Curious: Any DUer here who DOESN'T believe in machine fraud issue?

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Wondering if the Rolling Stone article changed your mind.

[NoPasaran]

1. I believe it exists

I don't blame it for every defeat we suffer as some folks do.

[Awsi Dooger]

2. The machines should help us in the long run

That was the conventional wisdom post 2000 and it still makes sense. No overvotes. No undervotes, unless intentional. Speed and ease of use.

I almost always default to early evaluation and it has served me well.

And I'd love to wager we've lost more votes and elections via punch cards than Diebold or its kin.

Obviously I want paper trails and verified software and other checkpoints. But I'm much more terrified of the Blackwell method of purged votes through low tech scams than any fear of machines.

[applegrove]

3. Like the article states.. there were many ways that the vote was

suppressed. I'm worried about all of it. Also too - the fact that in mostly Repuke places.. polls were less accurate than in mostly Dem electoral districts.. could be freepers are big fat liars when it comes to polls. Kennedy reaches conclusions from that are a fallacy. He avoids the inaccuracy of the freeper response. And moves on.. without addressing the alternative.. If areas that were strong Repuke districts.. and exit polls were off by 10%? that amount stills gets added up area by area and state by state and goes to a national total that gives Kerry a win.. when he doesn't have one. So - those heavily Repuke districts that were 10% off - that could just mean.. more liars available. And the lie (the exit polls giving Kerry a win) gets transmitted across the internet and airways as part of the grand total.

I believe a huge number of Dems had their vote suppressed by over-optimistic polls - stating Kerry had won, hand over fist, so people coming home from work may not have voted with as much fever as they had in the morning. As opposed to taking the day off and voting early which only rich people could do. Or the fire that would be lit under the fat asses of fat cat repukes. Lying polls do both eh? but only if they favour Kerry.

Only 65% of Americans vote in any given election. How high would it have been if Kerry had not been given a win by 2PM in the afternoon?

Maybe it would have been 70&? Or more. Those extras would be mostly Dems.

What percentage of Dems vote after 4PM? And when they did - did they then face all the other types of tricks (too few machines, billigerant freeper poll workers, etc.).

I think that is why the MSM is so quiet. They were greatly diminished by reporting exaggerated polls were they not?

Meanwhile.. conservative activist in Canada is constantly going to the supreme court to get the strict "BlackOUT" laws.. election night.. time zone by time zone... overturned.

I believe that in the USA.. Dems need to encourage all manner of early voting. And anticipate how things could be fooled with.. come up with "the best way to vote plan in each separate electoral district... and educate that local population". So too - everyone should be out who has a car volunteering in all free time to drive people to be registered to vote and the like. It may take months and months of 90 hour weeks for you all. But that is what I would do.

Look at the election laws in your area. And find the best way to vote. And teach it to one and all.