This is a perverted sex thread

[Stinky The Clown]

I was driving SparklyJr to work today and listening to WTOP, the DC all news radio station.

In the course of my ten minute drive back, after I'd dropped her and turned the radio volume back up, I heard these stories:

El Fuquad's radio address summary - activist judges and gay sex.

A story about the abstinence pledges our hypocritical Republican friends seem to love so much ... and how they're routinely broken, how kids lie before taking the pledge and deny having taken said pledge after they get real and start the normal human process of boinking.

A story about the ineffectiveness of teaching abstinence in schools as a way to prevent STDs.

A 'retrospective' on the Clintons' marriage.

In between these clearly important stories I learned it will be a nice day tomorrow and that the Orioles and Nationals won ... or lost ... or whatever. And I learned where the traffic jams were.

As I was turning the car off, they started a story on sex in prisons.

My head exploded.

When in the living FUCK will this country come to grips with the following two facts?

1 - People fuck.

2 - People masturbate.

Its what people DO.

Its not all they do, but it IS what they do.

A`rape is news. That matters. A lot.

Child molestation matters. A WHOLE lot.

Sexual predators are a story we all need to know about.

But I am more than sick and fucking tired at hearing the cluck cluck clucking around NORMAL sex.

In the Stinky the Clown Book Of Life, sex between consenting adults - in any goddamned combination said consenting adults wish to engage in - is NORMAL.

Clown to America: PEOPLE FUCK. DEAL WITH IT.

The Gay Marriage Ban is a sexual perversion.

Stupid 'pledges' against a normal act is perverted.

Teaching an impossibly unworkable solution to a real problem is a perverted sexual practice.

Sniffing crotches of past presidents and jailbirds is a perverted sexual act.

I HATE Sexual Perverts.

[LeftyMom]

1. nominated!

:yourock:

[wakeme2008]

2. While I normally would agree with you

If * is fucking around on pickles, then I want all that news. The is nothing worse than an hypocrite.

[Nimrod2005]

3. Fuckin' beautiful - I agree 100%. Well said...

"PEOPLE FUCK. DEAL WITH IT."

I will be using this to sort out some issues with some people!

[blondeatlast]

42. It'd be a great bumper sticker, wouldn't it? nt

[Nimrod2005]

56. I'd buy one and smartly display it...

[JeffR]

4. #5

Now if you'll scuse me, I have to go have me some sex.

[kiahzero]

5. Give it time

50 years ago, you couldn't even depict married couples sleeping in the same bed on TV. Eventually, people will figure out that they don't need to "protect" their children from exposure to something that's simply a part of human existance.

Until then... try Washington Post radio (WTOP's old frequency). WTOP is like the "Headline News" of radio.

[KyndCulture]

6. Oh if only I had a car to put that sticker on..

"PEOPLE FUCK. DEAL WITH IT."


I would totally do it!

[MADem]

7. When you look at the time spent on thinking about, talking about,

and wondering about the sex act (who's doing whom? What's this one's orientation? ) and compare it with the TIME people actually SPEND (stars of naughty movies and Viagra addicts excepted) doing "the deed" there's only one conclusion to come to: it's MUCH ado about something that doesn't occupy the majority of most people's time.

Of course, it is enjoyable, and we do like to think about enjoyable things. Hell, though, ice cream is enjoyable, and we don't talk about that all day...but damn, if we did, the GOP would find something EVIL in it, now, wouldn't they? Rip that Rocky Road from your perverted grasp!!! Mustn't enjoy yerself TOO MUCH, now! Ice cream abstinence for the young!

I say we make BEETS the NEW SEX. I fucking HATE BEETS; can't eat them, cannot bear to look at them, no matter how they are prepared. That way, the GOP would find something wrong with them, outlaw them, sneer at the beet eaters, suggest future hellfire and brimstone for those letting beets pass their lips, and then, I'd be on the side of a conservative on one issue, anyway...it's always handy to have a bridge issue to convince the other team of your sincerity when slapping the crap out of them!!!

Everyone likes to THINK, in their own private mind, that they are a sixty minute man/Donna Summeresque hot stuff, but the truth of the matter is, most aren't on the average day. And that's fine. Be all that you can be, but hell, we sure don't need to hear about it 24/7!

If every person who thinks about, as one of my late, elderly relatives called it (WHISPERED) "Essssss-EEEEEEEE-Ex" would simply devote one-one hundredth of that time thinking about, say, global warming, instead, we'd probably have this climate change thing whipped in no time!!!

We can only hope that the ESSS EEEE EX (whispered, mind you) will eventually get talked to death by these insane conservative pantywadded nitwits, like the details of teen idols who, as they get older, fade from view. Maybe when they finally figure out how it's done, they'll get over themselves. Then we can go back to doing it like we always have done, and cease discussing it ad infinitum.

[Sparkly]

10. "Esss Eeee Ex"

:rofl:

[MADem]

13. WHISPERED, mind you!!!!!

And for added effect, look with startled eyes to your right and your left, to be sure there are no CHILDREN ABOUT!!!

Of course, this was the generation who never talked about ANYTHING openly...hell, even cancer was a whispered "CEEEEEE"--as though spelling it out kept it at bay.

[AspenRose]

79. "never talked about anything openly...."

I remember as a child getting in trouble because I said a woman was pregnant instead of "expecting."

You NEVER said someone was PREGNANT. It was always some other code word.

Sheesh.

We are way too uptight about things that are normal.

[MADem]

82. Ah, the old "bun in the oven" or "expecting the stork's visit!!!"

And of course, anything to do with anyone's fiddly bits was TOTALLY off the table.

I remember as a small child, overhearing one aunt note that another rather melodramatic aunt was "going through the change" and for the longest time, I suspected that she was a werewolf!!!!

[immoderate]

12. What? No borscht?

On a hot summer day? Mmmm! (Well it may not photograph well.:shrug:)

--IMM

[MADem]

14. No borscht for you...ya commie perv librul!!!!!!!

See, there's the case made for me!!! It's the SOUP OF STALIN!!! :rofl:

[immoderate]

17. You never heard the song, "Borscht in the USA"?

It was a hit!

--IMM

[IronLionZion]

20. Aha you are a beet bigot! report to sensitivity training!

j/k

:silly:

wingnuts are obsessed with sex because they don't get enough of it and are perverts. They are obsessed with gay sex because.... Straight people don't spend that much time thinking about it. Homophobes like Michael Savage and Fred Phelps always have the most graphic descriptions of gay sex acts. It makes you wonder how they know so much about it or why they think about it so much....:think:

[MADem]

22. Nooo, I am JUSTIFIED in my hatred of beets!

As a child, back in the dark ages, when school lunches INCLUDED things like beets, the horrific lunch lady ignored my entreaties to SKIP THE BEETS. To my dismay, I watched, crushed, as my beloved, eagerly awaited and anticipated mashed potatoes were turned a grisly, inedible PINK by the juice of the wicked beets. I was not comforted by the mystery cutlet, that escaped the bulk of the beet juice, but that ghastly sight stays with me to this very day. I still have nightmares!

We need to get Newt Gingrich on this beet thing, the sooner, the better! Beets are wicked, and they frighten small children! Away with them, they're a scourge on civilized society!

[IronLionZion]

25. Oh so you want to separate the beets then? keep them out of your schools?

You couldn't stand seeing beets in YOUR school, in YOUR lunch could you? You just have to keep the beets down because they are different. Because YOU don't like "their kind" mixing with YOUR precious mashed potatoes. Yeah OK Strom....bring it up to the grand imperial cyclops at the next rally.

This reminds me of that comedian who was getting fustrated at the laundromat and started cursing out coloreds. How if you throw 1 white in with a bunch of coloreds, it gets ruined. If you throw 1 colored in with a bunch of whites they all get ruined. You just have to separate your whites and coloreds and that's why I'm running for governor!

I knew Boston had bigotry problems but you too?

:silly:

[MADem]

69. I have NO problem with the carrots, the celery, the squash, the

tomatoes (though they technically are a fruit), or any other vegetable cozying up to the mashed potatoes...they're entirely welcome, bring 'em on! It's just the BEETS--maybe it's their parents, they were raised wrong, or something. No other vegetable is so damned aggressive with the mashed potatoes--they are the untrained, unleashed Rottweillers of the vegetable patch!!!!!

It's a free speech and association, issue, certainly. The rights of the beets END where the rights of the mashed potatoes begin!!!

[EST]

33. As a kid, I just loved pickled beets, they meant a lot more

to me than sex, although I knew pretty much all about sex. After all pickled beets did something for me that sex never could--they turn your poop black and that was sooo cool!

[PegDAC]

71. I used to help my mom in the summer

Put up beets out of our garden. Hers were the only ones I could eat, because she served them right out of the refrigerator. :9 I absolutely HATE cooked beets! :puke:

[EST]

74. Me too!

A laundry washtub full at at a time (don't remember the tub size number, now) on a mud and rock outdoor fireplace, made anew each fall.
I got exposed to those goddawful buttered beets in the cafeteria, my first year of junior high. Those things have some sort of chemical, I suppose, that jumps straight for the nausea nerve when they hit your mouth.

I was straightening up the basement about three months ago when I ran across a dusty quart of pickled beets that my wife and I canned in 1994!

They were not quite as firm as I would have liked, but, served chilled, right out of the fridge, they were still quite good.

[Lib Grrrrl]

37. I Second You On The Beets Thing

Beets ARE disgusting. To me, they taste like dirt. Literally, that is exactly what they taste like...dirt.

But I'm also asexual. Okay, I guess that makes me weird, but, in all honesty, I really have an absolutely ZERO sex drive.

But, I'm sure not gonna try and stop anyone else from fucking. Just don't do it around me, and don't tell me about it, really, because I don't want to know. Have a good time boinking, but I'll pass, thanks.

[BR_Parkway]

52. That school needs a Beets/Mashed potato Alliance - start a club like that

and Dobson, Falwell and all the high wingers will pounce on it, denounce it and preach against how the Beet Agenda is forcing their perverted roots upon our poor schoolchildren.

[Sparkly]

8. If I weren't married to this particular clown, I'd say ...

... that I LOVE this re-definition of "perversion."

C.S. Lewis wrote (in "Mere Christianity") that if our culture considered meat perverse or obscene or otherwise worthy of censorship (I can't recall his words exactly), there'd be smokey bars full of people viewing meat presented on a raised platform, paying money to druel and salivate and fantasize about it.

I so agree with the OP (despite its author): sniffing at consensual sex among adults is the true definition of PERVERSE!

That goes to consensual, adult, honest, uncoerced exchanges of money for sex, as well.

As Stinky said so bluntly (he's nothing if not blunt): PEOPLE FUCK. DEAL WITH IT.

I'd say: God made us horny.

And as Alice Walker wrote in The Color Purple, "I think it pisses God off if you walk by the color purple in a field somewhere and don't notice it."

God gave us the color purple.

[kiahzero]

19. I have a question:

I so agree with the OP (despite its author): sniffing at consensual sex among adults is the true definition of PERVERSE!

What if the consenting adults consent to the sniffing?

:evilgrin:

[Sparkly]

23. I never limited the number of consenting adults involved.

Just sayin'.

And only sayin' cause you asked.

Hypothetically, there could be adults consenting to sex and sniffing, without it being perverse.

Just sayin'.

Hypothetically!

[kiahzero]

27. Outstanding!

:)

[Warren DeMontague]

41. 'course, CS Lewis was a little blind as to the SOURCE of that cultural

mental illness that considers sex perverse or otherwise obscene.

AFAIC, it came from his own "Mere Christianity"

[hfojvt]

51. he made the analogy a little bit different

Chapter 5 Sexual Morality of Part III Christian Behaviour

He concluded that it was not the prohibition or the calling it obscene that made viewing it such a thrill. Quite the opposite, it was the obsession that was obscene.

"There is nothing to be ashamed of in enjoying your food: there would be everything to be ashamed of if half the world made food the main interest of their lives and spent their time looking at pictures of food and dribbling and smacking their lips."

Then he continues:

"I do not say you and I are individually responsible for our present situation. Our ancestors have handed over to us organisms which are warped in this respect: and we grow up surrounded by propaganda in favor of unchastity. There are people who want to keep our sex instinct inflamed in order to make money out of us. Because, of course, a man with an obsession is a man who has very little sales resistance."

[FSogol]

9. You're braver than me. I can only stand WTOP for about 5 minutes. n/t

[uppityperson]

11. I hate that violence is ok but consensual sex isn't.

LOTR was way too violent for me, yet show simulated sex act between 2 consenting adults and people freak out.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. I could not agree more .......

.... and could easily do a whole new rant on that topic.

[Lib Grrrrl]

39. George Carlin Beat you To It

He said, a long time ago, in one of his acts..."I'd rather my child watch a movie about two people making love to one another...rather than two people trying to KILL one another! But I'd like to take it a step further...i'd like to replace the word 'kill' with the word 'fuck' in all those old movie cliches we grew up with...

Okay, Sherriff, we're gonna fuck ya now! But we're gonna fuck ya slow!

Easy on the clutch, Bill, you'll fuck the engine!

Fuck the ump! Fuck the ump! Fuck the ump!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Sparkly]

18. Right there with you!!!

That's one of the first things that came to my mind when H2S mentioned this post to me.

Why is sex lumped in with violence, as a category in age ratings or appropriateness in general?

Isn't it weird how the two have become convoluted?

Personally, I never had a problem with my daughter seeing people making LOVE in movies; but violence was another matter (and there's plenty of violence in things considered child-appropriate).

There was only one TV show I actually forbade her watching: "Married With Children." There were so many stereotypes in that show, I couldn't stand her little mind grappling with them. (The one show my parents forbade us watching: "Lost in Space." They were concerned it'd give us nightmares! My older sisters mounted a protest -- just getting wings for later protests -- and they relented.)

Anyway, I've always been perplexed by the adjectives applied to pornographic images of women's bodies: "filth," "smut," "dirty," etc. Hello? Half the population has those same body parts?! Wanna clarify that?

Instead, women's natural body parts are lumped into the same category as "violence."

I think our culture has a real need to separate normal sex, and the nature of women, from violence. We're incredibly screwed up about that.

[blondeatlast]

44. So very sadly true. Amen, sister, amen.

I think our culture has a real need to separate normal sex, and the nature of women, from violence. We're incredibly screwed up about that.

And it seems to be getting worse, not better.

Why not "sex and stupid comedy? Sex and bad writing?"

The comparisons are just as valid as the "sex and violence" meme--and that is all it is, a meme.

[hfojvt]

50. except the OP did not say "making love"

He said fu$%.

Is there no difference?

"Until recently, propriety demanded the use of the verb 'to make love' and this delicacy was not without purpose. It was meant to remind us - to teach us, or at least allow us to be taught - that whereas human copulation can be physically indistiguishable from animal copulation generally, it ought to be marked by the presence of a passion of which other animals are incapable."

Also, I was kinda surprised by the Catholic villages I studied in Deutschland, although it was not Deutschland at the time but the Holy Roman Empire. Women rarely married before the age of 20, and illegitimate babies were rare. This is in marked contrast to colonial America, Puritans in the 1600s where girls got married at 16, 17 or 18, typically before the age of 20 and often the first child was, shall we say, 'premature'.

Finally, it seems to me that the OP calls it a 'perversion' for someone to be concerned about consensual sex that their SO is having with other people.

[blondeatlast]

58. Why does it bother YOU that maybe I, well, fuck?

You may not like what me and Mr. BAL do in the bedroom (we aren't the average married couple) but its, pardon the shouting here, none of YOUR business--or at least it shouldn't be.

The point is, if you are thinking about someone else's possible consensual kinks--you're perverted too, not just Mr. and Mrs., or Mr. and Mr., or Mrs. and Mrs. Not-So-Straight-and-Narrow.

And because Americans seem irrationally hung up on what others do behind closed doors with consenting adults, we, as a nation are terribly perverted.

People do make love--and some others, consensually, have, well, what's not so removed from animal sex. The fact that you may be bothered by it should be irrelevant--get your mind on something else.

Possibly one of the biggest barriers to civil rights for gays, IMHO, is that far too many people think about what gays may be doing behind closed doors and can't put it out of their minds--so they think they can legislate it away.

Let me paraphrase his offending line here:

People make love, have sex, fuck, etc.
Try not to think about it if it bothers you.

[hfojvt]

68. what YOU do or do not do

does not bother me, except insofar as we are old friends and I have a certain concern about the happiness of my friends.

The concern involved in the quote I posted is with magazines, films, books, and television which is selling certain ideas about love and sex - encouraging, in the first place, an obsession with it, and in the second place encouraging promiscuity and sex-centered relationships. Not only does that impact the society I live in, but is also something I consider as an amateur sociologist and voter.

[immoderate]

15. You got it right. Sex is what people do.

Or else where would we be?

I always thought it was ludicrous that we had to "protect the children." Never was there a good answer to my question, "Why what would happen?"

Good post, Stinky!

--IMM

[kiahzero]

28. They might not build up a proper amount of fear towards it

Didn't you know you're not a proper American unless your first sexual experience is awkward and uncomfortable, followed up by a feeling of shame and remorse?

Keep in mind - you're talking about people who started from the position that sex is inherantly a disgusting act and should only be undertaken to continue the species. Ironically, it's that very position that led to the early Christian church holding same-sex companionate marriage to be a sacrament (long before opposite-sex marriage was).

[Warren DeMontague]

43. Wow. I guess that explains my un-American-ness.

Hey, when I lost my virginity it wasn't any great shakes, but it certainly wasn't overly awkward or uncomfortable. And I sure as hell wasn't shameful or remorseful afterwards.

[blondeatlast]

62. Get thee to...

someplace they have room for pervs like you.

I bet the reason you didn't feel awkward and shamed is that you didn't use the missionary position.

Pervs like you must be exiled.

:sarcasm: in case it isn't apparent to some.

[nashville_brook]

21. control the sex and control the WORLD (or so the mouth-breathers think)

it's been a LONG time since deconstructive feminism in college -- but you can bet your sweet boinking ass that this all boils down to good old patriarchal bullshit. different decade. different vocabulary. same old song and dance.

[elehhhhna]

24. Uh, it's AlFuquad. Carry on.

[MadMaddie]

26. Brilliant!!!!

You couldn't have said it better....

[wildeyed]

29. Yep.

But apparently we are a long way from dealing with that in this country.

I recently read a longish article in the NYT magazine about how many of the non-Catholic anti-choice people now want to ban birth control because it is somehow counter to a "culture of life". I am married eight years now, happily, with two kids finally out of diapers, and now they want to come around and take my birth control? Noooooo! These people are not just against premarital sex, they are against ALL sex, even the married, hetero variety. They are also batshit crazy.

The conclusion of this article was that, as a country, we are not yet ok with the idea of people having sex, and that countries that have decided that sex is ok do a much better job at preventing STDs and unplanned pregnancies than we do.

For instance, Netherlands has some of the lowest STD and abortion rates on the planet. They have a systematic sex education system that teaches simultaneous use of a condom and the pill. It works. the statistics bear this out. Yet we continue with this BS abstinence only system that is clearly ineffective, and to obsess about the sex lives of consenting adults.

How I hate ideologues and prudes.

[kiahzero]

30. It makes sense, really

There's no way to effectively deal with the negative consequences of sex if you have a worldview that doesn't see it as inherantly evil.

Another example of this is the ongoing discussion over the HPV vaccine. There's no medical reason for it not to be mandatory - just a concern that it might let people have sex with less repercussions (because somehow that's a bad thing).

[wildeyed]

31. I have a repub girl friend who has the HPV thing,

She is in some danger of developing cervical cancer as a result. I want to say to her, "See what you vote for? They don't care if you die of cervical cancer. All they care about is their sick ideology". But I have been biting my tongue so hard it bleeds over that one. She also did the re-virgination thing where she had as much premarital sex as she wanted, then two months before she got married she cut her fiance off and pronounced herself re-viginated. :rofl:

[Lib Grrrrl]

40. No, You're Completely MISSING THE POINT!!

THEY WANT SEX TO HAVE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES!! That is why so little is spend on sex education, and STD prevention and treatment, etc. See, if you get an STD, you deserved it, because you did an inheretly evil act...you..(gasp!!) had SEX!! You deserved it...it's God's punishment for the wicked!

Don't you understand this?

Quite frankly, part of the reason I'm asexual is because of all the fear about STD's, particularly AIDS...I got so fucking scared of it...that sex never did appeal to me...and never has!! I've been too fucking afraid of it! The few times I HAVE had sex in my life...mostly because the other person talked me into it...I spent the next several days, weeks, sometimes even months obsessing over what kind of diseases I might have gotten, and was scared to death all the time that, "oh, God...maybe that person had AIDS and I didn't know it, and now I'm gonna get it...and I'm gonna die...."

Jesus...no WONDER people are fucked up!! I am, to this day...fucked up from the scare bullshit they taught us in school back in the early-mid 1980's. Fact is, i'm scared shitless. This is why I have no sex drive, I'm too fucking scared of sex!!

[kiahzero]

47. Don't let them win

Seriously.

Quite frankly, part of the reason I'm asexual is because of all the fear about STD's, particularly AIDS...I got so fucking scared of it...that sex never did appeal to me...and never has!! I've been too fucking afraid of it! The few times I HAVE had sex in my life...mostly because the other person talked me into it...I spent the next several days, weeks, sometimes even months obsessing over what kind of diseases I might have gotten, and was scared to death all the time that, "oh, God...maybe that person had AIDS and I didn't know it, and now I'm gonna get it...and I'm gonna die...."

Find someone you love, go get tested together, and enjoy yourself. Don't let the right-wingers terrorize you out of a healthy sex life.

[Lib Grrrrl]

48. It Has Nothing To Do With The Right-Wingers

Find someone you love, go get tested together, and enjoy yourself.
That won't do. How the hell do I know that HE isn't cheating?? And then bringing home strange fucking diseases? Don't you see the problem?

If I can't keep 24-hour surveillance on him, then I can't trust him, and I can't be SURE he isn't bringing home diseases that will KILL ME!!


Sex literally has NO ENJOYMENT for me whatsoever, because of the terror it holds instead.

See, I don't WANT a sex life, because I'm scared to death of it...or, more accurately, scared OF death from it!!

My fear and terror that are so deep oin my psyche they will likely never be removed...long ago took away any joy sex may ever have had for me. I have never enjoyed it.

In my case, they probably already won. I'm too damaged at this point.

My point in writing was to show what can happen to someone who is indoctrinated in a fear-based, abstininece-only environment like I was. My point was to show just how fucked up this kind of teaching can make someone.
So that, hopefully, someone else will be spared the terror, the anguish, the total lack of wanting any form of intimate relations with anyone or anything...that I have.

Fact is, I don't love anyone, i'm very much a loner. I've always kept those kinds of relationships at arm's length. For me, a healthy sex life is no longer possible.

That is the point of why I wrote what I did. I wanted to showcase how fucked up the sort of teaching advocated by the abstinence-only morons can make a person.

I grew up on a diet of fear in my most impressionable years. I still remember the films...

Voiceover: Who has he been sleeping with?
Girl: I don't know
Voiceover: Does he have sexually-transmitted diseases?
Girl: I don't know
voiceover: How many sex partners has he had?
Girl: I don't know

Voiceover: AIDS, a sexually-transmitted disease, has killed millions of people and is spreading.

Voiceover: What is the cure for AIDS?
Doctor: I don't know.

Fade out.

THAT is the shit I grew up on. It scared the FUCK out of me. Literally.

[kiahzero]

49. Wow...

I'm sorry. Nothing else to really say about it other than that.

[pooja]

55. I have grown up with this too

At first it was the "gay" disease... But it has been pounded into our lives (in the 80's and 90's) AIDS will kill you. SEX MEANS DEATH. After that it was either fear of the unkown or might as well die happy.

On an aside: I think that there is a lot of pressure on girls in particular to have sex before they may be ready. For me it was a little easy. I had friends who had sex, didn't experience and orgasm and say really I wish I hadn't even bothered. I had a small town so the selection of men was small. And I had a mother who looked at sex in a different way. I was never unaware where babies came from. At 5 my mom got out the anatomy book and explained the difference between men and women. She also had a different perspective on sex. She said with sex comes responsibility. You must be ready to accept all the responsibilities of becoming an adult. I can honestly say at 16 and 17 I was more occupied with getting out of my small town and going to college to care about any little mistakes or diseases. At the same time I was not exactly a prude. I dated people who were 4 or 5 yrs older than me. And I never had the pressure from any of them to have sex. The funniest thing I found out was that because I usually dated the older croud... I was labeled as a slut. And then my senior year, I heard the sophomores saying... you're turning 16 soon. have you decided who you want to lose it to yet. I looked at them and said "why do you have to lose it, that is so dumb. I'm still a virgin and believe me I've had more orgasms than my friends who are having sex."

I eventually lost it in college to a good man. I'm glad I waited. Maybe I am the only virgin I have heard of actually having an orgasm the first time. I guess when you know the other persons hot spots so well, its just easier to get there when you actually do.

What does worry me is that peer pressure is really huge to "lose it". I think girls and boys need to know that it is ok to wait if they aren't ready and that it doesn't mean they are something less.

All of the men I have had deep relationships with were men who had waited longer than I suppose the avg. they were multi-talanted. Maybe taking time to learn the body through kissing, licking, whatever makes a better lover because you pay more attention to the body than the actual intercourse. Oh, I think my generation also doesn't view oral sex as real sex. Its a really nice diversion from the actual event. Guess Bill doesn't either (ha ha)

[blondeatlast]

59. I want to slap America up the side of the head and say "Think of

the children, dammit!"

You make some good points re: "losing it."

Instead of (admitted;y) impatiently awaiting what can be a marvelous experiece, it seems most children just want to "get it over with" since "everyone else is doing it."

That's a very unhealthy attitude toward such a wonderful part of our lives.

We've made it a "naughty" thing, so 16 year olds want to do "it" (they seem to avoid the word like the plague)--like smoking or drivng too fast or drinking.

Yet every one of those activities carry huge risks that the 16 year old (or younger) can't comprehend the possible bad consequences of.

I think teaching abstention is a MARVELOUS thing--as long as it is partnered with teaching ways to avoid the devastating complications when a wonderful thing like sex goes awry, as it does all too often with children who engage in it.

(btw, I was in my twenties, too, and my first time was wonderful)

[pooja]

65. When I was abroad

The drinking age was lower, kids were allowed to go out into the evening and drank in moderation. When we had our homestay's it was probably the most interesting. We were in Spain. Everywhere we went there seemed to be beautiful people, crazy clubs, naked advertising... and then we found out most of the kids our age didn't have sex. Even the "coupled kids". They didn't drink themselve into oblivion. Their closets weren't full of clothes worn once, there wasn't a t.v. in every room, most afternoons were spent doing school work and hanging out at the park. Is it a wonder why they fit into those tiny little jeans...

[silvertip]

78. Asexual

    There are many forms of sex totally without any physical
contact that can be quite pleasurable if approached with the
proper mind set.

[Lib Grrrrl]

81. Really?

explain, please.

It's the physical contact that scares me...because that is how diseases are transmitted.

[silvertip]

85. Yes really

   No one is that naive, don't pull my chain.Find a toy!

[2QT2BSTR8]

32. K&R! Extremely power piece - thank you!

[eallen]

34. When I opened this post, I was expecting something a tad more ... fun.

You're right, of course.

But.. shouldn't you post pictures, or something?

:hippie:

[Stinky The Clown]

36. You want dirty, perverted pictures?? ........ here ya go ......

[blondeatlast]

45. That has no redeemable social value whatsoever. Obscene, obscene!

Why can't we slap a rating on that that would require my son to show ID to see it?

Hmm? Anyone?

[iamthebandfanman]

35. i think

that masturbation should be taught as a method to avoid sex.

i think its good to teach abstinence, so long as its for good logical reasons and not because God said so...lol.

[LiberalPartisan]

38. Seen O'Reilly lately?

He's managed to shoehorn a reference about child molestation and deviant sexual behavior in to each of his shows last week. It was really perverse.

[PittPoliSci]

46. Great post!

[Tsiyu]

53. Alerting

NO sex threads! ;)







C'mon!!!!! I want to live in my dream world where EVERYONE is an inhibited, mentally anguished fundy struggling with his or her own states of sexual arousal.

I want to pretend that sex doesn't even exist when it comes to talking to my kids!

I want to obsess about what everyone else is doing with their personal parts, because my Bobble sez that if I REALLY love Jeebus Gawd I will have to pray and worry about the private lives of homosexuals all over the country if I want to be able to be the biggest, nastiest, ugliest, most gluttonous, gossipy, greedy thug on the planet. (Oh, I also hafta hide my own queerness and quote lots of Bobble verses.)

You just don't want my kind to have ANY fun. Where is your tolerance?

:sarcasm:



Great post!!!!! As usual

[Pacifist Patriot]

54. K & R

[rhett o rick]

57. It is a power thing. Religious leaders have figured out that by

demonizing sex, they have power over their congregations. For one thing the followers think they need lots of God's help (thru the religious leader) to overcome their natural sexual desires.

You would think that religions would teach love and understanding instead of hate. Many do but many do not. Hate and fear are tools used to control people and many religions want to control people. By demonizing certain acts that are sexual, religions can get their followers to band together to fight the evil.

The last time i spoke to God, he explained this all to me and, unlike Pat Roberson, i paid attention.
He said religions are supposed to teach love and peace not hate and killing. He also said Karl Rove was the devil and the Mariners probably won't win the World Series.

[Stinky The Clown]

60. Oh man ......

.... bummer about the Mariners.

[blondeatlast]

61. I can understand the Rove thing--but couldn't He give you a SOLID

line on the World Series?

I mean, He apparently cares about sports so much He influences the outcome of every single game...

between peeking in the bedroom windows of gay Americans and blessing America and nowhere else.

[rhett o rick]

63. Agree, the tip about the Mariners was a no brainer. No offense to his/her

almighty.

[iamahaingttta]

64. I LOVE to fuck...

...I do it pretty often, and I've gotten really good at it. Yet somehow, some busybody will figure out a way to call that "bad!" I might like to smoke a little pot while I'm doing it, but that's illegal so it's "Bad!!" Maybe Sweetie or I will choose to do it with someone else once in a while. That's definitely "BAD!!!" I'm not even going to entertain the notion of maybe doing it with someone of the same sex, "bad! Bad!! BAD!!!"

Like everybody said - It's what people do. Ignore it, please. And leave me alone!

[Gregorian]

66. Then you'll love this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5VNe9NTOxA




Yes, this country is fucking stupid. Hey, it's only 100,000 days old. What do we expect? Rational behaviour or something?

[Stinky The Clown]

67. "He may appear normal"

Judging from the cars (the 'homo' was driving a 1960 Ford) this movie was made while I was just into high school. This is typical of the crap they showed. This and VD films and films showing bloody car wrecks in graphic detail as a way to convince us not to speed.

[madmusic]

70. A distinction without a difference

The OP argues that the news on consensual sex is bad, but the news on predators and molesters is good.

I say the news along with politician's soundbites do not make that distinction. We have Jessica's Law, Megan's law, The Jacob-Wetterling Act, all named after victims of predators. Anyone who violates any sex crime is a predator or a potential predator. For them, buying a dildo is only a start down the road of becoming a baby raper/child killer.

The real goal on the far right is to overturn Skinner v. Oklahoma, on which marriage rights, procreation rights, abortion rights and the fundamental right to personal liberty are based. Once overturned, the state may legally sterilize whoever it deems needs it.

Maybe some Democratic legislators know this and agree, but there's one problem with that: sexually liberal countries have far less sex crime, less teenage abortions or pregnancies and less crime in general. Is it any wonder sexuality is so screwed up in the U.S.? Here are a few examples after a quick Google:


Koso gets prison time
By BUTCH MABIN / Lincoln Journal Star

FALLS CITY — A Nebraska judge, unmoved by emotional testimony about a married couple’s love for each other, sentenced the husband Tuesday to 18 to 30 months in prison for having sex with the underage woman.

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The South Carolina bill, proposed by Republican Rep. Ralph Davenport, would make it a felony to sell devices used primarily for sexual stimulation and allow law enforcement to seize sex toys from raided businesses.

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Kline will appeal in teen-sex case
BY RON SYLVESTER
The Wichita Eagle
Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline on Tuesday formally filed notice that he'll appeal a federal judge's ruling on the sexual privacy of teenagers.

Kline wants most sexual activity between those under age 16 reported to state social services and law enforcement. Foulston testified at trial to even a stricter reading of the law, wanting nearly all sex between young teens reported.

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Marriage age bill is sent to Sebelius
By DAVID KLEPPER
The Star’s Topeka correspondent
“It’s important that no adult has sexually exploited a child and used marriage as a shield.”

But the idea of government setting a marriage age bothered some lawmakers, notably Sen. Kay O’Connor, an Olathe Republican. O’Connor said she’s unconvinced government has any business telling young couples they can’t marry, and she said a minimum marriage age could prompt more young women to seek abortions.

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Genarlow Wilson Case
Tuesday, May 02 2006 @ 05:42 PM CDT
Contributed by: Amber Leaf
Views: 66
Disappointing News

The Georgia Court of Appeals has rejected Genarlow Wilson's legal appeal. His legal team is now preparing a Motion to Reconsider and continues to fight on.

Needless to say his mother is devastated by the news and the shock to know that her son is sentenced to ten years in prison for a consensual sexual act. It is an extreme disappointment to her that her son was part of the reason the Georgia legislature enacted a Romeo and Juliet law to prevent other teens from going through this same problem and yet her son remains in jail.

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Kentucky Governor Signs Sex Offender Law
Friday, April 21 2006 @ 01:08 PM CDT
Contributed by: LyndseyB
Views: 74
FRANKFORT - Potentially hundreds of registered sex offenders would have to move farther away from schools under a sweeping change Gov. Ernie Fletcher signed into law Tuesday. "This is what our bill is all about," Fletcher said, pointing to about 30 Peaks Mill Elementary School pupils seated behind him. "To protect these young folks." --BY JOE BIESK | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

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Man convicted of sexual assault wants partial custody of baby


MONTPELIER, Vt. -- A 37-year-old man who conceived a baby with a 15-year-old girl and was later convicted of sexual assault is seeking partial custody of the child he fathered.


Robert LeClair said it was wrong for him to have sexual relations with the girl, but he cared deeply for her and the contact was consensual. He is asking the Vermont Supreme Court to overturn a ruling from Windsor Family Court.

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Teens' 'I do' might need an OK
Wednesday, March 29 2006 @ 08:28 AM CST
Contributed by: outrage
Views: 112
TALLAHASSEE - Motivated by a recent case involving a 37-year-old Georgia woman who married her 15-year-old boyfriend, a Miami-Dade lawmaker is pushing legislation that would ban judges from granting marriage licenses to minors -- even if the teen is a new parent or about to be one. --The Miami Herald

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There are pages and pages of these. Without a doubt, there are predators out there, but the dangerous are rare, relatively speaking, and the effort to blur all sex crimes, dangerous or not, into the predator category encourages the right to ban more and more consensual sex. Bill O'Reilly's Jessica's Law is only the beginning. This issue is more complex than his black and white view, and it is fallacious to say everyone who is against Jessica's Law wants to coddle predators. O'Reilly labeled the Union Dealer a "liberal rag" only because they defend a "think about it view of a more complex issue than O'Reilly would like us to consider. Not only that, does anyone have any doubts that Mr. Bill would drool if Mary Cary were a guest wearing a Catholic school girl uniform? While that is consensual (and nothing wrong with it) remember O'Reilly was a teacher at the Catholic high school. Projection, anyone?

While I would have gladly shot Joseph Duncan or John Couey had I caught them in the act, or better yet, to prevent it, I hate fascists, too.

EDIT: sp

[PegDAC]

72. The proposed South Carolina law

The South Carolina bill, proposed by Republican Rep. Ralph Davenport, would make it a felony to sell devices used primarily for sexual stimulation and allow law enforcement to seize sex toys from raided businesses.

The law would have exceptions for educational, law enforcement, and legislative (?) purposes.

[Warren DeMontague]

73. So a teacher can use a 2 foot double header Jelly dong as a blackboard

pointer.

And a cop can use a dildo as a billyclub-- Hmm. Hell, after Abner Louima, I thought that's what plungers were for.

But can a judge use one as a gavel-- What about Judicial purposes?

[PegDAC]

83. That's the exception I couldn't remember n/t

[madmusic]

75. legislative (?) purposes

As a paperweight reminder when crafting laws.

[seemunkee]

76. Its WTOP

what did you expect?
I'm surprised it wasn't a story about a found/lost/missing body part. They seem to specialize in those types of stories.
I hate that fucking radio station.

[WildEyedLiberal]

77. PEOPLE FUCK, DEAL WITH IT should totally be a bumpersticker

:rofl:

:applause: H2S!!

[Warren DeMontague]

84. Howabout: "Fuck People, People Fuck! What's The Deal-

Deal With It!"

Edit: or, "What the fuck, People! What's The Deal! Fucking People Fuck. Fuck. Fucking Deal With It"

[QueenOfCalifornia]

80. The "Subject" line of this post made me look

I must be a sick-o pervert to want to find out what this was about... I gotta tell you, I was laughing so hard that I had to get up and walk away from my computer.

Then I read the replies and found it curious that a whole bunch of people were talking about beets.

Beets the hell out of me!

Haaaa!

LOL!

(So that's how those two kids got into the house? I wondered where they came from.)