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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:17 PM
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"Bush-hatred a threat to national security". Wow, so it has come to this.
Edited on Wed May-24-06 06:06 PM by LiviaOlivia
Bush-hatred a threat to national security
Morton Kondracke
05/23/2006 12:00:00 AM PDT

ENOUGH already! It's harmful enough that ideological conflict and partisan politics are preventing this country from solving its long-term challenges on health care, fiscal policy and energy. Now it's threatening our national survival.

I do not exaggerate. Bush-hatred has reached such intensity that CIA officers and other bureaucrats are leaking major secrets about anti-terrorism policy and communications intelligence that undermine our ability to fight Islamic extremism.

Would newspapers in the midst of World War II have printed the fact that the United States had broken German and Japanese codes, enabling the enemy to secure its communications? Or revealed how and where Nazi spies were being interrogated? Nowadays, newspapers win Pulitzer Prizes for such disclosures. In Congress and in much of the media, the immediate reaction to news that the National Security Agency was intercepting international terrorist communications was not to say, "Good work - and how can we help?" Rather, it was to scream about a "domestic spying" scandal, as though Richard Nixon were back in the White House and tapping the telephone of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean.

~snip~

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/opinions/ci_3853550


Kondracke acknowledges the RW hate war against Clinton, the NSA, and a do-nothing Congress but he assumes that the Iraq/Bin Laden war is so righteous and equal to WW2 that he's willing to forfeit democracy. He is so wrong. It's amazing that so-called educated men hate the very democracy that gave them their lives.

The wingers are backed into a corner and this anti-democratic shit is all they got left to throw at us. I say they are liars, thieves, misogynists, looters, rapists, racists, perverts, murderers and the foremost danger to America. So does that make me a threat to their "national security"? God I hope so.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:19 PM
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1. The newspapers went against Roosevelt, de Gaulle, and Churchill
during WWII. If they didn't like policy.. or the way the war was being fought, or what the alliances were.. they went public with "stories" and "editorials".

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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:39 AM
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46. But they did not leak operational information, the big step ...
Edited on Thu May-25-06 08:39 AM by BOHICA06
between leading descent and assisting in espionage.
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fiorello Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:22 PM
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76. The Chicago Tribune did print secret war information during WW2
Kondracke writes:

"Would newspapers in the midst of World War II have printed the fact that the United States had broken German and Japanese codes, enabling the enemy to secure its communications?"

Answer: Yes.

The Chicago Tribune - then considered "the voice of midwest Republicanism" (Mike Royko) - printed the fact that the U.S. had broken the Japanese secret code, either just before or just after the U.S. entered the war. (Source: The Peoples Almanac, vol. 1, 1974 - probably loads of other places. The Tribune also published the U.S. military plans in event of war (specifically, the plan to attack Germany first), in fall, 1941 - just before the U.S. entered the war. (Don't remember the source, but I've seen this in many places.)

Roosevelt ignored this treason, reasoning that a public outcry would bring the story to the attention of the Germans and Japanese, but if he said nothing they might miss it. (Roosevelt, unlike little bush, cared first about the security of his country). That is in fact what happened - the Germans and Japanese wrote it off as propaganda from a Republican paper.

Of course, there is no real comparison between revelations of war secrets during World War 2 and revelations of secret programs now - the World War 2 secrets only damaged the security of the country, but today's revelations damage the security of the Republican party - that is a much more heinous crime.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 02:48 PM
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80. What operational information has been outed? I mean it was news all over
Edited on Thu May-25-06 02:49 PM by applegrove
the world that USA reserved the right to tap into internet of anyone outside the USA. Phone calls too. Do ya think the al Qaeda didn't transfer that capability to within the USA?

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:21 PM
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2. Lieberman agrees
Edited on Wed May-24-06 05:29 PM by MethuenProgressive
Joe said just about the same thing.
"It is time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be Commander-in-Chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war we undermine Presidential credibility at our nation's peril." - Joe Lieberman
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 07:49 PM
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20. Aw joe you are just
full of pithyness.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:45 PM
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23. Lieberman...
Why don't you just become a Republican & get it over with, Mr. Lieberman! Geez...

Tammy
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svpadgham Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:35 PM
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86. The Repubes Think
Lieberman is too "jewy."

No offense, I mean some of my best friends are Jewish. That is the proper disclaimer isn't it?

I keep reading this over and over and there's no way to return from the darkside, maybe I shouldn't post it.

Oh Hell, in the name of comedy it will be posted. Please feel free to spank me with a wet noodle.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:26 AM
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44. Joe????? "we"
"we undermine Presidential credibility"

Who is responsible for presidential credibility--the president, Joe. Lieberman needs his own credibility checked.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:50 AM
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49. Fuck you Joe.....
It is time for Joe to decide which fucking party he represents, and if it DOESN'T have a donkey as it's emblem he needs to get the FUCK OUT!!!!
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:54 AM
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59. Fuck Lieberman - He A Goddamned DINO Anyway
hey, Joe...why don't you just fucking switch parties already? We won't fuckin' miss ya! don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:21 PM
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3. What's NOT a "threat to national security" according to these fascists?
The Constitution? A threat.
Freedom? A threat.
Privacy? A threat.
Voting? A threat.
Sex? A threat.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:26 PM
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4. maybe someone needs to define "National Security", or
should I say "re-define" it-

What is good for the president, isn't necessiarily good for the nation. What republicans cared about attacking and hating, and slandering Clinton as we went into Kosovo???
* is NOT the 'nation'. Contrary to his own inflated sense of self.

And those poor slobs still caught in his well of denial.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:00 PM
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13. That's why I hate when these asshats invoke it. The Supreme Court has
acknowledged what a nebulous term it is and how it can be invoked for just about anything.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:47 AM
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48. And after he went after bin Laden?
Edited on Thu May-25-06 08:47 AM by Jawja
He was "wagging the dog" to get the conversation away from Monica - so the spin goes from these hypocritical thugs.

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:34 AM
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56. Obedience and unquestioned adoration to the Decider. n/t
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:27 PM
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5. Kondracke is Fred Barnes' boy toy. Getting closer to bad things happening
Edited on Wed May-24-06 05:28 PM by faygokid
"Enough of this Bush hatred! Enough of these traitorous newspapers!" It's becoming a drumbeat, and it's coordinated. They are just setting the stage. Face it, the next logical question, if this is a "threat to national security" (and we know here who the real threat is), the next logical question is, "And so what do we do about it?" And the answer, I have feared for some time, is martial law. This is one more indication that something is up.

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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:12 AM
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71. LOL, what a great photo!
The Emperor and his Clothes!!!
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:32 AM
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94. cool photo
I hate to ask where KKKarl's hiding his remote ear piece unit.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:33 PM
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6. pardon me, what restraint was used during the Clinton roast
the republicans were in full cry every day, wasn't 70 million dollars spent investigating
White Water with no indictments handed down, now we have a President who condones torture, secret renditions, secret prisons, pre-emptive strikes on foreign countries, using nuclear options as a bargaining chip and when people try to act as whistleblowers, IT'S IMMORAL. I remember when they were discussing Clinton's private parts in the press. But's it's immoral to try to expose illegal activity. Oh, that's right I forgot the all important filter,
(R) or (D) after your name.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:26 AM
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62. Bravo!
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:39 PM
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83. Thanks, this is all an attempt to whitewash incompetence
and wrongdoing
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:40 PM
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7. "undermine our ability to fight Islamic extremism" Uh, you mean...
...terrorism, right?

:eyes:
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:41 PM
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8. Waaaahh, waaahhh!...
boo hoo, hoo...sniffle, sniffle...you're hurting my preznut...waaaahh, waaahhh...stop already...stop hurting Bush...waaaahh, waaahh...
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:41 PM
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9. And I wonder WHY
Bush hatred has reached such heights? Does he think it just happened?
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:44 PM
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10. Same shit, different year
Edited on Wed May-24-06 05:45 PM by Downtown Hound
Remember when we couldn't criticize the Iraq War because it wasn't supporting our troops? Remember when we couldn't criticize Bush at all in the days after 9-11 because we had to stand behind our leader in time of war? I'm so sick of this crap. Listen up all you right wingers: THE GREATEST THREAT TO OUR NATION'S SECURITY IS BUSH HIMSELF. He has led us into one failed war after another. He has allowed, either intentionally or through sheer incompetence, the worst attack in American history to occur on our soil. He has allowed a whole city to be destroyed because he decided he needed a vacation after he received a briefing about how the levees in New Orleans would likely be breached. International terrorism had risen dramatically under his rule. Global Warming is becoming a reality. China is becoming a major military power while Bush bleeds us to death in the Middle East.

Hey Mort, go fuck yourself. If you had one-tenth the love of this country you claim to, you would realize this.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:47 PM
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11. Dang. If Bush is dragging our country down that much, he ought
to resign.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 05:54 PM
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12. Now, THERE you go- that is something
that just might be a step towards healing this land.
Let's hear all the legislators call for that-

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:01 PM
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14. Morton, give me one good reason why I shouldn't hate bush.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:03 PM
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15. The very best thing...
.. for the National Security of this nation would be not having a delusional moron, George "Dubya" Bush, running it.

Hey Morton, glad to hear you've joined the Right Wing Noise Machine. How much are they paying you? Too bad it's not going to work this time. Americans have seen 5 years of unmitigated failure after unmitigated failure, you will not sway them with the same bullshit rhetoric they used to get us into these messes. Fuck you, traitor.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:05 PM
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16. Please know that we hate you too, Mort. n/t
n/t
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:05 AM
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29. amen. Mortimer, Morty old buddy, we really do hate you too. n/t
n/t
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:06 PM
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17. Bush hatred is not limited to just a few "whiners" in the USA, it's global
.
.
.

I'll bet there isn't one country in the Whole World that does not have groups of "Bush-haters" - and that extends itself to "USA-haters" I'm afraid

and that is DEFINITELY a threat to National Security, when there are factions in EVERY country that have hatred for the USA, mind you some MUCH more intense than others.

And with the diverse ethic makeup up the USA, when they kill innocents from some race or religious sector that has relatives/friends already in the USA

They are creating "terrorists" already on their own MAINLAND.

USA is in DEEP doo-doo if they do not have an about-face, a SERIOUS about-face in their foreign policy real soon.

They have superpower weapons, yeah, - but they have their forces extended all over the globe, reports claim they have bases and personnel in over 100 COUNTRIES!!

Russia and China do not . . .

They are mostly all sitting right in Russia and China, waiting . . . .

Beware messing around in Russia and China's back yard

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 07:45 PM
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18. Oh. I see. it's 'Bush hatred' that is causing leaks and not a response to
Bush's treasonous behavior.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 07:48 PM
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19. Stuff your bullshit up
your ass, morty.

The People who hate bush.. love their country and cannot stand what bush and his ilk(that means you) are doing to it.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:39 PM
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21. sounds like Stalin's line to me
or any dictator for that matter:

Your criticisms of my policies equals hatred. Your hatred is endangering national security.

Therefore, if you criticize the leader you are a traitor.

Kondracke is a tool.
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:42 PM
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22. The Neocons Are a Threat to National Security
And we, the "Bush-haters", are just trying to stop them from destroying this country. Sorry, Kondrake. Neocon propaganda doesn't work on me.

Tammy
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:50 PM
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24. If Bush hatred is a threat to national security then
I'm one dangerous person.

That's all these people know to say. Anything they don't like is a threat to national security. What tyrant ever neglected to say that?
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:33 PM
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25. Henny Penny the sky is falling.
Mort's a douchebag.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:35 PM
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26. GEORGE BUSH is a threat to national security! (n/t)
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:42 PM
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27. Slant head Hannity has been implying this for years.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:39 AM
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28. Unless they plan on locking up 70% of America,
I don't know how they're gonna enforce it. :shrug:
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:12 AM
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30. What a drama queen.
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:22 AM
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31. Morton Kondrake is now and always was a hack.

He graduated from the New Republic to Big Foot punditry and is now a second tier cottage industry unto himself.

The Hack Team has to say something as the ass has fallen out of the Bush Presidency -- this bullshit is no more or less preposterous than the idea that we needed to "catch up" to the Soviet Union's military might two decades ago; or the idea that we should "spread democracy" like fertilizer on the lawn of the middle east.

We could well be looking at martial law, a coup d'etat or civil war before Cheney ever relinquishes his stranglehold on the Federal Credit Card -- but the lame ass bullshit coming from the likes of Kondrake means nothing.

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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:22 AM
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32. Who is to say they aren't tapping Howard Dean?
Edited on Thu May-25-06 01:23 AM by OnionPatch
In fact, if I had to put money on it one way or the other, I'd have to bet they were.

If Bush hatred is a national security, we'd better get rid of him quick. :)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:43 AM
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33. Well, I don't hate him, not at all. I find him an object of derision, a
disgrace to everything to which our country aspires,

an inefficinet bumbler,

a nightmare of epic proportions, and

sombody who knows how to pay off idiot press quislings like

Morton "fucking" Kondracke

...and now, the only explanation for Kondracke's rantings above :evilgrin:

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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:00 AM
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34. I thought child-like unquestioning Love of Bush was
Edited on Thu May-25-06 05:01 AM by RobertSeattle
Gotta love those Fox News "Moderates".
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:09 AM
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35. Repugs divided the country for political gain, now it is coming back
to bite them. It is called karma time.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:22 AM
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36. Sounds to me that he makes a good case for getting rid of this
National Security threat ~

Problem: Bush hatred is a National Security Threat
Solution: Remove him and install either of the two legitimate presidents elected in 2000 or 2004.

He's getting close to being the spokesperson for the thought police.

They're getting desperate. Threatening to throw reporters in jail. Threatening to throw whistleblowers in jail. All that we know about their criminal behavior is probably just the tip of the iceberg ~ and they fear greatly the upcoming revelations of what we don't know.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:08 AM
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37. my email to the paper
In his piece "Bush-hatred a Threat to National Security," Morton Kondracke complains about bureaucrats leaking major intelligence secrets that undermine our ability to fight Islamic extremism. I couldn't help noticing his glaring omission in neglecting to mention the Bush administration's outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame. I suppose it's easier to write a good partisan rant if you don't let pesky details like facts obscure the point you're trying to make.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:59 AM
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38. my blog post
You are a traitor

How dare you read a blog that criticizes our President?

Morton Kondracke's column, "Bush-hatred a Threat to National Security," proves that you're an evil-doer if you can't learn to stop worrying and love the chimp:

Bush-hatred has reached such intensity that CIA officers and other bureaucrats are leaking major secrets about anti-terrorism policy and communications intelligence that undermine our ability to fight Islamic extremism.


Thank you Mr. Kondracke. Without your insight, I'd have never seen the wisdom of countering Islamic extemism by starting a three-way holy war in a previously sectarian country.

What right did I have to speak freely about this? What revolutionary manifesto made me think I could do so? How could I have been so un-American?

http://vastleft.blogspot.com/2006/05/you-are-traitor.html
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:01 AM
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39. I'll be darned! A literate Bob Boudalang!
Edited on Thu May-25-06 08:04 AM by Gman
Who'd a thunk it?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:04 AM
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40. The concept is twisted: Bush's policies are a threat to national security
And causing hatred with good reason.

That should be the headline.
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:20 AM
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41. Well I sure hate the sonofabitch!!!
I'm proud to say it, as proud as all the Republicans are who hated Clinton. But Ive got a whole lot more reason.
Morton Kondracke is one of the conservatives main buttboys. He's a sonofabitch too.
Luv the way the conservatives just love to dish it out but sure can't take it--the surest sign of chickenshit in the world
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:25 AM
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42. Get a clue, Mort. "CIA officers and other bureaucrats are leaking
major secrets" because they are horrified at what their government has become. They are doing their own "rising up" because there seems to be no mechanism to check this fascist dictatorship, and no representatives in Congress willing to take it on.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:11 AM
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51. On the money!
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:25 AM
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43. Sold!!! From now on, it'll mostly be Kondracke hatred.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:27 AM
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45. What about the hatred of Bush by the rest of the world?
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:46 AM
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47. I'm a Traitor?
Since when did we become a fascist state! Oh yeah when Bush stole the election in 2000. It's my right as an American to say what I want whenever I want. So go F yourself Morty. People in the Gov that have the Balls to stand up to King George have my utmost respect, and if he is so concerned about leaks that tell the american people the truth he should be even more concerned about leaks that out undercover CIA agents working to stop nuclear proliferation.

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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:05 AM
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61. Goddamn You!!!
Your fucking Alfred E Neuman - Dubya pic in your signature just snarfed the fuck outta me!!

Thanks for making me blow hot coffee thru my nose, asshole!! :)
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:24 AM
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72. Hi, Simplyb1980.
Welcome to the DU!:smoke: Your 'metamorphosis' photo of Bush and Alfred E. Neuman is great!
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:32 PM
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78. Thanks!
I hated to do that to Alfred but it was just to good.

Sorry I made you spew hot coffee Lib Grrrrl.:spray:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:51 AM
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50. Kondrake is a second-rate hack...
..and a compelte waste of skin...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:12 AM
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52. I thought Mort was the resident Dem on Faux News?
What happened?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:10 AM
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70. Someone said "hop" and he hopped. A Fox News Dem means 'patsy'
Maybe Kondracke's got a little bit of integrity left. It's possible, as we can certainly see signs that he is conserving his integrity instead of using it on the job. Most likely he's succombing to the peer pressure of working about Big Brother State right-wingers all the time and is starting to internalize their values. Criticism is dangerous; questioning your government is disloyalty; Only the guilty demand their civil rights.

Sure it's crazy, but all humans feel the need to conform to their peer groups
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:17 AM
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53. I do wish the emphasis was a WH policies-rather than the man-it would
tone down the shrillness at times. It realize it is difficult to separate.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:24 AM
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54. This administration has done SQUAT for "National Security"
Every single thing that this administration has done has undermined our National Security. He has blocked and impeded investigations into 9/11. He called off the troops in the hunt for Bin Laden. He has been busy wrecking the CIA & the FBI and the NSA in order to turn them to his political ends.

He has misused the military and the National Guard in the most shameful ways imaginable.

He has contributed like no one else in the history of the world to the recruitment of Muslims to radical Islamic Fundamentalism.

And WE'RE THE DANGER?!?!?!
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:45 AM
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69. Political coverups in the name of national security
nm
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:25 AM
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55. This is all you need to know about Morty's logic.......
"In fact, what seems to be happening, though the details are secret,"

Uhh, Morty, how can you say, "in fact," if the details are secret?

It is not a fact if you don't know the details, is it Morty?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:36 AM
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57. Morty, Morty, Morty...Can't wait to see your total support for Hillary
or any other Democrat that is in the White House come January 2009.
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 09:52 AM
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58. No...BUSH Is A Threat To National Security
Whose Administration was it, exactly, that leaked Valerie Plame? Hmmm...I don't think it was a Bush-hater that leaked Plame...

I don't think it was a Bush-hater who took their eyes off the prize (Osama) to pursue a war of opportunity (Iraq) against a country that had committed no aggression against us, and were no imminent threat.

I don't think it was a Bush-hater that caused the world to really begin to hate America, and see it as a bully...an imperialistc and opportunistic nation, by invading Iraq.

I don't think it was a Bush-hater who inflamed the Muslim world against us, by attacking Iraq, thus recruiting ever more young Muslim men to become terrorists and suicide bombers for al-Qaeda.

I don't think it was a Bush-hater who squandered the goodwill the rest of the world showed, felt, and expressed shortly after 9/11.

I don't think it was a Bush-hater who trashed our economy (which has, incidentally, caused a lot of people, with good reason, to become Bush-haters!!)

I don't think it was a Bush-hater who began spying on American citizens, treating them as if they were guilty till proven innocent, by violating the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and making an end-run around the FISA court.

Anyone wanna add to this list?
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:05 AM
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60. Bush can resolve this "problem" by resigning TODAY. n/t
n/t
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Shadoobie Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:28 AM
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63. There are 2 wars going on
One is the war against the terrorists who threaten our country. The other is for the soul of America. This administration is willing to lose the second war in order to "win" the first.

Greg
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:33 AM
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65. Bingo! And Kudos for expressing that idea so briefly.
nm
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:31 AM
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64. Is Mort demanding * resignation--wouldn't that solve HIS national attitude
whoas.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:35 AM
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66. Morton Kondracke, ick
How'd you like to wake up next to that every morning?
Who has sex with these guys, that's what I've been wondering.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:42 AM
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67. do the words bill clinton and impeachment ring a bell!!!
ding ding ding ding!!!!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:44 AM
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68. It's almost satire. He says DON'T criticize Bush then lays out case FOR it
As you read the article, he's more or less laying out the case in favor of criticizing Bush--the pointless illegal programs, the torture centers, the inherent superiority of our system that allows for dissent. I wonder if he's writing under "orders" to make this case and is doing an intentionally bad job of it.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:29 AM
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73. Hey, we're just following the RW's example
8 years of pure, unmitigated, frenzied and ultimately unfounded HATRED of Bill Clinton.

Is he saying it's wrong to hate any president - or just this one?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:50 AM
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74. There is an important point about all this.
1st: if Mr. Kondracke has realized that Bush-hatred has reached such a point where even government employees are suspect. Think about that for a moment: Bush is besieged from all corners: 1 billion muslims would love to see him go over a cliff. When Bush went to Italy a few years ago, he had a security staff of about 5,000. For Christ sake, are there even that many hotel rooms in Rome?

It's no secret: the man is the most violently hated 'leader' in history.

Now when you have government employees added to that list, we have entered a new realm. These are people whose paychecks come from Uncle Sam. Normally, they would be very conservative when it comes to keeping their jobs. If they're doing this, it means that the whole system is falling apart before our eyes.

An administration which is this threatened can not govern. All they can do is assure their own survival.
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Buddyblazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 12:55 PM
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75. "I'M TAKING MY BALL AND I'M GOIN' HOME!!!"
Mother f'er can dish out, but he can't take it. What a wussy.

How completely out of touch do you have to be to believe that this war is comparable to WWII?
:wtf:
And if you want to compare how the execution of both wars was handled, in consideration to this one, I've seen monkey shit fights in the zoo that were more organized.
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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:29 PM
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77. America's biggest and most urgent problem at this time is Bush. Kondracke
just doesn't get it yet.
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 02:08 PM
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79. what an awful reactionary analysis; since when is violating the 4th
amendment or the FISA statutes synonymous without breaking the enemies code. What a fucking idiot.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:13 PM
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81. Kondracke is a right-wing nut job wacko, who cares what he thinks.

maybe his psychiatrist.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:12 PM
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91. unfortunately, other RW nuts, and ditto heads that vote....that's why
we should care and refute his BS!
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 03:23 PM
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82. Whatever it takes to get this bunch out of office, should be done.
Bush is more of a threat to our national security than anyone else I can think of, and it's time for a leader with intelligence and even a smidgeon of diplomacy to run this great nation. We've proven that electing (wink, wink) an idiot boy-man is a stupid and dangerous idea.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:35 PM
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84. as if cheney's leak was not a threat to national security.
In fact it was treason. Impeachment is mandatory.
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svpadgham Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:21 PM
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85. I was reading the column
and hoping for a puchline or something. Sadly, one didn't come. Apparently this guy isn't a big fan of Benjamin Franklin. I can't believe what some people are willing to give up to be "safe." I wonder, if the CIA/FBI/NSA and all those acronyms decided that the best way for us to combat terrorism was to seal all free people in underground complexes, then would guys like this be all like, "Hell Yeah! Lock me away for safe keeping!"
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LiberalMandrake Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:02 PM
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87. Damit!! This is the second television I have smashed listening to the bull
Damit!! This is the second television I have smashed listening to the bullshit come out of bushies face!
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:07 PM
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88. I have to admit.....
there is something gratifying about one of these conservatives finally admitting in print that the Republicans tried to destroy President Clinton.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:46 PM
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92. that and "skirting" law (breaking law) and the possibility of abuse
no shit. and not abuse the way the paper suggests. there are many other ways to abuse this and we the people need assurance that it will not be. bush cant be trusted to not committ abuses.

i was tlaking ot right wingers about this article. they tell me the point is that we shouldnt be pissed at bush, we should be pissed at the leaker.

hey all, does this sound familiar.

firstly bush isnt to blame for the anger it is the hate bush people

secondly let the media tell us who we are suppose to be pissed at cause we cant figure it out ourselve. so rove....
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:51 PM
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89. Wow. Pro-torture, pro-warrantless-wiretapping guy irate about "bushhating"
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 10:02 PM
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90. I'm so sick of this Sh*t!! He assumes that Bush is...
Edited on Thu May-25-06 10:09 PM by BREMPRO
trustworthy... what ever gave him that idea? The reason people (real courageous whistle blowers) are leaking this info to the press is because what the NSA and CIA et al are doing is ILLEGAL and NOT protecting us. They work in institutions that now have party loyalty oaths and no recourse for illegal or incompetent activity except leaks. What the leakers are trying to do is protect us from further undermining our credibility in the world, and our civil liberties at home. These people are risking their careers to protect us...more than i could say for Bush- if he wants to protect us he should resign and get out of the way so competent people can run this country.
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tired of the right Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:57 PM
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93. Yes, let's just give all our freedoms away.
It must be the patriotic thing to do. GWB says so!:eyes:
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 06:56 AM
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95. Walking and Chewing Gum at Same Time = Threat to National Security
Oh my goodness some of these people are so stupid. This guy compares printing the the facts to how the military had broken Japenese and German codes to putting out that the CIA was illegally wiretapping the phones of American citizens. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. The press has never come close to putting out any information about what the military is doing that could actually end the war in Iraq. We should all look back at what happened to Geraldo Rivera when he decided to draw troop movement in the sand. Within a matter a days he was taken out of Iraq. The equivalent of printing that the military had broken Japenese and German codes would be the news media giving the locations of American bases in Iraq and telling people how to attack those bases. In addition, this guy lies about what the CIA and NSA was actually doing. The CIA and NSA were not "intercepting international terrorist communications". The CIA and NSA were wiretapping the phone calls of American citizens who were not suspected of any terrorist involvement. At first they tried to say they were only tapping calling that were made either from outside the US or to a phone outside the US, but then they admitted that they were tapping both call from inside the US that were made to people in the US while also tapping the phone calls coming from outside the US.
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