What will a Lieberman victory in Ct. mean?

[Cascadian]

I don't like what is happening over there. Lamont is suppose to be one of the saviors of the Democratic Party. So-called Democrat now so-called independent Joe Lieberman is moving up in the polls. All I think of is this. If Holy Joe does win, I expect him to be even more conservative than he was before his primary loss. He'll want to teach those Democrats who voted against him or endorsed Lamont a lesson. At the same time, I can see him reclaiming the "D" at the end of his name. If that happens, then he is more of a worm than I thought he would be.

Wake up, Nutmeggers. Holy Joe is winning. It's time for Lamont to push forward!










John

[eleny]

1. I read here today on DU that Ned has inched up a bit in a poll

Maybe the momentum is starting back his way!

[MrCoffee]

2. It would mean that a majority of CT's general electorate prefer Joe.

What happens after that is entirely up to the Democratic leadership. I'm having a change of heart about Joe's indy run. Why shouldn't he run? He's got the backing, the organization, and the money to make an independent run. Just because we (Democrats) don't like it doesn't mean he shouldn't do it. And if the majority of CT voters agree with him, and vote him into another term, then we are wrong in our assessment.

All that aside, if he does win, he should be utterly ostracized by the Democratic leadership in the Senate. Let him turn Repuke, it won't be a big stretch for him. He left the Democratic party after he lost the primary and ran as an independent. The Senate Democrats don't owe him a damn thing.

[Autumn Colors]

7. Or they're setting up the spin for the new machines....

We're switching over to new voting machines this election. Maybe they're just setting up the press so the manipulation of the vote counts won't be so obvious....

My town (Monroe) is using optical scanners this year.

[greeneyedboy]

3. "would", not "will". it ain't over yet.

[eallen]

4. Not much. He's a long-time, popular incumbent.

Lamont's primary win sent a clear message to Democrat Congressmen: cozying up to Bush is dangerous. Even if Lieberman wins the general election, he would have preferred not to have done it this way.

[mac56]

5. It will mean (or confirm) that Lieberman doesn't give...

a flying fuck about the will of Connecticut Democrats and the primary process.

Silly rules are for mere mortals, not for him.

[Poppyseedman]

6. You first mistake is thinking

"Lamont is suppose to be one of the saviors of the Democratic Party"

Lamont basically has one one primary election against a veteran political opponent with less then half the registered democrats voting statewide.

Even if Lamont wins, which I seriously doubt will happen, he will virtually be powerless in the new Senate as a new and jr. member.

Where as Joe L. was a ranking member and if we win the Senate we would have needed him for future votes.

Burnt bridges aren't easy to cross.

....and they call the GOP the "stupid party"

[mac56]

8. Do I understand this correctly?

Do you really think that burning a bridge to Lieberman - e.g., him becoming an independent - is a huge and profound loss to the Democratic party?

Seems to me he hasn't been a real Dem for years now, and his loss is our gain.

What am I not understanding here? A sincere question from a seeker of wisdom and truth.

[Poppyseedman]

11. When Lieberman wins and isn't attached to the democratic party

purse strings because he is now an independent, we will see just how "a huge and profound loss to the Democratic party" he is. My bet it will be devastating

I can't wait to hear the wailing and gashing of teeth when he doesn't fall in line on important votes we need in the Senate which will be at least very close to evenly split or slight rethug advantage.

Though Joe may be a democratic "light" we have forever lost the ability to get Joe to toe the party line. We will pay for our folly in burning that bridge. We have already pegged him a DINO, what will stop him from even switching parties?

Anybody who thought Lamont could win in the general election over Lieberman isn't paying attention or lives in la la land.

[mac56]

14. I think it'll hurt Joe more than it hurts the Dems.

Besides, when did he ever "toe the party line" lately?

We just don't need him as badly as you think we do.

[MrCoffee]

9. Here's my question...

Is it fair to assume that those who did vote in CT's Democratic primary knew Joe's record, his senority, his status, and chose Lamont anyway?

My point is that the Democratic primary voters of CT don't want Joe to represent CT. Which is entirely their decision. Now that he's running as an indy, without the Democratic nomination, we should just accept "sore loser" as a valid reason for his decision and welcome him back?

[Poppyseedman]

12. Who says he's asking to be welcomed back into the fold ?

He just may like his independent status. He can now play BOTH sides to his likings

Didn't think about that did you?

[MrCoffee]

18. He said it.

He's stated over and over that he'll keep caucusing with the Democrats, and that he expects nothing to change.

He's posturing himself as an independent solely to get around the primary defeat. Everything I've read indicates that he intends to go back to the status quo on Nov 8.

[SpreadItAround]

10. I still have yet to meet anyone here in CT who plans on voting for Joe

So I don't know who they're polling but it sure isn't me or anyone in my circle.

[Awsi Dooger]

13. It will mean he got lucky and took advantage of a very rare situation

A non-factor Republican in a major senate race. That's where Lieberman's edge comes from. Just stick a 20% Republican in place of Schlesinger and all of a sudden the polling is dead even or slightly in Lamont's favor.

I'm glad there hasn't been as much preoccupation on this race as I feared. The math simply works out in Lieberman's favor.

If he wins, yeah Lieberman will be even more of a pain in the ass than ever. I've got a lot of money bet on Lieberman at bargain odds in this race, only slightly worse than even money, but trust me I'm rooting for Lamont and to forfeit my bets. I do that dozens of times per year, betting against my favorite sports teams but rooting for them, so it's not an adjustment or shock to my system at all.

The best outcome of all would be a Lieberman poll lead and expected victory then somehow Lamont pulls it out by narrowest margin, and Lieberman desperately squirms to reverse the outcome with a recount or court room tactics, but falls just short. I would savor that for decades.

[Totally Committed]

15. To me, it will mean that we, the voters, mean nothing to the

Democratic Party Business-as-Usual leadership (except for Dean, who will probably be bounced if Joe wins, because the business-as-usuals will feel they can.) Feeling that they also managed to silence the netroots and put us in our place, they will nominate Clinton (or some other DNC DINO) for President, and give us our usual choice of the lesser of two evils YET AGAIN. More of the same. Nothing will change. Lieberman will act like and even bigger pr*ck than he is already, because he'll know he's and invincibke pr*ck who has his job for life if he wants it.

TC

[Cascadian]

16. If that happens then what will happen to the Democratic Party?

I cannot see how people are going to tolerate this DLC Dino nonsense any longer. The only person that pulled it off for the DLC was Bill Clinton but he got help from Ross Perot in 1992 and in 1996, Bob Dole was the only viable candidate that the GOP could choose plus we were doing better economically. Guess what? Bill ain't coming back! The Democrats MUST change course and get rid of these DINO Neocon-enabling nitwits and do-nothings in our ranks. I am glad there are people like Howard Dean, Ned Lamont, Jim McDermott, Dennis Kucinich, John Conyers, Barbara Boxer, and Russ Feingold to keep our hopes alive. Without them and those on the progressive wing, the TRUE Democratic wing of the party, the Democrats would be nothing but a cheap, lite imitation of the Republicans. What scares me is that they might just succeed in taking the whole party over and rid the party of it's lefties and liberals. I am convinced that's what the DLCers and their cohorts want.

John

[SteppingRazor]

17. Overall, a Lieberman over Lamont victory will mean little, IMHO...

Joe needs the Democrats just as much as the Democrats need Joe. He can't caucus with Republicans, or vote often with them, and expect to be re-elected in 2012.