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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:53 PM
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"They have a strategy that will keep America at war" Wes Clark
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 05:59 PM by Tom Rinaldo
Damn I like how Clark frames the Republican position with that line. Actually the whole quote from Clark is:

"They don't have a strategy that will keep America safe. They have a strategy that will keep America at war and make us less safe," as reported by AP and picked up by this local paper in Alabama where Clark is now campaigning for Democrats running for Congress:

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/local/15743686.htm

How is that for boiling the National Security debate down to basics and throwing the fear card back in the Republicans face? I would love to see more Democrats pick up on this line, and even shorten it to just:

"We have a strategy to keep America safe. They have a strategy that will keep America at war."

(On edit) Or reverse it maybe: "They have a strategy that will keep America at war. We have a strategy to keep America safe.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:08 PM
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1. Watch his entire speech
You will be left speechless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8aOiMmekGk
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:08 PM
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2. What fools the Dem party would be not to have Clark on the 2008 tiicket!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:04 PM
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9. He should run, then. And win the primary.
Gore, Clark and Edwards are my top 3 favorites.
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 01:03 PM
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19. Me, too n/t
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 05:51 PM
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30. If I were making a list of only 3, those would be the ones.
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yebrent Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:10 PM
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3. I found this part humorous:

"The tour began Thursday in Auburn, where he said he met some wonderful people but that didn't change his mind about not wanting to apply for the presidency of Auburn University."

"Republican Gov. Bob Riley called Clark recently in New York to encourage him to apply."

Republican's trying to keep Clark on the sidelines. Not gonna happen. He's been all over the Country helping bring back a Dem majority.

Will he have created enough chips to cash in for a 2008 run?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:12 PM
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4. That's a 5 digit question that starts with 60.
I sure hope so.
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Ladydawnelle Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:33 PM
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7. All this Clark Happy talk is making me
do a little Happy Dance!!!

He is so perfect for the position. I've never stopped believing. I was upset at first about his going to FOX News at first and then realized he's sooooooo slick...... he's like a TRUE FOX in the FAUX FOX Hen house!

Able to stand up to the insane rantings of O'Lielly, etc! Takes some CAST IRON BALZ for that job! But I'm sure he's had worse.

Just LOVE HIM!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:28 PM
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5. Actually Clark has the perfect part time gig now at UCLA
Very flexible, gives him an office in southern California and some staff, helps him sponsor an annual conference on National Security issues etc. Last month he dropped in and taught a one day seminar on American policy regarding torture and the Geneva Convention. He got to spend some time with some students and got LA Times coverage for blasting Bush to boot.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:31 PM
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6. Thanks for the story, Tom.
I don't get it why everyone doesn't get it. Wes Clark breaks down issues just as easily as Clinton did and speaks in clear sentences.

And while I am at it, why is Clark always excluded from national polls about potential 2008 candidates?
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:01 PM
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8. Corporate media has always tried to downplay Clark
as much as possible. I still remember how deliberate and coordinated it felt to me during the '04 campaign. I remember when he and Lieberman were both campaigning in NY, he was surging and Joe was tanking. I remember that NPR used to run segments covering Lieberman's campaign but not Clark's. I remember how, during the debates, they would direct serious foreign policy questions to Sharpton, and just kept asking Clark if he wasn't really a Republican. And on and on. :banghead:

Now you've gone and brought back a bunch of bad memories.:)
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:26 PM
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12. Yeah, I always felt that Clark got the most questions on gay marriage. n/t
He had much to say about "Don't Ask Don't Tell", which he didn't think was working; but the pundits always thought the gay marriage question was more fun.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:22 PM
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25. Well he's ideal presidential material
Which makes him dangerous to insiders. And since the CIA killed Kennedy(S) there have only been insiders in the White House, with the exception of Carter and...possibly Clinton.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge war as the US's #1 business is going to be public enemy #1. Particularly when the anyone is a real soldier who knows what national defense should be about, as opposed to what the PNAC chicken hawks have made it about.

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:04 PM
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10. Interesting, isn't it??
Which also begs the question, "To what extent should we take the MSM's 'advice' or 'wisdom' or 'analysis' on our candidates??"

When they adore a Democrat, I'm more likely NOT to.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:28 PM
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13. Why?
Because Clark would realign the parties by splitting the republican military-southern base. Also, reading his book about what needs to be done, the military industrial complex doesn't want those rocks turned over.

The third reason is more elementary: it is all about the money chase. Who can get it, who has it, and who is willing to play ball.

^^^^^

Wes blogged the other night when he was stuck at an airport. He was taking an answering our questions. The quality of his answers would have taken most candidates a week to compose.

Franken tells the story of talking to a military intelligence officer. He said that Clark had a unique way of giving briefings. He would take all of the questions first, and then answer all of them with one coherently woven answer. Pretty impressive that one. A cut above the dunderhead currently appearing in a suit at the presidential press conferences.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:14 PM
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11. You're right. The simplified line is a great one!
And I prefer this order:

"We have a strategy to keep America safe. They have a strategy that will keep America at war."

Not sure why. Maybe cuz the war is on peoples' minds, and ending on the word "war" is thus more powerful, speaking to the immediate concern--that Bush wants MORE war.

I wish it were true of all Democrats. I don't think it is. I think we get more Mideast war either way--because war profiteers in the corporate news monopolies and Bushite electronic voting corporations are determining who the candidates are, and only pro-war Democrats are acceptable. That leaves Clark out. (--as it did Dean.) Here is a man who knows what's what, whose been there-in command. And I believe his is barred from office because he really is against this war.

I go way back. My first vote for president was in 1964. I voted for the "peace candidate"--LBJ--that's how they portrayed him. Ten years later: two million dead. For nothing.

Beware of Democrats promising peace.

From this jaded perspective, I would say that Clark is genuinely for ending the Iraq War now. Of the rest of them running for prez, none of them are trustworthy. But I favor the Restoration Ticket: Gore/Kerry '08. I believe that we must restore order. These two were elected by the American people. Their RE-election to the White House would hearten everybody, and release some great creative energies for reform, and for facing the dire crisis of global warming. Hopefully, they will ask Gen. Clark to serve at the Dept. of Defense, or in some other critically important post, such as Alternative Energy Czar, or FEMA (global warming impacts are going to make that job very important--and curses on George Bush for what he has done to that agency. Staggering malfeasnce!).

As to '06, I don't know that a Democratic Congress--with a majority made up of current Dem Congresspeople and added candidates--will mean an end to the war. In fact, it likely will not. That majority will include a significant portion of what I call Bushite Democrats--for instance, those who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus the other week. They will combine with outright Bushites to keep a lid on investigations, reform and withdrawal from Iraq. That's just the way things are, with Diebold and ES&S choosing our candidates and determining outcomes of elections. As DU's Autorank has suggested, the Corporates have split from the Bushites--as evidenced in the corporate news monopolies unleashing a sex scandal on the Bushites four weeks before the election. (5 billionaire CEOs control all news and opinion in the country. They could have put a lid on this. They didn't.) The war and the massive thievery are hurting business apparently (probably global corporate interests, re China, and maybe with the new self-determination movement in South America, which is anti-US corporate. The Bush Junta has done everythng it can to alienate those countries.) So this will not be a genuinely representative Congress, just a bit more representative. Some things can get done--possibly protection of Social Security from a rightwing/Bushite smashup. Possibly progress on undoing some of the worst damage to our economy, including the lack of accountability for money (that is very bad). And maybe some progress on alternative energy and global warming. But don't expect miracles. We have a long way to go to restore transparent elections and real representation.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:22 PM
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15. I believe what you believe.....or most of it anyways.....
The Iraq invasion was always mainly about China and its own surging quest for oil. Control the oil, and you have control over the direction of China's growth.....and it keeps the U.S. as a superpower instead of sidelining it as China and India (hence our "friendship with a Pakistani dictator) continue on their almost faster than light climb to the top of the superpower food chain. Of course, there is a strong likelyhood that China will find a way with or with fossil fuel....and that can't be a reasurring thought for America's current leadership.

I too know that there is a reason that Wes Clark doesn't get the kind of media coverage that say an Edwards or a Bayh or a Hillary might. The same reason, no doubt that Gore won't be allowed to surface through for who he really is, and why Kerry will be sidelined now that he has been put "out of the way". And yes, I am certain that there are some like Clark who are independent agents, and that's not good for certain someones-- Not good for war; not good for the Military Industrial Complex; not good for any of the corporate powers that can only become more enriched through the masses'misery. But yes, even these corporate powers have to give the semblance that all is not in their control, although I do believe that it mostly is, although their power is not yet total....which would explain how we could have a pathological sadistic inarticulate asshole as our leader and still have the masses barely getting that clue after six long years.

Of course that is why all of those considered "top Tier" in both party for 2008 are only those who are willing to play the game; the game of power and what that all means. The Bildenbergers, as I call them.

There has got to be a reason why "some" get press coverage that never uncovers a blemish while others are visibly ignored or smeared like there's no tomorrow; all on cue and singleness of purpose. The only fairness doctrine is that which is determined by those corporate Fives you mention.

I do think that Wes Clark knows the Hill that he is climbing, and he wants as many of us there with him as possible....and I also think that he understands that if nothing else, he can make a difference in the debate that we end up having....here in this country that could be saved if more of us were paying close attention. But I do think that Wes Clark is very much an idealist......and still believes that the mentality that made America possible to begin with is still within us. Wes Clark and a few others realy do think that we still have a small fighting chance to make ourselves heard. But they also understand that the odds are stacked against us, and that with each passing day, the odds become that much smaller.

Clark cannot be Secretary of Defense unless an exception was made. Would it be? Perhaps or perhaps not. Is that the best place for him? I don't know. Under the present circumstances though, the problem is not only that we have to win, we have to have the will to fight to win....and that's why I believe he ran for President the last time; because he is, after everything is said and done--a Soldier from a bigone era (from when America was more often right than wrong) who really does believe in fighting for what he believes in.

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 01:40 PM
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20. The best place for Wes will be as the next prez of the US
but for now I'll temper my enthusiasm until after the congressional elections are won. Honestly, I was only 10 yrs. old when JFK was elected, but I haven't felt so strongly about another democratic candidate since then, until Wes Clark.

What he's accomplished during his campaign for democrats across the country is remarkable, even if largely ignored by the media. He knows better than most, the political and moral significance of the bush wars as it effects our country and our standing in the world community. He's been warning us of the consequences of this immoral and dangerous administration from the begninning and I've been listening. So I'm too old to be anyone's groupie, but wise enough to know a good thing when I see one.







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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:15 PM
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24. Clark has mostly flown under the national media radar for Dems in 06
I am posting this here in reply to your question, but I will probably also make this into its own DU thread.

Ever since Kerry was denied the Presidency, Wes Clark turned his focus to the 2006 Congressional mid term elections. I had the honor to briefly be on a group phone call with Wes Clark early in the Summer of 2005, and Clark was already heavily stressing the importance of these elections back then. Here are some of the things he has done to shape 2006 for a Democratic victory:

Clark helped recruit strong Democratic challengers in States and districts that typically went Republican, candidates like Jim Webb and Eric Massa and many of those now known as "the Fighting Dems". Clark did this for several reasons. First and foremost he knew that Democrats could no longer afford to cede supposedly safe races to Republicans, we had to make Republicans defend districts that they normally took for granted. There are several reasons that Clark saw for that. 1) Clark overall believes in Dean's 50 State strategy, and the only way to ever implement that is to begin to implement it now. 2) Clark foresaw that Bush Administration policies in Iraq and elsewhere were likely to be exposed as disastrous prior to the mid term elections, therefor credible Democrats had to be "pre deployed" so to speak, to be in a position to take advantage of that when it happened. 3) Clark knew that, following their 2002 and 2004 playbooks, Republicans would try to win in 2006 by stoking fear in the public, stressing Bush's "War on Terror ", and calling Democrats weak on National Security and unwilling to protect America from our enemies. To counter that Clark helped recruit strong Democratic veterans who held positions sharply counter to Bush's on Iraq and National Security in general; Men and women who, unlike Bush and Cheney, actually risked their own lives to protect our nation from our enemies.

Clark then provided crucial early support for those candidates, and others who sought his help. In some cases Clark shared staff resources with them, and sometimes he backed them in primary battles, as he did with James Webb. Those who have been active Clark supporters for awhile know of another way in which Clark helped these men and women, who were often first time Democratic candidates. He strongly urged his supporters to become active in their campaigns, and many honored that request and took it upon themselves to do some of the essential nuts and bolts work; to help set up candidate web sites, to do advance candidate support work on the ground for campaign events, to work at helping refine campaign talking points, to help stage local fund raisers, to write letters to local newspapers, and the like. Like I said, below the radar.

Next Clark sought to energize those campaigns on the ground where they actually are being fought. Rather than centralize campaign fund raising through his own political action committee (WesPAC), so he could then act as a king maker doling out funds to those who came looking to him for support, Clark asked his supporters to directly support those candidates, and he prominently maintained information about them and links to their campaign web sites on his own site -www.securingamerica.com Why take that route? In my opinion to encourage direct ties and loyalty between Clark's key supporters and those whom he endorsed, rather than dilute that connection by inserting himself in the middle. Clark then took it a step further. Rather than hold major fundraisers for WesPAC to fill WesPAC's coffers so that WesPAC could write checks to Clark endorsed candidates, Clark down played fund raising for WesPAC. Again, why? This is pretty straight forward, Clark instead committed to a grueling schedule of appearing in person in districts scattered across the nation, often far outside of the major media markets that attract national press pick up coverage.

Usually those appearances by Clark included guest speaking at or actually hosting a fund raiser for those candidates inside their own home districts. Doing it that way builds excitement at the local level, it creates local press coverage, the only type of coverage that most of these candidates are ever going to receive. Doing it that way brought major potential donors into direct contact with the candidates themselves, potential donors who may never have met those candidates personally had they not wanted the opportunity to attend a local event with General Clark present. This is the slow detail oriented way to help little known candidates compete in seldom covered races. The highly centralized manner would have been less grueling on Clark personally. Hosting high profile big ticket fundraisers for his own PAC would have perhaps taken less time, and it would have been more visible to inside the beltway pundits and power brokers. A more centralized approach might have done more for Wes Clark's national profile, but it would have done less for the local profiles of the men and women Wes Clark pledged to support.

Finally Wes Clark has got the Democratic Party's back against Republican assault attacks that Democrats won't keep Americans safe. And once again, much of this too is under the radar, because Clark does much of his work in this regard as a commentator on FOX, not exactly what most Democratic pundits like to spend their evenings watching. But just ask those men and women running for seats in previously safe Republican districts and States, candidates who Wes Clark is directly supporting, how they feel about Clark's appearances on FOX. The voters they have to reach in order to pry loose enough votes THAT WENT TO REPUBLICANS IN 2004 to put them over the top to victory, most of themwatch FOX, and so they watch General Clark lay out a sharp line of attack against George Bush on national security, a line our candidates can then drive home to their local, frequently Republican leaning voters.

None of Clark's work on behalf of Democrats is literally invisible, you can see ample reports about all of this on Clark's own web site. It is of course right out there in public for anyone to see, if they look, but most beltway pundits have tunnel vision. If it's not being talked about by Chris Mathews and Tim Russet, if it's not being written about in the New York Times and the Washington Post, it almost doesn't exist. They aren't reading the local press in Alabama where Clark has most recently been campaigning, but the voters in those Alabama districts do.


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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 04:46 PM
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28. Thank you
I wasn't aware of the entirety of his plan to get democrats elected this year. Very smart reasoning, and it also provides a window into his personality....a very generous and unselfish man.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:53 PM
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14. K & R nm
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:24 PM
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16. Yes, I never liked the "less safe" line. Sounds dumb. Trim it out.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:35 PM
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17. He Says So Much In So Few Words K & R
A powerful candidate and Democratic advocate, a true American patriot!
"All patriot, no act!":patriot:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 07:18 AM
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18. Perpetual war that will bankrupt the US as sure as God made little green
apples in the summertime, then 'pukes can totally renege on social security and Medicare. Only problem is US will then be a third-rate economic power as our entire economy collapses.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 04:22 PM
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27. Mainly State house and senate candidates.....
cause you know that a house needs a strong foundation in order to make it solid!

Gen. Wesley Clark Campaigns for Alabama Democrats
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/local/15743686.htm
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http://www.dothaneagle.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=DEA/MGArticle/DEA_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149191127623&path=!news#rrForm

You have to stand up and set them straight," Clark said to the nearly 200 people gathered in Ozark's Eagle Stadium Thursday night of democratic nay-sayers. "... The republicans are not a party of values. For them it is all about corruption. We're the party of values. And democrats have a record of national security."
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Ozark Mayor Bob Bunting, after offering his service as Clark's Secretary of Defense if elected, said that to have someone like him in Ozark is unbelievable.

Lillie Jarmon, of Ozark, said she came to the fundraiser to get a chance to talk with local candidates and also to hear Clark speak.

"He's such an influential person," Jarmon said of Clark. "It was an honor to get to meet him. I got my picture taken with him. That'll be historic, I hope."

Earlier this year two national Republican leaders came to Dothan for Republican fundraisers - Vice President Dick Cheney charged $5,000 per couple for a meal and earlier this month U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, spoke to about 70 people who contributed at least $100. Thursday's fundraiser with Clark charged $15.

"I feel so honored and thrilled to be here in Ozark, Ala. I have already met some great people," Clark said after the fundraiser. He stayed after speaking for more than an hour talking with attendees, shaking hands and smiling for pictures.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 05:39 PM
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29. Whoops, my response was for Wiley below!
:blush:
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 01:54 PM
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21. Who is he stumping for in Alabama?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 01:57 PM
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22. Clark is alluding to Orwell's permanent war
the gimmick used by 1984's Big Brother to maintain control over the masses.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 02:02 PM
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23. His stamina and commitment are amazing
He's fighting for Democratic candidates all over the place. Nobody's been more active on the ground than The General.

http://securingamerica.com/
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:34 PM
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26. I like the last one...it's perfect.
"They have a strategy that will keep America at war. We have a strategy to keep America safe."

Glad to hear Wes speaking the truth.

How about KO for Clark's press secretary?
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