DNC raised far more than the DSCC or the DCCC. Don't let them spin us.

[madfloridian]

It is amazing how they spin it that Howard Dean is a poor fundraiser. This is a record for the DNC in a non-presidential year.

Democratic National Cmte $95,543,172
Republican National Cmte $176,283,310

House Party Committees

Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte $80,806,205
National Republican Congressional Cmte $115,468,183

Senate Party Committees

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte $77,193,131
National Republican Senatorial Cmte $65,934,939

Totals based on data released by the FEC on Friday, September 15, 2006.

True, the DNC does not have as much money banked. But it is most definitely not a fundraising problem. Don't let them say that.

http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/index.asp

If they want to gripe about where he is spending the money, fine with me. I would like to gripe about the choices the DCCC and DSCC have made in candidates to whom they give money. But don't let them tell you he is a poor fundraiser.

[Why Syzygy]

1. How come the pukes

have so much more $$ than we do? Does it pay to be one?

[madfloridian]

3. They have always had more money than Democrats.

And I would rather they keep on having that advantage if all we can do is turn to donors who don't have the people's interest at heart.

Once we have our ground game set up, we can win without so much expense. It will take time but it is starting.

[w4rma]

12. People give money to the RNC to make money off laws that they hope

the corporatists pass. Then they give some of the money they made to pass more laws to make more money to pass more laws, etc. (i.e. give away public land to clear cut the forests on it. give away leeses for free on public land to drill for oil on it. get money to build crap in Iraq but never build the crap.)

However, there aren't many folks who will becoming ultra-wealthy by promoting Democratic policies, although many many people will be able to move up from the lower class to the middle class and better.

[stuartrida]

14. Rich people and corporations love Republicans.

[nickshepDEM]

2. The RNC/DNC gap is scary. And why is Dean refusing to give

Rahm the money he needs for his GOTV/Microtargeting plan? I read this in a WaPo article a couple weeks ago.

[madfloridian]

4. They did set up an agreement. Dean wants a say in where money goes.

I agree with that 100%.

[madfloridian]

5. Rahm has a job, Dean has a job. Dean is giving in some.

But Rahm doesn't have to give money to the DNC, why doesn't it work both ways?

[Why Syzygy]

6. haven't seen you for awhile madfloridian ..

glad you keep up with this and inform us. Thanks for posting.

[madfloridian]

7. You are welcome. I get tired of spin.

:hi:

[wndycty]

8. Can we end the the DNC v. DSCC v. DCCC Civil War?

We have an election to win in 2 months. Democratic party Civil War is fine in the primaries but going into the election we need to worry about winning, this pissing match must stop, I don't care who started it, we must all put it aside for the next two months.

[madfloridian]

9. I will if they will.

No one should get away with dissing someone when facts prove otherwise.

Don't worry about it.

[wndycty]

10. You worry about the Civil War, I worry about winning in November. . .

I'm not at all surprised that rather than focusing on victory in November you are more concerned with fighting other Democrats. I'm backing all Democrats who are representing our party in November regardless of if they had the backing of the DLC, DCCC, DSCC, PDA, DFA, progressives, moderates, et al.

A vigorous fight in the primary is valued but now its about victory not infighting. You can keep this up if you want, but it says a lot about you and your character.

[madfloridian]

15. Hey, guess what...

I don't care. I have seen 3 articles this week where Dem officials are declaring Dean as being a poor fundraiser. I am showing it is out of line.

[nickshepDEM]

18. Well, not totally out of line.

Afterall, the RNC has nearly double the amount of cash as the DNC.

Hillary Clinton for DNC Chair - That girl can raise some money. :)

[wndycty]

19. Dude, why antagonize?

This aint about Dem v. Dem its about winning in November.

[madfloridian]

21. Winning while lying, calling someone a poor fundraiser...is not winning.

Not at all.

[wndycty]

22. Sitting in the corner pouting, while sucking ones thumb is not the way . .

. . .win.

[madfloridian]

23. That's a shame wndycty, that you think it is ok to misrepresent things

like that. That's just a shame. I am so used to being made fun of here, that I don't even care about insults anymore.

I just read the Newsweek article with the audio that calls Dean incompetent.

I hope others will at least care enough to ask for the truth and not make fun of those who tell it.

[wndycty]

25. Yes sit in the corner and pout and do nothing to help Dems in November. .

. . .as long as Howard does not get the respect you feel he deserves. Its the same tired line you have been running since 2004. I can't wait to see you demand that Dean/PDA/DFA get all the credit should Duckworth win in the Illinois 6th. Now is the time for us to put the petty battles from the primary behind us. Howard Dean is the chairman of the DNC, Rahm the head of the DCCC and Schumer the head of the DSCC, all three are my leaders as I look to November.

[madfloridian]

43. Why did you mention Duckworth in this thread? I don't understand.

That sounds rather odd.

As to respect, people have to earn it. And when some make innuendos about someone being a fundraising failure, then someone needs to tell the truth.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

[Why Syzygy]

48. I will never understand

why Howard Dean continues to be a lightening rod. Of course I never understood in the first place.
But shees, people, he is on OUR SIDE. If we want to call for UNITY? Shouldn't it begin at home?

[nickshepDEM]

26. I didnt mean to antagonize. The facts are right in front of us.

And Im 100% w/ you on winning in November. Just as much as anyone on this board and anyone across the country. Im putting my time in... in the trenches.

[wndycty]

28. Yes we are all Democrats. . .

. . .Democratic affiliation (DLC, DSCC, DCCC, PDA, DFA, Yellow Dog, Blue Dog, etc.) are meaningless between now and November.

[madfloridian]

20. Don't worry, she will get whatever she wants.

If she wants chair, she'll get it.

If she wants majority leader, or minority leader, she'll get it.

If she wants nomination for president, she'll get it.

And everyone will still be jumping on me because I am telling the truth about who raised the most money.

It is amazing how people just spin and spin and spin and make fun of those who tell it as it is.

Having fun yet?

[texpatriot2004]

11. Howard Dean Rocks! Thanks for showing us the money trail nt

[madfloridian]

49. Thanks for saying something pleasant.

:hi:

[texpatriot2004]

56. Hey, no problem, Dean is wonderful in my book

:patriot:

[Eric J in MN]

13. The RNC raised almost twice as much as the DNC.

Maybe if donations to the national parties were limited to a hundred bucks per person, instead of $26,700 per person, we would have a similar amount of money.

[madfloridian]

16. DNC also responsible for winning State Houses and building structure..

Just saying this to show that the DNC has widespread responsibilities.

I get tired of spin.

The others don't have to worry about state level elections or building the party.

"The Democratic National Committee
The Democratic National Committee plans the Party's quadrennial presidential nominating convention; promotes the election of Party candidates with both technical and financial support; and works with national, state, and local party organizations, elected officials, candidates, and constituencies to respond to the needs and views of the Democratic electorate and the nation."

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/ourorganization.html

[CarlVK]

17. The DSCC and DCCC are splintering the Great Effort

by the types of candidates they are promoting.

On first glance you might be tempted to say "hell it's all going to the same effort so why worry?" But on closer inspection you can see that its almost like three different Democratic Parties being pushed to the finish line.

Will we EVER be able to unify - however briefly, and however necessarily - to unseat these clowns in the GOP?

[madfloridian]

24. See what I mean? For posting the fundraising truth...I get attacked.

Now that's a pathetic thing for anyone in our party to do.

No, not whining, just waiting for someone to say I am. Now that would really be pathetic.

Our party should be all working together and not telling untrue things about each other.

[wndycty]

27. You get attacked for looking for a reason to be unhappy even though. . .

. . .Rahm and Howard have patched things up and moved on to victory. Try being happy for change it helps.

[madfloridian]

29. You are mad because I posted the truth.

I told the truth, you are being ugly because I told the truth about fundraising.

Now that is truly pathetic and it has nothing to do with Rahm, or Dean, or anyone ....it has to do with the truth.

I am utterly amazed at this.

[wndycty]

30. No, I'm not afraid of the truth. I just think its silly to complain. . .

. . .that Howard Dean is not getting enough love when they are bigger issues (such as winning in November) to confront. Question, if we sweep everything and Howard does not get the love you want will you be unhappy? If we loose everything but Howard gets the love you want would you be happy?

[madfloridian]

31. I see you started another thread.

Because I told the truth when he has been lied about.

That a sad thing.

[Why Syzygy]

36. So are you saying?

That we shouldn't love the one who brings money, which is needed for the victory you claim to want, into the Party? The guy who brings the beer gets a cold shoulder? Would you do that in RL? Some would. Life can be brutal. That doesn't mean it's a good thing.

[wndycty]

37. Not at all. . .however where are our priorities 2 months out. . .

. . .winning elections or bickering over who should get credit for bringing in money.

[madfloridian]

42. Telling the truth about fundraising other Dems are lying about....

that was my priority in this post.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

And I sure never expected to be attacked like this or have another thread started in response, which may be against the board rules.

[Why Syzygy]

45. I didn't see a call for bickering until you showed up.

And it is absolutely imperative that we have competent fund raising capabilities. Those people are valuable to us. So I can only surmise that you have another axe to grind.

Credit due where credit is due. What's wrong with that?

[madfloridian]

32. Wow, it's pretty obvious where things stand here.

I get it. And very loudly...thanks so much.

Just remember the next time someone disses the DNC on TV that it was not important truth.

Gotcha.

See how it's done, folks? When someone tells an uncomfortable truth after a week of spin....it is so easy to make them look foolish. Isn't it?

[madfloridian]

33. Yep, Madfloridian, unity before truth.

It is ok that a man get dissed unfairly as long as we are unified, Madfloridian...don't you see that?

[wndycty]

34. I'm enjoying watching you have a conversation with yourself. . .

Do you ever argue with yourself? LOL

[madfloridian]

35. Well, unity is on greatest page, while truth is made fun of.

And called names.

[madfloridian]

38. I sure did not expect I would be attacked for posting this.

Sometimes I am utterly amazed. I did not attack anyone, just demanded they tell the truth about fundraising.

I have learned a lot in this thread about where things stand, about what things are important to the people overall. And it makes me stop and think a lot.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

[CarlVK]

39. There is some sputtering support for the old DLC Guard

which is probably what's behind many of the posts here. Don't worry, they are history and they know it. I only wish we coordinated all this verve into one, singular and powerful pipeline.

At times, Democratic efforts remind me of the scene in Monty Pythons "Life of Brian", where all the various groups trying to free Judea from the Romans are gathered at a daytime gladiator event, and are hurling epithets at each other from the bleachers.

What a joke.

[madfloridian]

40. What makes me really angry

is that someone, some party leader will go on TV and repeat the spin. And if I call them on it, it is my fault for causing dissension.
That needs to stop. A party can not operate with out truth and people who care about it.

[Upfront]

57. I'm with you Mad

Tell it like it is. I don't like it when they still lie to screw Dean. Unreal.

[madfloridian]

41. And another whole thread was started because of this and going strong.

I am tired of calls for unity when telling the truth is considered divisive.

Very tired of it.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

[madfloridian]

55. Two whole threads started.

I don't think my post deserved such disdain. I really don't.

Tells me a lot.

[Why Syzygy]

46. don't jump, Madfloridian.

Amazed is okay, but don't desert. No one has the scoop on where things stand. People make me think a lot too. That is what separates us from the destroyers with only that focus. They want to destroy us. And sometimes humans go off at the mouth without thinking. Give people permission to do that. Strange that we are the only animal on the planet given the right to speech.

We have to assume we are all in this together. Never give up. Take the wounds over and lick them and get some healing attention. But come back to the battle. You are a strong warrior and I know I, for one, am much better off for having your input.

[madfloridian]

47. Thanks.

We work too hard locally and statewide to not do what we must do.

I guess sometimes one thinks about the future of things when being honest about each other is not important.

Thanks for the nice comments.

[madfloridian]

44. I guess I just really realized.

How significant it is to post this and have it attacked. Color me naive. I thought it mattered.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/282

[Greyhound]

53. They're just scared that not enough people outside the DU bubble

are going to vote for the "We suck less" strategy that Rahm & Friends have decided we will follow.

Don't take it personally and don't forget they're going to need us sooner than they think. :toast:

[wyldwolf]

50. who is spinning this?

I've seen no spin that the DNC had raised less.

[wyldwolf]

51. How many times are you going to respond to your own OP...

... and say you are being attacked?

I count 4 so far...

[madfloridian]

52. More than 4, I was stunned I was attacked for posting the truth.

I still am.

I believe in being honest and crediting everyone when they do well, even though it is being spun.

I feel sad for the way some of our leaders are acting, like big shots...and hurting others in the party who care.

[Totally Committed]

54. Thanks for posting that!

Makes me a whole lot better to know that is so.

TC