We need to take back our Democratic Party-- the DLC Dems must GO!

[Amy6627]

Just like the Dixie Crats in the '60's that didn't want Civil Rights they were kicked out. The DLC dems (Lieberman, Clinton, Biden, et al.) are Eisenhauser Repukes. I want them out of our party! They are controlling our party and keeping our progressive message down. They are Corporateers plain and simple.

[Avalux]

1. Add Blanche Lincoln to that list - grrrrr:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1373950&mesg_id=1373950

[skipos]

2. CT can replace Lieberman with Lamont if they choose.

We will see.

[wyldwolf]

3. why do you have Al Gore as your avatar?

[Amy6627]

4. I don't think he part of the DLC now. They way he is speaking out,

he is not acting like the DLC. He is speaking like a traditional Dem now. Is he still part of them? I emailed the DLC a few days ago to get a list of their political members, but they said they don't have one.

[wyldwolf]

6. Al Gore is speaking out on three fronts

1. His opposition to Bush, which doesn't distinguish him from most DLC/New Democrats.
2. The environment, which doesn't distinguish him from most DLC/New Democrats.
3. The Iraq war, doesn't distinguish him from some DLC/New Democrats.

He has shown no evidence that he has parted ways with the DLC on any issue that the DLC is demonized for.

[LynneSin]

8. Better not have John Kerry either, unlike Joe Biden - HE IS DLC!!!

:grr:

[NYCGirl]

14. No, they turned their backs on Gore after the 2000 election. And

then when Gore endorsed Dean in the primaries....well...

More information here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2655965&mesg_id=2659109

[wyldwolf]

17. no they didn't

They critiqued his campaign - like everybody else in the media and politics.

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[LynneSin]

12. At least i know who the members of the DLC are

YOu're just pulling names out of the air

[iconoclastNYC]

32. Al From just LOVES Joe Biden

Al From: "Joe Biden is a statesman in the tradition of Truman. Our party, and indeed our nation, is fortunate to have him as an advocate on the world stage." - http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=126&subid=189&contentid=253244


Maybe it's because Joe Biden is such a reliable vote for pro-corporate,anti-consumer bills like the MBNA-written bankrupsy bill.

DLC and Joe Biden...birds of a feather.

The funny thing about saying: "this person is DLC, this isn't" is that the DLC is radioactive and many new politicos won't go near it.

It's not just the DLC....there are plenty of DLCers in progressive clothing..... you got to look at thier votes.

Biden is a corporate whore. Plain and simple.

[LynneSin]

37. That still doesn't make Joe Biden DLC

the point of the OP was that Biden needs to be voted out because he's DLC. He's not and btw, as a Delawarean it would be a cold day in hell that I would vote for anyone but Joe Biden for senator (president - yeah, even I'm not that nuts).

Joe represents Delaware and we're quite pleased with him. Both he and Tom Carper have some of the highest approval ratings in the senate (64 and 62 respectively) and Delaware is a solid "D" state.

[AtomicKitten]

38. wow - in a parallel universe this is perfectly okay with the mods

[demosincebirth]

25. I agree. I think some would want Nader to lead the party.

"We cut our noses off to spite our faces."

[CrispyQ]

7. I completely agree.

In one of his books, Thom Hartmann says that the DLC is the neocon's attempt to infiltrate the Dem party.

Here's my tinfoil hat theory: thanks to electronic voting, they will select our '08 prez candidate, who will definitely be a DLC Dem. You won't hear any anti-war talk from this candidate, their agenda will favor corporations & when this person wins the national selection & they will use that to convince everyone that there is no problem with the voting machines & in fact, there never has been. The people will go back to sleep, assured that voting integrity is not compromised.

[Joanne98]

34. That's why I want Eliot Spitzer to be our candidate.

He is the corporations worst nightmare. The Wall Street Journal thinks he's Satan. Eliot Spitzer 2008!!!!!!!

[SaveElmer]

40. Eliot Spitzer in DLC I believe!...nt

[wyldwolf]

46. yes he is. But "he's not reaaaallllllyyyy DLC..."

:)

[wyldwolf]

9. How can you take back something you never had?

[LynneSin]

11. Stop using brain cells - not allowed in DLC threads

Haven't you read the rules yet? :sarcasm:

Neither is actually research who exactly are the members of the DLC since obviously the original poster doesn't have a fricking clue that Joe Biden has not nor never has been a member of the DLC and yet John Kerry has.

Go figure!

[wyldwolf]

16. Know what I like about you, Lynne?

You're not a big fan of the DLC, yet you know bullshit when you see it.

[LynneSin]

18. You know what I like about you - you think the same way too

even if you do spell my name wrong.

I'm not a fan of the DLC, but once you have someone like Rick Santorum as your senator, suddenly the DLC doesn't seem like the worlds worst thing!

And edit note: I can think of plenty of other DUers who would rather have a DLC democrat than the republican that represent them now

[rinsd]

13. Another day on DU, another call for purges of the Democratic Party.

[LynneSin]

15. DO me a favor - do more than post - alert to have this locked

This is bullshit. These dumbass "Let's get rid of the DLC" are nothing more than ineffective tools to help divide our party. We have a system to get rid of DLCers and other undesirable Democrats - it's called a primary election and last I checked it's doing quite well in Connecticut.

You don't like the DLC then have a plan. Simply screaming "VOTE THEM OUT" does nothing but provide for even MORE republicans being elected. Oh, and not the republican-lite democrats but real republicans that give the republican party the majority. Because even DLC democrats still give us the majority and much more power in DC

[rinsd]

20. Way ahead of you.

I'm not even a DLC fan but the fratricide has to stop.

Every Democratic candidate post primary should get DU's support if not full throated at least sans venom.

[LynneSin]

22. You know what voting for DLC democrats in november means....

if we get the majority we'll be giving very important committee chairs to the likes of Conyers, Waxman, Kennedy, Boxer, Leahy, Feingold just to name a few.

God forbid we have progressive non-DLC with important committe chair positions

[rinsd]

23. It is all about the majority, nothing else matters (nt)

[LynneSin]

24. For 2006 anyways

This isn't my lifetime strategy but without a majority we ain't doing squat!

[brentspeak]

42. It's not always fratricide

it's often just psy-ops from the other side.

[brentspeak]

41. Done...but as usual, the thread is not being cracked down upon

I'm alerting five hours after you did, and this thread's still up.

[blm]

19. Except we're PAST the primaries, so you're advocating to get rid of them

when their opposition is the Republican candidate.

Is that your intention?

[LynneSin]

21. Please keep alerting this flamefest thread

That's what it is - nothing constructive here except democrat bashing. Perhaps if the poster had a plan like "Let's get more democrats to run against DLC dems in the primaries" (although we're a bit late with that) then perhaps I wouldn't be so bitchy!

[adwon]

26. The Dixiecrats weren't kicked out

Some of them left, some stayed.

Oh, Eisenhauser? Eisenhauser?

Considering the fact that the mid-20th century is the most written about period, I'm continually shocked by those with no clue what happened during it.

[Zhade]

27. What surprises me is when some DUers...

...very few, mind you, espouse the "good old days" before the 60s, when we had Dixiecrats.

[adwon]

28. What?

People actually remember the glory days? You mean when Democrats had more than 2/3 of Congress? Lies. I can't imagine that anybody would have any reason to remember THAT.

Edit: I sometimes wonder that if people had a clue of party history, whether they would ever use the terms "DINO" or "real Democrat" again.

[Zhade]

39. Yeah, but a majority with at least a significant minority of racists?

Ones that actively campaigned against equal rights for blacks?

What's the point?

[adwon]

44. Ah

This is a touchy issue. It's hard to say anything positive about the segregationist members of Congress because it gets construed as support for their stand on that issue. Allow me to say up front that they were wrong on that issue. They were wrong on other issues. The fact that they were wrong on those issues does not preclude the fact that they could be, and sometimes were, right on other issues. The disagreement over civil rights, though, did not necessarily mean that those people were worthless to the party. Richard Russell and Hubert Humphrey disagreed violently over civil rights, yet they were able to value each other both personally and professionally. If they, with that issue, saw no reason to 'excommunicate' people, I have trouble understanding the current calls for such treatment with issues that, while important, involve less clear cut moral stands.

[Totally Committed]

29. We still have a 'Dixiecrat' in the Party....

What do you think Zell Miller is? Until he leaves out Party and joins the Republicans as he should, he's the closest thing we have to that sort of despicable relic.

TC

[adwon]

30. You sure?

As I recall, Zell Miller is the guy who took the Stars and Bars off the Georgia capitol. Quite an interesting move for a Dixiecrat.

[iconoclastNYC]

31. We must get a progressive populist elected everytime one of the DLCers

Retire.

Take back the party from the corporate conservative wing one seat at a time! We can try to take them out in the primaries but I think it's going to take waiting for them to vacate to really make a difference.

[onenote]

33. right...which progressive populist is going to get elected in Nebraska

or Louisiana or some of the other states where DLCers have been elected? I don't agree with Nelson or Landrieu or a number of other DLCers, but I'd rather have them (or someone who votes like them and gets elected in conservative states) than run a progressive candidate that will go down in flames in certain states. Gotta know how to pick one's fights. If Lieberman retires (assuming he fends off Lamont, which isn't a given), then by all means a progressive candidate should be pursued since CT is ripe for a progressive. But Louisiana? Nebraska? I wish, but its not gonna happen.

[onenote]

35. pathetically poor understanding of history

First of all, the "Dixiecrats" were a splinter party that formed in 1948 (not the 1960s) in protest against Truman's civil rights policies. They didn't get booted out of the party, they left and held their own nominating convention and put their own ticket (with Thurmond for Pres) on the ballot in a number of southern states. After Truman was re-elected, the Dixiecrat party dissolved and most of its members went back to being Democrats, including Thurmond.

Over time, a number of these southern Democrats either left the party or were defeated by Republicans. Thurmond finally switched parties in 1964...he left, he wasn't "kicked out."

Even after some of the southern Democrats left, others still stayed around as Democrats well into the 1970s. James Eastland of Mississippi, as unreconstructed a segregationist as you can find, did not retire until 1978 and never switched parties. In fact, he was the President Pro Tem of the Senate at the end of his career, while Jimmy Carter was President. No one asked him to leave the party and he never did.

Before starting a rant about the Democratic party, try learning something about the party's history.

[Stinky The Clown]

36. Uh .... minor point .......

The Dixicrats left on their own steam.

[Writer]

43. Okay, okay, okay. I'm a DLC Democrat, and you've convinced me.

So here's what I'm going to do:

Tomorrow, I am going to get on my county's voter registration site and change my voter registration from "Democrat" to "Independent." Since I no longer belong to the party, retaining Democratic registration would be kind of silly. Also, I recall shelling out at least $1000 in 2004 to Democrats. Since I'm no longer a member, I suppose I can put that money into a high-yield CD and make a bit of extra money off it. After all, I'm a good DLC capitalist.

Additionally, I will NOT (because I recall doing this two years ago as well) block walk 150 houses with my husband until I have blisters in my shoes. That sort of effort seems fruitless for a party in which I will no longer belong. Oh well.

THANK YOU FOR THIS UNIQUE THREAD ON THE DLC. All of the back-and-forth arguing about this organization has been nothing but fruitful and enlightening. Since you have so incredibly changed my mind, I will pull of stakes and drop my tent. I am outta here!

Good luck in 2006.

Writer.


P.S. :sarcasm:... just a bit.

[Cocoa]

45. were there any primaries in your state yesterday?

how did you vote?

[SeaBob]

47. DLC

On thier Home page is a place to contact them. I sent the following message

Q: what is the best thing the DLC can do for the democratic party

A: Disband

[proud patriot]

48. I'm locking this thread

Divisive Flamebait

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