Re: Fitzgerald: ANYONE can be gotten to, or circumvented with enough

[Lerkfish]

power.
I"m beginning to see that I have been grasping at straws of hope for fitzmas because I really wanted it to happen, but the reality is, the corruption of the republicans in this administration and all branches is so pervasive, it would take a perfect storm of miracles to overcome it.

I fear we reached the tipping point of facscism already, and nothing will stand against it.

I also am maybe just overly depressed at the moment for health reasons, but I still don't see how we got to this point, where ONE GUY is all that stands between us and complete fascism.

what has happened to my country?

[grytpype]

1. You just can't accept that Fitzgerald couldn't make a perjury case against

Rove.

Whatever. Believe whatever you want.

[fooj]

3. Couldn't or WOULDN'T?

You seem to have the inside scoop...do tell.

[Lerkfish]

4. I'm not articulating well, sorry.

I doing a macro pullback look at the entire situation. When one party controls everything, its unrealistic to expect they will be caught or anything done about it.

This is a larger issue than just Rove or just Fitzgerald.

[fooj]

7. I understand where you are coming from...

I really do. I feel a bit "hopeless" myself.

I'm beginning to believe that the majority of the American people don't really give a rat's ass what becomes of this country. I'm disgusted. I'm demoralized. You are NOT alone.

[SteppingRazor]

2. If you think Fitzgerald is the only thing that stands between us...

and complete fascism then, yes, you're putting way too much stock in him and his investigation.


And, you know, it's quite plausible that Karl Rove simply couldn't be indicted in this matter, or else offered testimony in exchange for not being indicted. The latter seems fairly likely, actually -- the man was interviewed five freakin' times, after all.

[Lerkfish]

6. right, sorry, I'm not explaining my point well.

I am jumping off from the specific of the plame case to the larger issue of how do you fight in the situation as it now stands?

once republicans have control of all three branches, are empowered to eavesdrop on us, characterize peace avocates as terrorists, make no fly lists, and harrass QUAKERS, for gosh sakes, then where do we start to fix this? I'm realizing that the train may in fact have left the station, we might NOT be able to fight this anymore.

as I said, I'm a little depressed today.

[SteppingRazor]

10. Be consoled with the fact that we don't, actually, live in a fascist...

state.

If we did, we would not be having this conversation on Democraticunderground.

There would not be a DU, and you and I would be in jail.

[McCamy Taylor]

5. Dude! Do not be wishing that Fitz turns into Ken Starr. That is not right.

Take a big breath, relax and remember that we are what we do, so if we use fascist techniques, we are fascists.

[applegrove]

9. I'm with you. You can't turn creepy just because they are. You gotta

win by fighting hard and smart. But not by anything but the truth. And Fitz didn't have enough truth to go to court. Obviously there was enough to investigate. Not enough to indict.

[MADem]

8. What I find notable about Fitzgerald is this:

He's incredibly talented.

He's very dedicated.

He's extremely professional.

His staff is intensely loyal.

Neither he nor his staff leaks.


So, the bottom line is, unless we can crack open his brain and look in, we have NO IDEA what he is thinking, where he is going, and how he intends to bring this whole business forward.

We're so used to spinners of bullshit, and weavers of fairy tales, that we expect everyone to play that game. He, apparently, isn't interested in doing it that way. Fine by me, I can wait.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. People are acting as if the investigation is over

Fitzgerald has made no statements. He has not cleared anyone. And he has not ended the investigation. Until then, nothing has changed.

Besides, this isn't the only scandal or investigation that is going on. It is just one of many that will be their eventual end.

[jrandom421]

12. Just a question

Isn't this the same guy who refused to be intimidated by death threats from terrorists and mobsters? And if death threats didn't stop him from indicting, trying and convicting various violent figures, like Ramsey Yousef and so on, how could the White House and Justice Dept, no matter how corrupt they are, lean on him any harder?