Spy programs might up Bush`s support

[sabra]

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1163938.php/Spy_programs_might_up_Bush%60s_support

Spy programs might up Bush`s support

WASHINGTON, DC, United States (UPI) -- Debate over how the Bush administration spies on U.S. citizens in the war on terror may actually help the president`s sagging ratings, a report says.

With his popularity hovering at an all-time low, Time magazine reports in its Monday edition that more people may support Bush`s spy programs than civil libertarians and Capitol Hill critics acknowledge.

In addition to the National Security Agency program of listening in on conversations between domestic and foreign callers without a warrant, revelations this week about new spying efforts have hit the news.

This includes a database that tracks nearly all telephone calls made within the country.

[leftchick]

1. when I see Scarborough outraged over it

I know it isn't going to help his numbers. This is a GE desperation piece.

[tridim]

2. Deluded fools

I expect these people will still say Bush is a strong president even after he's impeached and convicted.

[babylonsister]

3. What is up with Time? Week after week they defend the blivet.

If I subscribed, I'd cancel.

[leesa]

24. They are owned by the military-industrial powers that be. They whore for

them. It's their job.

[C_U_L8R]

4. Yeah - wishful thinking

or perhaps praying.

To quote Poppy (or at least Carvey's Poppy)
"Ain't gonna happen'
"uhuh"

[Jane Austin]

5. You know what?

If American people don't know the importance of the Bill of Rights, Constitutional law and the right of personal privacy, one of the chief culprits would have to be Time Magazine.

Over the years, week after week, they have had the opportunity to educate and remind millions of people of what this country's founding principles were and why they are important.

There are other culprits in this, but Time Magazine ought to look in the mirror.

[aquart]

6. Are these people insane?

[midnight]

13. Yep.

One would have to conclude this.

[Thickasabrick]

7. They used the lame WaPo poll, which was taken the night

the story came out and only included 500 or so people. If they had used the Newsweek poll, it said the opposite.

[0rganism]

11. That's the "official" poll now, everyone will be referring to it

"But don't you get it, it's what the American people WANT him to do! Didn't you see the poll?"

Damn that liberal media! :sarcasm:

[0rganism]

8. They'll have to spin real real hard to get that pig flying

It's going to take a concerted effort to marginalize the critics, reframe the debate, and distract the public.

If I were in bush's spot, I'd be empowering some really competent people at FEMA right about now to prepare for hurricane season, and do a truly awesome job in disaster response this year (not to mention following through with all the unmet promises from last year). That would make a huge difference in his approval numbers, and lend credibility to his ability to handle other nat'l security tasks.

However, bush has proven that appointments and prominence are almost entirely used as promotional apparatus for his political croneys, so there's little chance of this happening.

[Ready4Change]

9. "Can't get any worse" mindset.

It's totally wrong, but that won't be evident until they post something like the following.

"Despite the Presidents 24% approval rating, studies indicate that the recent news of his killing kittens may actually give the president a boost in the polls, led by pet owners who prefer dogs, rather than cats."

[EVDebs]

10. Fiasco fatigue is setting in. Yup, another PR disaster front/center

for WH's weary Press Sec to handle, the Deceiver In Chief is at it again. And someone remind me how many more years in office are remaining in this Bataan Death March ? Huh ?

They can listen in to OUR phone calls but can't seem to do jacksquat against OBL & Co. Makes you wonder about that competence thing.

Oh, BTW, how many billions of dollars are we taxpayers paying eavesdropping on Auntie Emm's phone calls to Uncle Festus ?

[flyarm]

12. BULL!! WHEN AMERICANS REALIZE THIS INCOMPASSES

CHOICEPOINT data mining, and the TIA program under Poindexter that was supposed to be stopped and just moved over under NSA they will be outraged!
when they realize their medical info has been data mined to pharmasuticals and insurance companies to limit or void them from getting insurance, or their tax lawyers have been mined , or their legal people have been mined and all their calls to a from ..they will be out raged, when they find out Qwest is owned by Carlyle who is owned by the Bin Laden family and that Qwest also owns the phone book companies and all their info is being cross mined..people will be out raged..

its still early in what the American people know...and what they understand what has gone on here!!

AMERICA..THE POLICE STATE...welcome to the Nazi America!

fly

[grasswire]

14. bogus disinformation

This is a piece of crap.

[MidwestMomma]

23. Yes, they tell us how we're 'supposed' to feel about it

Lather, rinse and repeat until 'everyone' believes that is how they feel about it.

It's :scared:

[Rex]

15. I'm sure this is how Stalin started off, spy programs? Harmless!

"With his popularity hovering at an all-time low, Time magazine reports in its Monday edition that more people may support Bush`s spy programs than civil libertarians and Capitol Hill critics acknowledge."

[rodeodance]

16. If people believe Bush =he is protecting us-then, yes, he will gather

some support.

[subterranean]

17. It gives him another chance to talk about his favorite topics

9/11 and terror--not that he needs much prompting.

Anyway, if the spying is illegal and unconstitutional, why should it matter whether people support it or not?

[salin]

18. heh... MoonieTimes wire-service wishful thinking logic.

Too funny - in an absurd sorta way.

[struggle4progress]

27. Bingo.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. What a pile of crap.

[Tempest]

20. Gallup: 51% against, 63% want investigation

http://tinyurl.com/naobm

And that's just after it was revealed.

Americans against the database will continue to grow as more information comes out.

[Amonester]

28. Perhaps also if someone launches some sort of "educational"

program "aimed & blasted" at the idiot bu$hbots, maybe it would help increase the number of Americans against the database (I know it wouldn't be fair but that minotity who still supports this wor$t pRe$ident ever will never vote for any Dems): Just "inform" them that if they're supporting these illegal policies their preznit wants to make legal, the next Democratic President will use them too... I predict the number of people against the database would increase faster.

Who could start such special "educational" program targetting these idiots as soon as possible? MoveOn?

(Make sure it's ONLY "aimed" at these retards.)


Edit: I can't type on the new laptop (yet). Sorry.

[mvd]

21. Ridiculous

He's at 29%!

I was outraged at the massive phone bank and not surprised. If anything, the program will hurt his ratings more.

I know in countries like Italy they have widespread wiretapping, but not without any checks and balances! When they heard in Italy about what Bush is doing, they were as disturbed as I am.

[coalition_unwilling]

22. You must read Daniel Goldhagen's "Hitler's Willing Executioners"

to understand this phenomenon more fully. Goldhagen, imho, has once and for all exploded the mythos that most Germans "just didn't know" about the mass exterminations taking place. On the contrary, Goldhagen demonstrates that most Germans enthusiastically supported the Nazi's genocidal agenda, even as Russian and Allied troops were crossing both the eastern and western borders of pre-war Germany.

Give the average American a choice between law and order and, of course, like Hitler's willing executioners, they'll take the latter. That's OK, we've already lost the so-called (mis-named, imho) "War on Terror" at Bush's Stalingrad (aka Iraq) and pretty soon we will become just another sorry little footnote to history. And, of course, if we do something really stupid like use nukes on Iran, we run the risk of inviting the rest of the world, including nuclear powers Russia and China, to unite militarily against us.

[AX10]

25. No. The People don't support the program.

[retread]

26. Monkeys might fly out of my butt. n/t