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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:50 PM
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Rats leaving the sinking ship - Final post on RedState
Folks, this is my last post on RedState. The simple fact is that for the last two years I think all of us have worked very hard, for free, to try to bolster a Republican majority that hasn't deserved our support. I've given hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours of my time, and I'm deeply ashamed of having been a part of this movement, and I think that Dave Winer of Scripting News has it right...

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/kowalski/2006/oct/03/final_post_on_redstate


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:52 PM
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1. Buh Bye now.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:53 PM
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2. There goes one disillusioned dude.......
:evilgrin:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:51 AM
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25. i was starting to respect him until i read him dissing Democrats
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 03:53 PM
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3. Hell At Least Some Of Them GET It.....
Most freeps are like Lucy with the football..."value voting" against their own interests time and time again to make these crooks and liars richer. They're the biggest suckers alive!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:05 PM
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5. Some? A teeeeeeeeny tiny minority, I'm afraid.
Check out those responses.

This scandal won't chase away many votes, I'm afraid... these people seem to be 99.9999999% dittoheads... no thought at all required, let alone critical thought.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:52 AM
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26. morals is not driving them - i think its something else
- tax cuts - but they don't understand they're not going to benefit from them
- hatred for others (more likely)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:10 PM
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32. Hatred or resentment...
Not sure what it is exactly, but it's ugly and stupid.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:37 PM
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34. agreed.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:31 AM
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29. Ha!! Freeps are Charlie Brown, continually getting punked by Lucy...
... when she pulls the football out.

Great image.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:04 PM
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4. Unbelievable...
that thread is SHOCKING in its stupidity.

This part really jumped out at me...

"I thought Republicans were supposed to do better -- they're supposed to be the Professional Managerial Caste, you know, the people who know how to make operations work and work more efficiently."

Frickin' unbelievable... they mismanage every damn thing into the ground... and this guy persists in wanting to believe the pack of lies he's been sold.

So sad...
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:37 PM
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11. Did you see the one that thought that China
was borrowing from us?

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:40 AM
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24. No, but it doesn't surprise me...
I spent a wasted few days posting on a republican site... openly as a Dem... and in their attempts at "debates", I was told such ridiculous crap as 'the federal government doesn't subsidize oil companies'.

Calling them simply 'willfully ignorant' is really a torturous exercise in grace and restraint.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:07 PM
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6. Good. It sounds like that person may be beginning to understand the world
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 04:13 PM by w4rma
a little bit better.

Unfortunately the person's brainwashed right-wing "friends" all responded as jerks who avoided every single point he made.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:10 PM
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7. Poor Dorothy.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:14 PM
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8. It took this long for the dumb ass to realize he's been duped?
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:30 PM
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9. good luck to you
i'm sorry that your friends are being so brutal. They forget that "the party" isnt the most important thing, it's "the country" that is the most important thing..
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:20 PM
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10. Better late than never, I suppose. n/t
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:40 PM
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12. hey, if you read on down, I kinda like kowalski.
he really rams bush down the page. after delay...
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:33 PM
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13. It's not like he has reconsidered his loathsome ideology, though
"I'm disgusted with this side, but that doesn't mean I'm supporting the other side. I know they'd do even worse, but the problem is that it can *always* get worse."

If he actually thinks the Democrats would do WORSE, he's an ignorant, stupid fool. So he's not as brainwashed as the others - so what? He's still an ignorant, stupid fool. Let him vote Libertarian or stay home, and help us win.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 08:20 PM
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15. when you're right, you're right.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:33 AM
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21. But maybe he will seek out the truth now
This was a 'last straw' moment for him. It's apparent that he's known for some time that Republicans have completely abandoned allegedly 'Republican economic values' - if in fact they ever really had such values. But what he doesn't realize is that Democrats have the best record of serving 'Republican economic values'.

Democratic Superiority, by the Numbers
By Michael Kinsley
April 3, 2005


The party with the best record of serving Republican economic values is the Democrats. It isn't even close.

We all want prosperity, oppose unemployment, dislike inflation, don't enjoy paying taxes, etc. These values are Republican only in the sense that Republicans are supposed to treasure them more and to be more reluctant to sacrifice them for other goals such as equality and clean air.

Statistics back to 1959 make this clear. A consistent pattern over 45 years cannot be explained by shorter-term factors, such as war or who controls Congress. Maybe presidents can't affect the economy much, but the assumption that they can and do is so prominent in Republican rhetoric that they are stuck with it. So consider:

Federal spending (aka "big government"): It has gone up an average of about $50 billion a year under presidents of both parties. But that breaks down as $35 billion a year under Democratic presidents and $60 billion under Republicans. If you assume that it takes a year for a president's policies to take effect, Democrats have raised spending by $40 billion a year and Republicans by $55 billion.

Leaning over backward even farther, let's start our measurement in 1981, the date when many Republicans believe that life as we know it began. The result: Democrats still have a better record at smaller government. Republican presidents added more government spending for each year they served, whether you credit them with the actual years they served or with the year that followed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20059-2005Apr1.html
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:16 AM
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23. Republicans: better for individual business. Dems: better for U.S.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:16 PM
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33. Seems to me that America did pretty darn well
Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 12:16 PM by bmbmd
for all those years Democrats controlled both houses of Congress.
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mirabeau Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:57 PM
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14. A few of them even....
...pointed out that Clinton balanced the budget and created a surplus.

Here's an enlightened soul:

You say the Democrat agenda is to cut funding for the war in Iraq and raise taxes.

OK. I get that. And I agree with you.

We disagree, however, over whether those are good things or not.

Somebody's gotta get the budget back in line - and it sure isn't going to be the current crop of Republicans. They've had unrestrained power to do it if they wanted, and shown absolutely no interest. So if it takes a tax increase and cutting funding for the war, then that's what it takes.

And frankly, I won't be too upset about cutting funding for the war. Bush lost it a long time ago. He had his chance to do it right, but his people wouldn't go balls to the wall and do a proper war. Whether they were too confident, too foolish, or too worried about public opinion back home, they screwed it up. And now it's so far out of control that it's beyond saving. But that's another argument for another day.

The point is, if you want to balance the budget then it's gonna require the Democrats to be elected. They might be the ones to do it - they might not be. But I can gaurantee you that after 2 years under Democrat rule, Republicans will wise up and right the ship - they'll learn how to restrain their spending if that's what's required to re-take the House.

It's like any basketball team - sometimes you need a loss to motivate you

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:05 AM
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28. some rough semblance of rationality--maybe some of them can be reached
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:12 PM
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16. You've been had





But you're not alone.


BushCo has been doing it to the rest of the country for six years.




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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:16 PM
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17. uh, which scandal was it that . . .

finally, or perhaps fatally, wadded his panties?

foley?
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:33 PM
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18. The fighting 101st Keyboarders take a hit!
He's down! He's not getting up! Some other brave soul must leap into the breach! Damn those commie bastards! They killed kowalski!
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:37 PM
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19. They killed Kowalski ????



"Oh Shit!"

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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:28 AM
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20. Good bye, you disgusting little monster.
You were fine with the torture, the lies that caused us to start a war of aggression, the death of habeas corpus, the treasonous betrayal of a CIA agent working to keep us safe from nuclear-armed terrorists...but one pedophile was too much for you?

You're just running because you're afraid some of the slime will get on you.

But you know what? It already did. You are a Republican. Get used to being considered too filthy to trust.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 03:42 AM
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22. It's October, Karl. Surprise!!!
Holy disillusionment, Batman! If anyone thinks Pagegate isn't a significant truning point against repukes, they haven't read that message thread at RedState. Notice, they're starting to admit things they have actually known for some time: Junior's Iraq adventure is a disaster, the attack on civil liberties, deficit spending like never before in our history, DeLay engineering the Schiavo fiasco, one scandal after the other, cronyism, etc, etc.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:56 AM
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27. "Republican Fatigue" setting in.
Finally.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:43 AM
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30. Sweet!
K & R
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:06 PM
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31. Another soul saved!
n/t
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 01:53 PM
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35. check out the link at the editor's note
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