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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 02:59 PM
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serious politicos must read this report at American Prospect
This is a four-part report that is a must read for those seriously interested in a run of Democratic wins. Finally, a winning strategy.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=11435

First paragraph of the 18,000 word report:

"The thesis of this report is straightforward. Progressives need to fight for what they believe in -- and put the common good at the center of a new progressive vision -- as an essential strategy for political growth and majority building. This is no longer a wishful sentiment by out-of-power activists, but a political and electoral imperative for all concerned progressives."
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:04 PM
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1. Reading it now!
Thanks!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:27 PM
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2. interesting report - shows we need to stand up for themselves and
what we believe.

offense is the best form of defense.

using the correct words instead of polite euphamisms is effective.

kerry should slapped down the swiftboaters and held bush accountable for this tactic.

BE direct and get to the point: the republicans have a health care plan: it's called get sick and die.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/6for2008.htm
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:52 PM
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5. To keep the facts straight
I don't believe in promoting MYTHS when the media acted complicitly - that doesn't help anyone learn what really happened.


April 14, 2004 - The website for SBVT was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, the information technology manager for Gannon International, a St. Louis company that has diversified interests, including in Vietnam. (1) (note - Gannon International does not appear to have any relationship to Jeff Gannon/Guckert, the fake reporter.)

May 3, 2004 - "Kerry campaign announced a major advertising push to introduce 'John Kerry's lifetime of service and strength to the American people.' Kerry's four month Vietnam experience figures prominently in the ads." (2)

May 4, 2004 - The Swift Liars, beginning their lies by calling themselves "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth", went public at a news conference organized by Merrie Spaeth at the National Press Club. (1)

May 4, 2004 - "The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event...The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.' " (3)


May 4, 2004 - Aug. 5, 2004 - No public activity by Swift Liars (?) Wikipedia entry (7) notes "When the press conference garnered little attention, the organization decided to produce television advertisements." (Ed. note - were there any public info or announcements, other than talk on blogs? Was there anything going on publicly? Did the campaign have reason to foresee what was coming - note that they must have, see the reactions to each ad).


Jul. 26, 2004 - Jul. 29, 2004 - Democratic National Convention held in Boston. John Kerry's military experience is highlighted.

Aug. 5, 2004 - The Swift Liars' first television ad began airing a one-minute television spot in three states. (7)

Aug. 5, 2004 - "the General Counsels to the DNC and the Kerry-Edwards 2004 campaign faxed a letter to station managers at the relevant stations stating that the ad is 'an inflammatory, outrageous lie" and requesting that they "act immediately to prevent broadcast of this advertisement and deny any future sale of time. " ' " (4)

Aug. 10, 2004 - Democracy 21, The Campaign Legal Center and The Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that the Swift Liars were illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections. (4)

Aug. 17, 2004 - the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges. (4)

Aug. 19, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced its own ad "Rassmann." (4)

Aug. 20, 2004 - The Swift Liars' second television ad began airing. This ad selectively excerpted Kerry's statements to the SFRC on 4/22/1971. (7)

Aug. 22, 2004 - the Kerry-Edwards campaign announced another ad "Issues" which addressed the Swift Boat group's attacks.

Aug. 25, 2004 - The Kerry-Edwards campaign ... dispatched former Sen. Max Cleland and Jim Rassmann, to Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas to deliver to the President a letter signed by Democratic Senators who are veterans. (The letter was not accepted.) (4)

Aug. 26, 2004 - The Swift Liars' third television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's claim to have been in Cambodia in 1968. (7)

August 26, 2004 - Mary Beth Cahill sends letter to Ken Mehlman detailing the "Web of Connections" between the Swift Liars and the Bush Administration, and demanding that Bush denounce the smear campaign. (5)

August 26, 2004 - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) submits FOIA request "with the White House asking it to detail its contacts with individuals connected to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT)." (6)

Aug. 27, 2004 - The DNC ran a full page ad in the Aug. 27, 2004 New York Times terming the Swift Boat campaign a smear. (4)

Aug. 31, 2004 - - The Swift Liars' fourth television ad began airing. This ad attacked Kerry's participation in the medal-throwing protest on 4/23/1971. (7)

References:
* (1) SourceWatch article on SBVT

* (2) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman

* (3) (2004) Democracy in Action / Eric M. Appleman, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Kerry Campaign Response

* (4) (Sept. 8, 2004) Eric M. Appleman (apparently) Some Responses to the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" Ad

* (5) August 26, 2004 letter from Mary Beth Cahill to Ken Mehlman

* (6) Press Release (US Newswire): CREW FOIAs White House Contacts with Swift Boat Veterans Group

* (7) Wikipedia entry, Swift Vets and POWs for Truth



MH1 - This topic is to create a timeline of the response of the K/E04 campaign to the Swift Liars' smears. There is an RW-encouraged myth that K/E04 "didn't respond." As the timeline, once completed, will show, that is not true. Effectiveness of the response may be debated - that is subjective - the purpose of this thread is to collect the facts of the events.




On Aug. 19, 2004 Kerry himself responded directly in a speech to the International Association of Firefighters' Convention in Boston. (from prepared remarks)
...And more than thirty years ago, I learned an important lesson—when you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attacker. That's what I intend to do today.

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isn’t interested in the truth – and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the nomination for president.

But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what they’re up to tells you everything you need to know—he wants them to do his dirty work.

Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.

As firefighters you risk your lives everyday. You know what it’s like to see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what you’ve done—and so am I.

Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: "Bring it on."

I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending America—then, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and courage of the men who saw battle with me.

And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security – the issues that really matter to the American people...



Kerry defends war record
Aug. 19: John Kerry responds directly to attacks on his Vietnam military service Thursday, accusing President Bush of relying on front groups to challenge his war record.

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=40a0d9b1-0386-41ef-bc...



May 4, 2004. The Kerry campaign held a press conference directly after the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" event. (Above are, r-l, Wade Sanders, Del Sandusky and Drew Whitlow). Senior Advisor Michael Meehan said, "The Nixon White House attempted to do this to Kerry, and the Bush folks are following the same plan." "We're not going to let them make false claims about Kerry and go unanswered," Meehan said. He said his first instinct was to hold a press conference with an empty room where veterans could testify to their time spent in the military with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

The campaign provided an information package which raised significant questions about "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." Spaeth Communications, which hosted the event, "is a Republican headed firm from Texas which has contributed to Bush's campaign and has very close ties to the Bush Administration." Lead organizer John O'Neill, a Republican from Texas, "was a pawn of the Nixon White House in 1971." Further some of the people now speaking against Kerry had praised him in their evaluation reports in Vietnam.

John Dibble, who served on a swift boat in 1970, after Kerry had left, was one of the veterans at the Kerry event. He said of Kerry's anti-war activities that at the time, "I didn't like what he was doing." In retrospect, however, Dibble said, "I probably should have been doing the same thing...probably more of us should have been doing that." He said that might have meant fewer names on the Vietnam Memorial and that Kerry's anti-war activities were "a very gutsy thing to do."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/interestg/swift050404c....



Kerry campaign's quick response to Swift boat vets
By Marie Horrigan
UPI Deputy Americas Editor
Washington, DC, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The campaign for Democratic Party presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts issued an exhaustively researched and extensively sourced 36-page refutation Thursday of allegations Kerry lied about events during his service in Vietnam, including how and why he received medals, and had fled the scene of a battle.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040805-012143...



Kerry: Bush lets attack ads do 'dirty work'
McClellan points out criticism by anti-Bush group
Friday, August 20, 2004 Posted: 2:37 PM EDT (1837 GMT)
BOSTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry accused President Bush on Thursday of letting front groups "do his dirty work" in questioning his military service during the Vietnam War.

"The president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that," Kerry told a firefighters' union conference in his hometown of Boston.

"Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: Bring it on."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/19/kerry.attacka... /


http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php




August 5, 2004

VIA FACSIMILE

Re: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

Dear Station Manager:

We are counsel to the Democratic National Committee and John Kerry, respectively. It has been brought to our attention that a group calling itself "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" has bought time, or may seek to buy time, on your station to air an advertisement that attacks Senator Kerry. The advertisement contains statements by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT Boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries. In fact, not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and the man pretending to be his doctor was not. The entire advertisement, therefore is an inflammatory, outrageous lie.

"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" styles itself as a group of individuals who personally served with John Kerry in the United States Navy in the Vietnam War. In truth the group is a sham organization spearheaded by a Texas corporate media consultant. It has been financed largely with funds from a Houston homebuilder. See Slater, Dallas Morning News, July 23, 2004.

In this group's advertisement, twelve men appear to make statements about Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. Not a single one of these men served on either of Senator Kerry's two SWIFT Boats (PCF 44 & PCF94).

Further, the "doctor" who appears in the ad, Louis Letson, was not a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. In fact, another physician actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. Letson is not listed on any document as having treated Senator Kerry after the December 2, 1968 firefight. Moreover, according to news accounts, Letson did not record his "memories" of that incident until after Senator Kerry became a candidate for President in 2003. (National Review Online, May 4, 2004).

The statements made by the phony "crewmates" and "doctor" who appear in the advertisement are also totally, demonstrably and unequivocally false, and libelous. In parrticular, the advertisement charges that Senator Kerry "lied to get his Bronze Star." Just as falsely, it states that "he lied before the Senate." These are serious allegations of actual crimes -- specifically, of lying to the United States Government in the conduct of its official business. The events for which the Senator was awarded the Bronze Star have been documented repeatedly and in detail and are set out in the official citation signed by the Secretary of the Navy and the Commander of U.S. Forces in Vietnam. And yet these reckless charges of criminal conduct are offered without support or authentication, by fake "witnesses" speaking on behalf of a phony organization.

Your station is not obligated to accept this advertisement for broadcast nor is it required to account in any way for its decision to reject such an advertisement. Columbia Broadcasting System v. Democratic National Committee, 412 U.S. 94 (1973), You Can't Afford Dodd Committee, 81 FCC2d 579 (1980). The so-called "Swift Boat Veterans" organization is not a federal candidate or candidate committee. Repeated efforts by organizations that are not candidate committees to obtain a private right of access have been consistently rejected by the FCC. See e.g., National Conservative Political Action Committee, 89 FCC2d 626 (1982).

Thus, your station my freely refuse this advertisement. Because your station has this freedom, and because it is not a "use" of your facilities by a clearly identified candidate, your station is responsible for the false and libelous charges made by this sponsor.

Moreover, as a licensee, you have an overriding duty "to protect the public from false, misleading or deceptive advertising." Licensee Responsibility With Respect to the Broadcast of False, Misleading or Deceptive Advertising, 74 F.C.D.2d 623 (1961). Your station normally must take "reasonable steps" to satisfy itself "as to the reliability and reputation of every prospective advertiser." In re Complaint by Consumers Assocation of District of Columbia, 32 F.C.C.2d 400, 405 (1971).

Under these circumstances, your station may not responsibly air this advertisement. We request that your station act immmediately to prevent broadcasts of this advertisement and deny andy future sale of time. Knowing that the advertisement is false, and possessing the legal authority to refuse to run it, your station should exercise that authority in the public interest.


Please contact us promptly at either of the phone numbers below to advise us regarding the status of this advertisement.

Sincerely yours,
Marc Elias
Perkins Coie
607 14th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005


General Counsel
Kerry-Edwards 2004 Joseph Sandler
Sandler, Reiff & Young
50 E Street, S.E. #300
Washington, D.C. 20003


General Counsel
Democratic National Committee


http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/dem080504ltrswift...




From the transcript of the Aug. 5, 2004 White House Press Briefing with Scott McClellan:

Q Do you -- does the President repudiate this 527 ad that calls Kerry a liar on Vietnam?

MR. McCLELLAN: The President deplores all the unregulated soft money activity. We have been very clear in stating that, you know, we will not -- and we have not and we will not question Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. I think that this is another example of the problem with the unregulated soft money activity that is going on. The President thought he put an end -- or the President thought he got rid of this kind of unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reforms into law. And, you know, the President has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative attacks from shadowy groups.

* * *

In the days after the release of the ad a host of major newspapers published editorials condemning it including the Arizona Republic ("Campaign Non-Starter," August 6), Los Angeles Times ("It's Not All Fair Game," August 6), Plain Dealer ("Ad Says Kerry Lied; Record Says Otherwise," August 8), St. Petersburg Times ("An Ugly Attack," August 9), Las Vegas Sun ("Ad's Smear Should Be Condemned," August 9), Oregonian ("Now It Gets Nasty," August 11), and Washington Post ("Swift Boat Smears," August 12).

* * *

On Aug. 10, 2004 Democracy 21, the Campaign Legal Center and the Center for Responsive Politics filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is illegally raising and spending soft money on ads to influence the 2004 presidential elections.

* * *

From the transcript of Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance on CNN'S Larry King Live:


KING: In view of that, do you think that it's fair, for the record, John Kerry's service record, to be an issue at all? I know that Senator McCain...
G. BUSH: You know, I think it is an issue, because he views it as honorable service, and so do I. I mean...
KING: Oh, so it is. But, I mean, Senator McCain has asked to be condemned, the attack on his service. What do you say to that?
G. BUSH: Well, I say they ought to get rid of all those 527s, independent expenditures that have flooded the airwaves.
There have been millions of dollars spent up until this point in time. I signed a law that I thought would get rid of
those, and I called on the senator to -- let's just get anybody who feels like they got to run to not do so.
KING: Do you condemn the statements made about his...
G. BUSH: Well, I haven't seen the ad, but what I do condemn is these unregulated, soft-money expenditures by very wealthy people, and they've said some bad things about me. I guess they're saying bad things about him. And what I think we ought to do is not have them on the air. I think there ought to be full disclosure. The campaign funding law I signed I thought was going to get rid of that. But evidently the Federal Election Commission had a different view...

Kerry spokesman Chad Clanton's response to Bush's Aug. 12, 2004 appearance:
"Tonight President Bush called Kerry's service in Vietnam 'noble.' But in the same breath refused to heed Senator McCain's call to condemn the dirty work being done by the 'Swift Boat Vets for Bush.' Once again, the President side-stepped responsibility and refused to do the right thing. His credibility is running out as fast as his time in the White House."

* * *

On Aug. 17, 2004 the campaign held a press conference at which Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.), Adm. Stansfield Turner (ret.), and several swift boat veterans rebutted the charges.

* * *

DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe issued a statement on Aug. 18, 2004:

"By saying nothing at all George W. Bush is a complicit contributor to the slanderous, lie-filled attack ads that have been launched on John Kerry on Bush's behalf. Instead of stepping up and taking the high road, George Bush's response has been evasion, avoidance, everything but disavowal.

"Larry King asked George Bush to 'condemn' it. He refused. Reporters asked the President's Press Secretary if he'd 'repudiate' it. He ducked. They can try to blame it on the rules or whoever else they want, but the blame belongs squarely on the Republicans. They wrote it. They produced it. They placed it. They paid for it. And now it is time for George W. Bush to stand up and say, 'enough.'

"This is not debate, Mr. President, and this unfounded attack on Senator Kerry has crossed the line of decency. I call on you today to condemn this ad, the men who put their lies behind it, and the donors who paid for it. It's time."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/ads04/swiftadresponse.h...



Altercation Book Club: Lapdogs by Eric Boehlert
Relatively early on in the August coverage of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth story, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifty. In late August, CNN's scrawl across the bottom of the screen read, "Several Vietnam veterans are backing Kerry's version of events." Again, a more factual phrasing would have been "Crewmembers have always backed Kerry's version of events." But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer.

When the discussion did occasionally turn to the facts behind the Swift Boat allegations, reporters and pundits seemed too spooked to address the obvious—that the charges made no sense and there was little credible evidence to support them.. Substituting as host of "Meet the Press," Andrea Mitchell on Aug. 15 pressed Boston Globe reporter Anne Kornblut about the facts surrounding Kerry's combat service: "Well, Anne, you've covered him for many years, John Kerry. What is the truth of his record?" Instead of mentioning some of the glaring inconsistencies in the Swifties' allegation, such as George Elliott and Adrian Lonsdale 's embarrassing flip-flops, Kornblut ducked the question, suggesting the truth was "subjective": "The truth of his record, the criticism that's coming from the Swift Boat ads, is that he betrayed his fellow veterans. Well, that's a subjective question, that he came back from the war and then protested it. So, I mean, that is truly something that's subjective." Ten days later Kornblut scored a sit-down interview with O'Neill. In her 1,200-word story she politely declined to press O'Neill about a single factual inconsistency surrounding the Swifties' allegations, thereby keeping her Globe readers in the dark about the Swift Boat farce. (It was not until Bush was safely re-elected that that Kornblut, appearing on MSNBC, conceded the Swift Boast ads were clearly inaccurate.)

Hosting an Aug. 28 discussion on CNBC with Newsweek's Jon Meacham and Time's Jay Carney, NBC's Tim Russert finally, after weeks of overheated Swifty coverage, got around to asking the pertinent question: "Based on everything you have heard, seen, reported, in terms of the actual charges, the content of the book, is there any validity to any of it?" Carney conceded the charges did not have any validity, but did it oh, so gently: "I think it's hard to say that any one of them is by any standard that we measure these things has been substantiated." Apparently Carney forgot to pass the word along to editors at Time magazine, which is read by significantly more news consumers than Russert's weekly cable chat show on CNBC. Because it wasn't until its Sept. 20 2004 issue, well after the Swift Boat controversy had peaked, that the Time news team managed enough courage to tentatively announce the charges levied against Kerry and his combat service were "reckless and unfair." (Better late than never; Time's competitor Newsweek waited until after the election to report the Swift Boat charges were "misleading," but "very effective.") But even then, Time didn't hold the Swifties responsible for their "reckless and unfair" charges. Instead, Time celebrated them. Typing up an election postscript in November, Time toasted the Swift Boat's O'Neill as one of the campaign's "Winners," while remaining dutifully silent about the group's fraudulent charges.

That kind of Beltway media group self-censorship was evident throughout the Swift Boat story, as the perimeters of acceptable reporting were quickly established. Witness the MSM reaction to Wayne Langhofer, Jim Russell and Robert Lambert. All three men served with Kerry in Vietnam and all three men were witnesses to the disputed March 13, 1969 event in which Kerry rescued Green Beret Jim Rassmann, winning a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. The Swifties, after 35 years of silence, insisted Kerry did nothing special that day, and that he certainly did not come under enemy fire when he plucked Rassmann out of the drink. Therefore, Kerry did not deserve his honors.

It's true every person on Kerry's boat, along with the thankful Rassmann, insisted they were under fire, and so did the official Navy citation for Kerry's Bronze Star. Still, Swifties held to their unlikely story, and the press pretended to be confused about the stand-off. Then during the last week in August three more eyewitnesses, all backing the Navy's version of events that there had been hostile gun fire, stepped forward. They were Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

Russell wrote an indignant letter to his local Telluride Daily Planet to dispute the Swifties' claim: "Forever pictured in my mind since that day over 30 years ago John Kerry bending over his boat picking up one of the rangers that we were ferrying from out of the water. All the time we were taking small arms fire from the beach; although because of our fusillade into the jungle, I don't think it was very accurate, thank God. Anyone who doesn't think that we were being fired upon must have been on a different river."

The number of times Russell was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 1. On Fox News: 1. MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1. On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Like Russell, Langhofer also remembered strong enemy gunfire that day. An Aug. 22 article in the Washington Post laid out the details: "Until now, eyewitness evidence supporting Kerry's version had come only from his own crewmen. But yesterday, The Post independently contacted a participant who has not spoken out so far in favor of either camp who remembers coming under enemy fire. “There was a lot of firing going on, and it came from both sides of the river,” said Wayne D. Langhofer, who manned a machine gun aboard PCF-43, the boat that was directly behind Kerry’s. Langhofer said he distinctly remembered the “clack, clack, clack” of enemy AK-47s, as well as muzzle flashes from the riverbanks." (For some strange reason the Post buried its Langhofer scoop in the 50th paragraph of the story.)

The number of times Langhofer was subsequently mentioned on CNN: 0. On Fox News: 0. On MSNBC: 0. On ABC: 0. CBS: 0. NBC: 0.

As for Lambert, The Nation magazine uncovered the official citation for the Bronze Medal he won that same day and it too reported the flotilla of five U.S. boats "came under small-arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."

The number of times Lambert was mentioned on. On Fox News: 1. On CNN: 0. On MSNBC: 0. ABC: 1 On CBS: 0. On NBC: 0.

Additionally, the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs, who served as the paper's point person on the Swifty scandal, was asked during an Aug. 30, 2004, online chat with readers why the paper hadn't reported more aggressively on the public statements of Langhofer, Russell and Lambert. Dobbs insisted, "I hope to return to this subject at some point to update readers." But he never did. Post readers, who were deluged with Swifty reporting, received just the sketchiest of facts about Langhofer, Russell and Lambert.

If that doesn't represent a concerted effort by the press to look the other way, than what does?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12799378/#060518



Please use this information as a guideline for 2006 and 2008 campaigns. What the media edits out of our campaigns is CRUCIAL to public perception.

Even many Democrats are unaware of the real fight that occurred in 2004 and are buying wholesale the corporate media spin which conveniently protects the corporate media who failed to give honest coverage of Kerry's defense against the lies of the swift vets and their Republican handlers.

Not recognizing the extent of the corporate media's duplicity is a danger for all Democratic candidates in 2006 and 2008.

This can and WILL happen to any Democratic candidate.

This CAN and WILL happen to ANY Democratic candidate. FIGHT THE MYTHS.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:44 PM
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11. The details of Kerry's service in 'Nam were a sideshow
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 09:47 PM by creeksneakers2
The issue that the vets raised that had teeth was Kerry's 1971 testimony to the Senate on Vietnam.

That testimony issue tied right into the core of what divided America at that time. Half of America believed in supporting the president no matter what and that questioning the Iraq war was showing disloyalty to the troops. "Patriotism equals obedience." That's the kind of thinking that got us into Iraq. That was the core of the RW bullying that trampled Democrats in 2002. All of us in the base were tired of being called traitors.

I was angry that John Kerry didn't stand up for the public knowing the truth. Kerry didn't speak up for open debate. Kerry didn't defend his doing his duty as American who went to Vietnam and found out that what the public was being told was all lies. Kerry didn't defend Democracy when the other side was spreading fear of our enemies and fascism.

In all of your list you note that on August 20, 2004 the swift boat liars started running ads attacking Kerry's testimony. Nothing else you've written is about any response Kerry gave to that. Kerry spent plenty of time bickering over details that only news junkies could follow.

I remember Kerry's response to the attacks on his patriotism. Kerry didn't have the sleaziness to apologize for what he said in 1971 or the courage to defend it. Kerry said that he would have said the same thing but a different way. "I was a little over the top," Kerry said. So on the biggest issue against him at the time, Kerry would not pick a side. He tried to wiggle his way out by saying something he hoped would please both sides. All the public could see Kerry for what he was, a total coward. On top of that, Kerry tried a "Dad! Make them stop!" attack on Bush. That just showed that Kerry was unable to defend himself. Kerry looked like a pussy asking Bush for help.

That's why Kerry lost. He was gutless, and the public knew it. And we still get called traitors because John Kerry didn't stand up for us.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:17 AM
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12. The PUBLIC voted for Kerry - the machines gave it to Bush.
And we have Terry MacAuliffe to thank for that for not believing machine fraud and for not securing the machines BEFORE the vote, the only time it could have been done.

Bush didn't do SHIT FOR HIMSELF. You can admire him all you want, but he never lifted a damn finger for himself. You admire his TEAM AROUND HIM.

Kerry beat the crap out of BUsh at every man to man matchup. How did the DNC do?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:14 PM
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15. it is true that the public voted for Kerry
But it is also true that Kerry got suckered into several of Rove's traps. Had he not been suckered, there might have been a vote count that could not have been stolen or ignored.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:00 PM
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16. Doesn't matter what the spread is if the votes are being switched - the
more votes for you, the more votes switched to them.

No such thing as a greater spread. You think Bush got 11 million more votes than 2000 and without losing one voter?
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:35 PM
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17. You are 100% correct, but
I could understand the Honest Politicians ,Dems and Repubs silence about the election theft machines early on, after the 2004 election, but NOW 2 years later, boat loads of COMMON SENSE evidence about the machines online and slowly trickling ON TV but yet SILENCE from all our Politicians.

Its hard to understand or make excuses for their SILENCE or their fear of going ON TV to discuss this all important issue.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 05:08 PM
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18. I don't admire Bush or his team. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 05:57 PM
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19. If Kerry lost because you claim he was gutless then Bush won because he
showed GUTS to you.

Or was it the RNC and the RW media who made it appear like Bush had the guts while the DNC and the piddly left media got their asses handed to them everyday because they didn't even know half the shit that was happening around them? Dem pundits were so schooled all those years in defeinding Clinton, they barely even knew any other Democrat, no matter how admirable their record.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 09:52 AM
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13. Kerry HIMSELF should have responded immediately
I remember all of the indirect signals from Kerry's campaign.

But the fact was that for several weeks, he did not address it himself directly. And everyone -- media and Kerry supporters alike -- were scratching their heads and saying "Why doesn;t he answer this?"

Having your campaihgn send out signals and having surrogates defend you is exactly what was wrong with Kerry -- and by extension the Democrats. Instead of being pro-active and going on offense immediately to shoot down the Swift Liars, he allowed the issue to build and the web of lies become even more entangled.



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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:03 PM
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14. Kerry DID in a speech to the Firefighters Convention that all media should
have covered live or at least gave significant news coverage to - but NONE DID.

NONE.

And if you think it wasn't intentional, then I have a bridge to sell......

And BTW - did you hear George Bush defend himself EVEN ONCE? Nope. He had an RNC and RW message machine do it for him. How did the DNC and the LW media do?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:37 PM
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3. Nah, let's continue being republican lite
and running away from the dreaded 'l' word. I know, lets be more religious. No, lets be more religious and bash hispanics. No lets be more religious, bash hispanics, support tax cuts for the rich while gutting social security, support the war so we ain't softonterra, and sign up for some more of that good old globalization. Yeah, that's it.

After a brief scan - 'no duh'! Now if we could just get rid of the trolls moles and niafs who constantly argue for defeatist triangulation and repug-lite stratergizering we might actually get somewhere.

Or we can just lay back and let the lieberman wing of the party destroy what is left of us.
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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:51 PM
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4. I agree
We need an agenda that we stick to no matter what. The democratic fundamentals are good, we cannot be wishy washy in our stance on certain issues. We need to do what is for th good of us all. We need to show the people who vote repubs that they will get poorer because of it. They will have no more social security. This is not politics it is the truth.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 06:21 PM
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20. I wish they were trolls, but no, they're real live Democrats
the same ones that continue to push the failed "strategy" of selling us out to the corporate contributers.

Although naif is indeed accurate.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 03:58 PM
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6. we ain't got no identity
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 04:05 PM by welshTerrier2
i've been listening for far too long to DU's apologists pointing me to the DNC website to read our very wonderful party agenda ... i think it's vague and ineffective ... i've been hearing all the party cheerleaders talking about our wonderful "diversity" on issues like Iraq without their realizing that we are not seen as "tolerant of various views" but rather indecisive and dispassionate ... all this "triangulation", fight for the center crap is nothing more than political game playing ... it sends a message that we are more interested in winning elections than making the country better by fighting for our deepest beliefs ... the party cheerleaders call us purests ... well, read this study and get with the program ... it's not about purity; it's about passion and it's about taken a stand and defining who we are ...

i haven't liked much of what i've read from Teixeira so i wasn't expecting much when i read this latest offering ... well, i was wrong ...

his basic message: We ain't got no identity ...

at least not an identity we would prefer ... the identity we have has been skillfully painted by republicans and we have not fought back correctly ... here's a snip of a post i made earlier today (before reading the Teixeira article) on this very subject:


source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2715163&mesg_id=2716334

and secondly, even being out of power, we still need to focus on the foundation of our political support ... what is that foundation? educating the voters on what we believe ... the party's message is an "all the time" job ... do we believe in balanced budgets? what is the party's view on the social safety net? what is the right balance between regulating corporations and allowing business more freedom to operate? what is the role of our military? exact programs and policies are not needed; we need a longer-term campaign to establish the identity of our party ... right now, OUR identity has been defined for us by the republicans ... what is that identity? even getting beyond the labels (e.g. tax and spend), the party is painted as unfriendly to business (hurting jobs), too free with social spending (raising taxes) and weak on defense (anti-military) ... the problem i see is that we've allowed the republicans to paint us so negatively and we have not responded correctly ... the party is more committed to social spending than the republicans are ... to do that, however, and this also addresses the tax issue, we have to propose real, meaningful cuts in other programs ... we are afraid to do that ... THE program that needs the most cutting, besides rolling back bush's tax cuts, is our bloated defense budget ... but Democrats are obsessed with the weak on defense allegations so they won't call for defense cuts ...

and that is a major problem ... we "go along" with Iraq because we have to appear tough ... we go along with massive excesses in the defense budget, especially in hardware programs, because we have to appear tough ... the reality is, and this is the killer point, both Iraq and excessive defense spending WEAKEN the country ... but Democrats won't say that to the American people because we're working on our new macho image ... truly it is crazy ... the result is that we are seen as followers, not leaders, on defense ... the result is that we are seen as social spenders with no plan to balance the budget beyond raising taxes ... this whole foolishness plays right into republican hands ... this is how i've seen the political landscape since 1980 when reagan was elected ... our new image program is killing us ... it's not triangulation; it's madness and it is a big loser ...


thanks for posting this, grasswire ... this thread is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED !!!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 05:30 PM
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7. yayy!
Thanks for the thanks.

I especially like the idea of the core campaign principle being the "common good" -- I believe it plays very well in all parts of the country. It can lift the spirits of every American (except those who are profiting from the destruction of the economy and the middle class).
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 05:47 PM
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8. "common good"
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 05:48 PM by welshTerrier2
it will be interesting to see how they want to present the "common good" theme ...

there's a great Frank Burns line from a MASH episode that is: "it's nice to be nice to the nice" ... we use this around our house to mean that the message is a "yeah, so what" ... it's true but it lacks any punch at all ...

on a theme like "common good", which is fine, the devil is in the details ... if the message ends up in feel good bi-partisanship without calling for substantive change, it's crap ...

here's what the message should include ... if the party wants to choose different verbiage for political "framing", fine ... but we can't just peddle a feel good message of we're all Americans so we should work together for a better America ... that's DOA ...

"common good" in my parlance means we have to reclaim our democracy for every American ... it recognizes that the wealthiest most powerful individuals and corporations have had a stranglehold on our government and this is not the way we should be operating ... it recognizes that much of both our domestic and foreign policies, e.g. the energy bill and the Medicare bill and the war in Iraq, have been written by mega-corporations for mega-corporations ... it recognizes that we have been lied to for generations about American foreign policy which is always advertised as a noble cause but is, in actuality, a government subsidized program to benefit massive, multi-national corporations ...

and Americans have NOT even reaped the benefits of all this foreign exploitation ... we have contributed our military for private gain ... we have contributed our tax dollars for private gain via a massive corporate welfare scam ... look at Iraq: record all time oil profits since the war began ... does anyone believe the oil industry, all bush's friends, want to see that war end anytime soon? the "good" that is being served is greedy, corporate "good"; not common good ...

well, perhaps political gurus can sell the message and change the course we're on without all the inflammatory truths ... i doubt it ... once again, they'll probably shoot for a meek, barely conveying the message tone ... i hope not but that's been how it's been ...

talking about the common good need not be a partisan message ... it need not be right, center or left either ... putting the American people ahead of greedy special interests, and there's nothing special about them, should not be seen as supporting the idiotic "triangulation" centrist approach of some Democrats ... restoring good democracy in America should be an issue that sits outside the political spectrum ...

common good is a good message as long as we educate the American people about the truth so that we don't fall prey to the special interests again in the future ... part of campaigning on this theme MUST include a clear statement of where we've been ... those who don't learn from history will be condemned to repeat it ... the mission of the party MUST be more than finding a new message; it must include a deep commitment to teaching the voters the truth about where their government has been ... i worry Democrats may not be up to the task ... i hope to hell i'm dead wrong ...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:30 PM
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10. thoughtful post, thanks
"common good" means infrastructure, schools, social security, and all those things Republicans have deregulated and privatized in order to profiteer, partly. I think if you read the report, you'll find what they recommend. Whether we are up to it? I think Democrats are. I don't know that our current "leadership" is.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 06:29 PM
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21. No! We're strongly in favor of "Expanding economic opportunity"
That's a position that puts us miles ahead of those other candidates that are against expanding economic opportunity.
:banghead: :dunce:
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 01:05 PM
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23. see, that's the problem ...
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 01:08 PM by welshTerrier2
"exanding economic opportunity" ... sounds great, doesn't it?

how could anyone oppose such an obviously excellent platform position ... the problem is, though, that's exactly what the republicans say they favor too ...

and voters see no clear program to make the words meaningful ...

if Democrats have a real jobs program and a "wealth creation" program, what is it? and don't just explain it to me, explain it to the American people ...

go knock on your neighbor's door and ask him if he can give even a single example of how electing Democrats is going to "expand economic opportunity" ... the problem is NOT that Democrats aren't really committed to this goal; the problem is the message is way too vague and the American people cannot see that we are deeply committed to improving their economic opportunities ...

if you believe a strong Democratic message is being heard by the American people, i truly hope you're right ... Democrats i speak to believe Democrats are committed but are lousy representatives for the party because they can't explain the details to anyone who remains unconvinced ... non-voters i speak to, who think everything politicians say is a self-serving lie, think statements like "committed to expanding economic opportunity" is just more of the same old con game ... there are tens of millions who don't vote; vague statements about why Democrats are better are DOA to them ...

you wrote: "That's a position that puts us miles ahead of those other candidates that are against expanding economic opportunity." ... the problem with this is that no one says they are "against expanding economic opportunity" ... that leaves voters with the job of trying to discern the differences ... vague statements calling for expanded opportunity do not provide enough information to make the distinction between candidates ... far more details are needed for this to be a meaningful plank in the platform ...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 07:52 PM
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24. You are exactly right and my reply was wholly sarcastic,
though I forgot to include the smiley. They put forth no plans, no specifics, because they can't. If they were to take a position, publish and adopt a plan, they would be stuck with it, and that is the problem. They have no intention of doing anything for us, there's no advantage in that for them.

Our purpose is to vote and then shut up and go away for two years until they need our votes again.

But don't forget, they do have many, many plans to expand their economy and the economies of their contributors, the plans just don't include us, and that makes it hard for them to get us to vote for them. The amerikan corporatocracy is the agenda that both of the parties are pursuing, have pursued, and will continue to pursue as long as they have the power to do so, and we're too stoopid to demand better.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 11:22 PM
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25. you know ...
Edited on Wed Jul-12-06 11:23 PM by welshTerrier2
i must be taking my politics too seriously these days ... that's the second time in two days i've completely missed the sarcasm ...

humblest apologies ...

btw, nice doggie pic ... when we canines finally seize power, things will get better ...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 11:37 PM
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26. Now that's a Party I'll whole-heartedly support!
Put the dogs in charge, they couldn't possibly do worse.

As for taking it too seriously, I know I frequently get so freaked out at the appalling ignorance among the sheeple, that I lose all perspective. Then I stay away from it for a while.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 06:15 PM
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9. KICK!
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 03:12 AM
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22. read the article the other day...excellent read
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