What do you predict for 2008? I don't see the neocons going quietly.

[unschooler]

:shrug:

[DanCa]

1. I just hope that we can reunite for the 2008 race.

The repukes are allready reuniting us on the I/P conflict. It'll be a real shame if we get a supreme court packed with neo cons because of that.

[DELUSIONAL]

2. They want to destabilize the whole middle east --

which could have a domino effect -- and push us into some sort of version of World War -- numbering system is way out of wack for the WW series.

No the Necons won't go quietly -- and they should be dealt with -- International court of Law. Leave them to their own and they will continue to destroy the fabric of civilization as we know it.


Try this website for some Neocon bedtime stories:

http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm then go to the home page for lots more fun reading

[Greyhound]

3. OK, it's late enough and I'm drunk enough, and I ain't gettin'

laid tonight, so here goes.

If things continue as they have for the last five years, and I see no reason to believe otherwise, the Democrats will pick up enough seats in both houses to proclaim a victory but will get a majority in only one, maybe not even one if they can conjure some excuse as to why they should be excused for utter failure, yet again.

The one-house scenario is that we will hear lots of noise about "somebody has to pay for the failures of the last six years", but in the end no one will be removed from office, go to jail, or even pay a fine, for committing mass murder. If the Dems take the house, we may get a censure, but I am sure there will be enough DINO's to stop any action of consequence, after all the majority will only be <10, so it won't cost too many members too many points. If the Dems get the Senate, there will be no action at all on the question of war crimes, but we will get a slightly less authoritarian SCOTUS nominee, and that will help a little in the long run.

Either way 2008 is going to look depressingly familiar, the usual choice of turd sandwich or douche bag. Forget the re:puke: nominee, whatever POS they put up will have zero appeal for us. If history is any indication, the Democratic nominee will not be HRC, it will be someone not even on the radar at this time, maybe Mark Warner they seem to like him. Yeah, fuck it, the 2008 Presidential election will be a choice between

*drum roll*

Mark Warner v. John McCain

If there is a Goddess, we will certainly need her help. :smoke:

[PDittie]

4. Entirely plausible

Proceed immediately -- well, Sunday evening -- to your nearest watering hole, try out the scenario on an attractive progressive, and see if you don't get ta getcha freak on.

[Greyhound]

5. LOL! thanks for the suggestion, but I'm pretty sure my SO would object.

:spray: She's pissed at me tonight, but that would probably be going too far. I'm also thinking that said "attractive progressive" wouldn't be encouraged by that prognostication. :hi:

Oh, and the watering holes around here are almost exclusively infested by implant sporting, fake blond, re:puke: harpies.

[PDittie]

6. Agreed. This would not be a strategy for success

at sexual congress with someone who already knows (and is upset with) you.

[shain from kane]

9. Work hard to convert them. n/t

[Greyhound]

24. Not happening here. This area is one of the primary beneficiaries

of shrubs crime spree, and they love him. The price of gas is their only concern and they can easily afford it.

[Totallybushed]

11. I don't understand why

everyone thinks John McCain will be the Republican nominee. The Republican "core" hate his guts.

It seems to me it is just wishful thinking, that the Republican nominee won't be so bad, if we lose.

[windbreeze]

23. here's one who doesn't

think, believe, feel or any other type of emotion that McCain is going to be the Rep...nominee...he is NOT going to be...call me crazy, but my belief is that it will be Jeb...this bunch is NOT going to take a chance letting anyone outside the "family" know, or take a chance on someone screwing up what * has been doing all these years he sat in the oval office...
windbreeze

[ruggerson]

19. I think you're right

though I'm totally fine with Warner getting the nod.

I've been saying for months now that the '08 nominee will be a fresh face, with the possible exception of Edwards. That doesn't sit well with the Kerry/Gore crowd, but that's our ticket back to power, imho.

[snowbear]

25. Ruggy... you think he's entirely right about which part....

..That it's plausible that the Dems could pick up enough seats come election night?

..Or that it's plausible he patches things up with the S/O and winds up gettng it what he completely ruled out getting tonight?

Dayum, are we up late or what? ZZzzzzzzz!

[no_hypocrisy]

7. They won't. They are a semi-permanent part of the political process.

What has to happen in 2008 is for the republicans to either purge themselves of the neocons or exile them to a peripheral role in the party. What the democrats have to do is to build alliances one representative and senator at a time with MODERATE republicans to push the neocons to the side and a new coalition will be established.

Yes, there is damage to repair in the economy, the Middle East, the federal deficit, etc. but repair starts with marginalization of the necons and making them political pariahs. The Supreme Court will remain perilously uncertain, but at least it won't necessarily become pro-business and anti-civil and fundamental rights.

My proposal is not going to be easy to implement, but I believe it would be effective in meeting long-term goals of rebuilding everything damaged since 2001.

[alvarezadams]

8. Oh, thery're going someplace?

IF the GOP moves out we are likely to see the DLC move in.

And the DLC is most definitely neocon to the point of signing PNAC manifestos.

The Bradleys and the Olins can rest easy, they're covering all contingencies.

[Totallybushed]

10. Well, what with

Diebold, disenfranchisment of blacks, etc., why should they be having to leave?

It seems to me that people are conflicted around here. Some say we have to "frame" our issues better to reach the voters with the information they need. some say we need to modify some of our issues to appeal to the "moderate" voters.

Some say, "Woe, woe, woe, the election will be stolen no mater what we do". Sometimes these are people who alreaady have another idea about what we should do.

And they may right. Unless steps are taken to eliminate electoral fraud of all kinds, the properly elected President may never take office.

[liberalitch]

12. I actually predict some scattered violence.... if we win.

[Dinger]

14. Yup (nt)

[liberalitch]

15. let's play a little "Clue".... what do you think?

I predict Ohio vote certification riots.... oh, oh and pushing/shoving type things at the polls.

Pre-election.... when they KNOW they're going DOWN..... violence against campaign workers/ candidate supporters.

[saltpoint]

13. Public perception of U.S. foreign policy under Dubya has at last

begun to turn. It took too long, but a majority now feel Iraq was a grievous lapse in judgment by a stubborn, incompetent man.

Condi Rice is supposed to be at the helm at the State Department but my impression is that she's cultivating a fashion image and is disinterested in world peace.

I agree that PNAC folks would like to see more of the same in the Middle East but we don't have the troops and public opinion has soured.

[dand]

16. Republicans will fight to the last fanatic,

Diebold machines, crooked officials, corrupt Judges, it ain't going to be pretty, but the fuckers are going DOWN.

[Joe Bacon]

17. Jeb Bush will be the 2008 GOP nominee IF...

If we have an election. Pat of me is :scared: thinking Bush may proclaim martial law.

[snowbear]

26. It would also be the start of a massive U,S, civil war...

A little secret for you ~ : America cannot/will not go for a THIRD BUSH.

Three words ~ Tain't Gonna Happen.

So don't worry, ok?

[Eric J in MN]

18. Another crooked election.

Voting machines withheld from black neighborhoods.

Touchscreen machines calibrated such that people touch the name of the Democrat and the Republican comes up.

[ChipsAhoy]

21. Scary stuff, Eric!

I hope you're wrong, but I think Diebold will still have a negative influence this time around. Hope not.

[rep the dems]

20. I had a weird dream last night which involved me being

Chief of Staff to the President and then becoming Veep (the president was Mike Novick from 24 :shrug: ) and later on I was back as my old self and it was 2008. The presidential nominees were...

Mark Warner and...


Mitt Romney.

Weird huh? I think Warner would stand a decent chance at getting the nomination, and probably could win in the general election, but I can't imagine Mitt Romney being the pug's choice. I'll think about their nominee later.

[snowbear]

27. Warner..... perhaps.

But Republicans selecting a Mormon in the WH?

...What did you eat before going to bed?

A Virginia Ham and a Brigham Young burger?

[rep the dems]

28. I have no idea.

I didn't remember it immediately, but when I did I thought to myself..."Mitt Romney?"

[CK_John]

22. The "new Saviors" are coming.

I believe we will witness the rise of new political and powerful force
that claims to apolitical and will begin with the best of intentions.

This group will be pro-science, pro-practical, pro-futuristic, and pro-global.

It will be backed by "good" people but quickly become a cult. A haven for every quack science group and con artist.

This group will spread faster than MySpace and destroy whats left of
our political system. It will use the Gates Foundation as its piggy bank and turn to guys like Mark Cuban for shills to provide easy answers to complex problems and Mayor Bloomberg for political correct leadership.

I think '08' will be fundies (22%), Dem & ReP together (35%) and the
"New Saviors" group at 43%.

[klyon]

29. Hopeful this time they will get caught

cuz you know they will stuff the box and flip the box and lock out the box and all the other dirty tricks they always pull:
purge the rolls
jam the phone lines
loose voter registration