Will you feel the same way about Fitzgerald if Rove is not indicted??

[killerbush]

A lot of people think special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is the best thing to come along since the invention of the wheel. Du'ers are gushing him with praise for being a tough minded prosecutor that had the balls to indict Scooter Libby, and many of you cannot wait until he comes back with a Rove indictment.
Well, let me ask you a question. If Fitzgerald lets Rove off the hook, and doesn't indict him, will you still feel the same way about him, or will you get out the butcher knives, and call him every name in the book? I've noticed that Du'ers can be a pretty fickle crowd, so I'm just wondering what your reaction is going to be if Fitzgerald lets Rove walk?? Myself, I will be upset yeah, but I won't think anything less of Fitzgerald than I did before.

[mdmc]

1. I don't feel anything for him

I think that he is doing his job. I think that he is a :patriot:

[Ignacio Upton]

2. My opinion won't change

Rove was involved, but the question is how easy is it to prove his INTENTS and whether or not he meant to violate the law. I'm glad that Fitz is aggresively persuing this case.

[Virginia Dare]

3. He's made Rove's life hell for a year or so now...

that puts a smile on my face regardless of what happens.

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[Caution]

4. I will be disappointed that Rove didn't get caught but Fitzgerald

has been professional and impressive throughout. All prosecutors should act in the manner he has acted.

[LiberalPartisan]

10. Agreed!!! n/t

[madame defarge]

5. Absolutely...

I believe wholeheartedly that Fitzgerald will do the right thing based on fact & evidence. If it does turn out that there isn't enough evidence to indict Rover, it's because there isn't enough evidence to indict Rover. Period. Fitz is very thorough, honest, intelligent, & capable. I trust him completely.

[bdamomma]

25. I trust him too.

he's a thorough lawyer.

[BillZBubb]

6. I've never been sold on Fitzgerald. I'm still concerned.

Maybe he's going through this elaborate delaying game to give the appearance of a thorough investigation.

When he didn't indict anyone prior to the last election, I pretty much concluded the fix was in. I'm still concerned.

[greatauntoftriplets]

7. It is the grand jury who will or will not indict.

Not Patrick Fitzgerald himself.

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. That scenario would only present itself if there was nothing

provable in court to hang Rove on - which is not outside the realm of possibility. He's been covering his tracks for decades, and is no doubt very good at it. Rove will only go down if someone rolls over on him.

[Drum]

11. (And if Rove rolls over on someone, watch out!)

Can you imagine a more disgusting demise?

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. Ewwww!

[LiberalEsto]

9. Only if he indicts Deadeye Cheney and the Chimp

Then I will kiss his feet.

[saltpoint]

12. Fitzgerald's a class act. No matter Rove's fate, I think Fitzgerald is

thorough and competent, maybe even exceptional.

I'd buy the man a drink whether or not Rove is indicted.

[MADem]

13. Fitzgerald is doing his job. And he has a history of great success

Libby has a couple of choices--deal, go to jail, or stall and pray for a pardon. If he goes down early, he can probably manage to spend his fortune and the contributions to his legal fund on lawyers and stay out on appeal until after NOV 08, when he will get the CAP WEINBERGER pardon from Junior.

But unless he has some serious assurances, in the presence of his counsel, I'd be nervous if I were him, trusting the Monkey to stay true to a promise.

He's got little kids...he doesn't want them to grow up seeing him through bars.

[alfredo]

14. What if he doesn't indict Rove? It could mean Rove turned

state's evidence. That is just too delicious to comprehend. We will know if Fitz reconvenes the GJ.

[leveymg]

15. I'll trade Rove for Cheney and/or Bush - but no one less. eom

[alfredo]

27. Same here

[NanceGreggs]

16. Problem with the wording ...

"If Fitzgerald lets Rove off the hook ..."

"If Fitzgerald lets Rove walk ..."

There's a big difference between not having enough hard evidence to indict and 'letting' someone walk or off-the-hook.

I trust Fitzgerald to do neither. He will pursue whatever charges he can under the law, but he's never going to allow anyone to 'walk' if he can prove their guilt.

[peacetalksforall]

17. Sorry, you asked a non-question. You are asking the question as if

there was leeway. Meaning it was all up to Fitzgerald - as if he were a CEO or movie producer. Or, you could say, the question is framed as if someone in the Bush cabal might ask it knowing that they can create leeway.

The law is the law and that is what Fitzgerald is supposed to be about; so we're told and so we can hope.

[killerbush]

19. Basically, it is up to Fitzgerald

The grand jury will indict based on his word alone.

[peacetalksforall]

22. Then it will be on his good judgment and the people who assist him.

Kinda the same thing. We can hope he is non-political as they say.

[incapsulated]

18. I don't "feel" things about Fitzgerald, I want him to do his job

And take this as far as he can. I think he should go after Rove. I hope he does. I will be disappointed if he does not. That is all.

[AtomicKitten]

20. I admire Patrick Fitzgerald.

That will not change regardless.

[bdamomma]

23. I will the same about fitz

he is not done yet, if not rove, (but I hope he gets indicted) maybe going towards some big fish like cheney. cheney is too arrogant I would love to him get indicted, he shot someone in the face, and nothing was done, maybe fitz will get him. Do not be so sure of yourself cheney, you will be facing your day very soon, every dog has its day.

[BR_Parkway]

24. The man has honor and integrity - I would be disappointed if there's

no case, but my respect for Fitz in this case, plus the other corruption scandals remains.

Besides, my heart (and gut) tells me Rove is going to get indicted, just not sure which charges and the number of counts.

[Norquist Nemesis]

26. Yes.

He reached idol status with me when he indicted George Ryan.

[sendero]

28. My belief...

... is that if Fitzgerald has the case he will seek an indictment. It is up to the GJ to actually indict, but I'm led to believe that the GJ hands down indictments most of the time prosecutors ask for them.

I think Fitzgerald is working to make the case. If he doesn't, I'm not going to think less of him, he's working against all odds to make anything happen with this bunch.

[peacetheonlyway]

29. i'm with anything fitz does period...

never have I had so much confidence in a man's integrity.

What I've seen with Fitz is laser focus, attention to detail and not missing a single fact.
I believe that Fitz is going deep now (meaning working down the tree) but he has a plan to go broad, meaning all the folks this scandal ultimately touched in the white house, over time, he will get every rat bastard responsible for the treason of outing a CIA agent.

If Rove doesn't get indicted this week, I have confidence Fitz can get him on other areas of the scandal. I'm placing my trust in this man and will trust any outcome he produces.....

[zanne]

30. It's hard to tell the good guys from the bad guys these days...

It's also hard to tell the courageous from the gutless. Time after time, people we've counted on to speak up against the Bush insanity have caved, one by one. I think it's safe to say the days of "American heroes" are over. Yes, it's cynical, but I think those in the public eye have earned the cynicism.

[Catherine Vincent]

31. My answer is your answer.

"I will be upset yeah, but I won't think anything less of Fitzgerald than I did before." And I will add that he will still be Mr. SEXY in my eyes. ;-)

[killerbush]

32. Steady cat_girl

Breath in, breath out!!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

34. LOL!

Go Fitz!

[MrSlayer]

33. If Rove walks it won't be because Fitz "lets" him.

It will be because he didn't do anything worthy of indictment. Fitzgerald doesn't strike me as that type of guy, he seems to be all business.

[Missy Vixen]

35. Rove's running scared. I believe he WILL indict

First of all, I'd like to opine on an issue I believe has utterly failed the GOP re: Patrick Fitzgerald.

They tried swiftboating Patrick Fitzgerald on the Sunday morning gasbag shows; that didn't get any traction. He's too well respected, he's too impartial, he's too nonpartisan. By attempting to smear him, they make themselves look bad, especially because he's a two-time Bush appointee. The GOP corners the market on negative oppo research. If there was any dirty dirt to be had on the man, it would have been on the front page of every newspaper in the United States by now.

Today's spinning by John Fund (are they kidding? Yeah, Fund's got all kinds of credibility, doesn't he?) and the rest of the GOP Kool Kids is nothing more than posturing.

>I've noticed that Du'ers can be a pretty fickle crowd, so I'm just wondering what your reaction is going to be if Fitzgerald lets Rove walk??<

Not going to happen. First of all, it's not a case of Patrick Fitzgerald "letting him walk". The grand jury votes to indict. Secondly, he's pretty thorough. It's hard to believe that Rove would have had five fun-filled visits to the grand jury (including the last 3 1/2 hours' worth of questioning by America's Hottest Prosecutor, which Rove described as "hell") if there was nothing going on.

The only way there's not going to be an indictment at this point (Julie confidently says,) is if Rove manages to pull the mother of all plea bargains out of a hat, and as part of that plea bargain, he's handing over those further up the food chain. I don't believe it's going to happen. If Libby couldn't manage it (and gosh, he's tried real hard, hasn't he?) it's not going to happen. I'm also wondering if Rove's attorney might be in trouble too. Jason Leopold said yesterday that he has previously been deposed in this case as a witness, which I found pretty interesting.

By the time our favorite guy is done, there will be nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. If they thought the fallout from Katrina/Hookergate/Abramoff/Delay/Cheney shooting the lawyer in the face was bad, this will make all of it look like a day in the park. He drew a straight line a couple of weeks ago into the Oval Office re: Valerie Plame's outing and the destruction of her network.

I'm old enough to remember Watergate. I watched the hearings. This is so, SO much worse, and we're living in a time in which the party of the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue does not have leadership with the integrity to demand that he resign for the good of the country, as the Republicans did when Nixon and his henchmen committed their crimes.

We watch and wait.
Julie
president for life of the PFEB

p.s. There are no photographs of PF on this thread? Well, I'm going to have to post one!

[Catherine Vincent]

37. Excellent post, Julie!

And yummy on the pic! :hi:

[usregimechange]

36. will be grand jury's fault as Fitz is seeking indictement, is he not?

[caledesi]

38. Yes, I think Fitz is a straight-shooter and politics doesn't matter. nt