banner. "What do you care what other people think?" Only in context of the Presidential campaign, the banner should read, "What do you care what the Republicans think?" (Or say.)

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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:13 PM
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14. Or Bob Shrum
:scared:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:21 PM
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22. Did you notice Brazille called on Dems to embrace Feingold on censure?
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 06:59 PM
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26. There may be hope for her yet.
nt
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 12:21 AM
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16. A lot of the attitude toward Gore...
...seems to run to "Please, forgive us! We fucked up royally in 2000 and paid for it and are still paying for it and need some MAJOR help to turn this mess around!
WE'RE SO SORRY, REALLY!!!:cry:

Pass the salt, I'll eat crow...and I DID vote for him!
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 04:01 AM
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17. Gore has NOT ruled out running again
Edited on Wed Mar-22-06 04:02 AM by Apollo11
Saying "right now I am not planning to be a candidate" is NOT the same as saying "there is no way I would consider running again".

Has Hillary said "I am planning to run for President in 2008"?

No. Nobody has said that yet.

Why? Because it's too early.

Gore doesn't even have to make a decision until 2007.

If he runs we should all support him, and let him choose his own running mate. I'm sure it will NOT be Joe Lieberman (or anyone else who has been a consistent Bu$h supporter on the Iraq issue during these past 3 years).

In Gore We Trust
www.algore.org :)
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 04:39 AM
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18. He has to "come clean" about Jan 6th 2001 first
He has to admit that he presided over the breach of the US Constitution, when no Senator (or presiding officer) stood in objection to the clearly unlawful Florida electors.

It can be difficult to admit failure, or dereliction of duty. But he must also express regret for responding to the edict by the Felonious Five in Bush v. Gore with capitulation that was not his to offer. That he failed to follow the explicit instructions in Justice Breyer's dissent for how to proceed constitutionally even in those dire circumstances.

The (former) American People are very forgiving. They will understand it if he explains to them that he was overly influenced by a DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy whose purpose is to control and manipulate the public and its servants; rather than see to it that, as sovereigns, their consent to govern be morally implemented.

By doing so, he could re-buttress this single moral tenet on which the nation was founded, and until 2000 still rested.

Senator Barbara Boxer has done her part by standing up to the unlawful Ohio electors on January 6th, 2005 - and expressing her regret for not doing the same four years earlier. But for Gore to do the same would be so much more powerful and inspiring.

He would then be worthy of pastoring the nation to the Redemption of Our National Soul.

Until then, he would only be asking us to go forward with him in dishonesty.

--
www.january6th.org
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 08:16 AM
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19. We need to "move on" from 2000
Gore kept fighting for as long as there was a chance of changing the outcome.

He only stopped fighting when there was no chance of changing the outcome.

Al Gore strongly disagreed with the Supreme Court's decision, but he accepted it.

Instead of "going down fighting", using up all his political credibility and allowing himself to be painted as a "sore loserman" - he has lived to fight another day.

There would be no point in Gore trying to encourage Senators to start up a debate when it was clear that Senate Dems were not prepared to go down to the wire.

The Democratic leadership in Congress had decided that the 2000 election was over, that they would let Bush be inaugurated, and then try harder in 2004.

The pressure on Gore to quit was already strong before the SCOTUS decision. If he had tried to continue fighting it would have been an act of political suicide.

What we know for sure is that when it comes to November 2008, most voters are not going to base their decision based on what we wish had happened in November 2000.

We have to give people good reasons to vote for our candidates, and at the same time do everything we can to ensure a clean, fair and accurate election.

In Gore We Trust
www.algore.org :)

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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:10 PM
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21. "Moving on" in dishonesty is the cause of all that's followed
You might call it "An Inconvenient Truth."

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www.january6th.org
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:32 PM
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37. I agree Apollo11.
I believe Al made the best decision that could be made out of circumstances that allowed no good decision.

I also believe Al could be our greatest President and will work tirelessly to put him in the White House where he belongs.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:51 PM
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34. My problem with Gore, too
I have such reservations because of this disgraceful episode. I also resent the hell out of him for not working these past years for election reform. 2004 might have been very different. I'm now beginning to similarly resent Kerry for not working for election reform. We only have two years to go and must not be complacent AGAIN.

If he won the nom, of course I would support him.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 08:53 AM
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20. I'd like to see Gore/Feingold or maybe Kerry/Feingold, yes I'd.......
.....vote for them in a hot second.:bounce: :grouphug: :patriot: :hi:
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:23 PM
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23. Run Al run!
and roar like the lion we've heard for the past few years.

I don't know if he will run but if he does I think he knows that keeping himself under wraps and not expressing his true passion was the biggest mistake he made in 2000. They guy is no dope, maybe the smartest person who would ever be President so I doubt he misses much.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:27 PM
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24. YES, I'd support Gore but he needs to jettison Joementum as VP, go with
Feingold or Murtha
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 06:40 PM
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25. Read article in American Prospect
The guy writing the article says he will run if we all demand it of him.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&articleId=11299
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 07:06 PM
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27. I would definitely support Gore
with all the time and money that I can afford.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 08:03 PM
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28. Hell yes! He is the ONLY potential candidate that I think has the balance
we need. I'm not in the least bit enthused about anyone else.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:07 AM
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29. I think my screen name answers that question
:kick: :patriot: :kick:
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:41 AM
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33. Gore! Gore! Gore! Gore!
The people insist!!!
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:14 AM
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30. Gore has NOT called for a near-term end to the war
i'll consider voting for any non-republican candidate who does ...
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:34 AM
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32. He had the good judgement to oppose it from the beginning
I haven't heard Gore's solution to the war--if he has one. Sounds to me like he's been concentrating on environmental and constitutional issues.

Personally, I think he is running already albeit in a most unconventional way. His movie should come out later this spring and I think at that time we will see the release of a new, improved Al Gore as he does the talk show rounds in a "nonpartisan" way that shows off his charm and sense of humor--attributes that he sorely lacked as a candidate in 2000.

He has the option of waiting to announce--unlike lesser known candidates who have to hit the pavement in the early states to drum up support.

While I'm not crazy about his trade policies--he was a big NAFTA supporter--I think he is the best qualified to clean up this mess Bush and the Republicans have made that the Democrats have to offer.

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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 11:14 AM
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31. He's one of my top three picks: Clark, Gore, and Feingold.
Considering the current level of Repuke corruption, I don't wish a presidential campaign on anybody though. If any one of them gets the nomination he will have my heart and soul during the campaign.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:51 PM
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36. I WILL support him. He will campaign as a Populist!
He has a fire in his belly, and the way he's been speaking, he will run as a Populist. That's my prediction anyway.


Gore is really intelligent (like rocket-scientist kind-of-smart). He WILL hire better handlers this time.
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conning Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:46 PM
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38. Global warming is the issue
that dwarfs everything else. Gore could help us all understand what sacrifices and what constructive actions we will need to implement very, very soon, if not before. Understand that this leadership challenge is an unprecedented one.
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