Goodbye America....from Canada

[Brundle_Fly]

Tuesday 10/17/06 9:15 a.m.

We'll no longer be friends. I will no longer come to visit.

I doubt I'd be welcome anyways. Like most banana republics you probably wont want much in the way of foreign influences inside your country spreading our idealism. The values you used to hold along with us, you have now turned your back on, in the name of your war on terrorism and sudden return to monarchy.

I live about one mile north of your border, in Ontario, Canada, from my window I can see Morristown NY, and I wonder just what the hell is going on in the minds of the people there. Do they really know what is about to change? All the rights they had supposedly held so dear, just scrubbed away, in one swoop of a dictator's pen.

Will some people start to go missing, is being a democrat going to become a crime? Are the more progressive voices going to be branded by state television, as dissenters and terrorists? Is anyone even awake to this?

Goodbye America.... I will miss you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2393346

[Dr.Phool]

1. We might be joining you soon.

I just got all my documentation together this morning for a passport.

I hope I don't need it.

[Richard D]

16. Always, and I mean always . . .

. . . have a current passport and a few grand in cash on hand. Always.
You never know when.

[ChiciB1]

55. Me? Thinking Seriously Of Costa Rica! SERIOUSLY!!!

Already talked to people who can hook me up with some good realtors. Have some property up for sale right now, will have to wait until my live-in mother-in-law to pass away, but already told my husband that if we lose, and there is FRAUD again, I'm outta here!

I may even go anyway. I talked with someone on Friday about my passports, weird that this subject has been posted.

Ain't THAT A Shame???? I know that was a song a long time ago, but can't remember exactly when. My older sisters used to sing it as I recall.

[rockymountaindem]

2. At the very moment things are about to get better

why are you posting that they're about to get worse?

[Brundle_Fly]

3. How are they going to get better?

Bush is signing away your Bill of Rights Tuesday Morning.

[rockymountaindem]

7. Democrats are going to (hopefully) retake at least one house of Congress

One might think that could be the beginning of a turnaround.

[Brundle_Fly]

10. Bush could declare

the congress the enemy & have them held without charges, mobilize the military in cities.

[rockymountaindem]

19. Uh huh

I don't believe that would happen in a million years. The Bush admin. wants everyone to think things are normal. Something that extreme, hell even something 25% that extreme would really shatter any support he has.

[laugle]

36. I liked your OP BF! But now you are really starting

to get out there!! Stop smoking the green stuff........it's making you paranoid!!!!

Things are bad......but the truth is coming out all over the place.....and that will set us free............

Don't leave.....I love Canada, and my husband and I have been talking of moving there just in case........

[glitch]

41. Our rights are inherent, not granted. Nobody gets to sign them away.

Violators will be held accountable, even if it takes awhile.

The Constitution enumerates our rights, it does not grant them.
PS they are your rights too.

[Odin2005]

50. Not be be nitpicky, but...

...the notion of inhierent rights is nonsensical, it's based on the Deist Creationism of Enlightenment philosphers who thought rights were granted by God (you can see this when someone screams it's his/her "God-given right" to do X). Rights are the creation of society, they do not exist outside the heads of people, all the more reason to shake the sheeple out of thier stupor before it's too late.

[glitch]

52. Completely disagree. nt

[Dr.Phool]

32. Sorry, but I just have this nagging suspicion

That he won't want to leave power in 2 years. And with all his newfangled "Unitary Executive" powers, he'll try to pull it off.

[Brundle_Fly]

34. bingo

best explanation yet.

[onenote]

54. oh boy..another taker for my wager offer?

Standard offer,made whenever anyone posts that they think chimpy will try to stay in office. I will donate $100 to DU if you're right. You donate $10 if you're wrong.

How much do you really believe what you wrote.

[midnight]

35. That's what I was wondering about. I was counting on us all

working to change the direction of this country.

[AnneD]

4. Without us as a yardstick...

how can you tell things are normal in Canada? You need the US just like we need you. Sorry bud-we are like siamese twins.

[Brundle_Fly]

5. this I don't understand.

[AnneD]

15. Let me put it this way...

sometimes you don't know how well you are doing. Now, all you have to do is look across the border and say..."Well, at least we aren't as crazy as the US." (This is meant to be to be self deprecating humour).

You can also use us as a cautionary tale. Just look at the Conservative Prime Minister you voted in. He is working from the GOP play book and trying the same tactics (privatize health care, and anything else he can privatize, etc). Nip that guy in the bud before this happens to your country too.

And I am sorry to say-due to geography, our fates are linked. I think even Pierre Trudeau cautioned Canadians to watch US politics carefully.

[Brundle_Fly]

20. I am worried about Harper...

but in Canada he will never get beyond where he is....

At least unless he follows the new neocon playbook

eek

:toast:

[AnneD]

29. EH...

And this is why ya need to be playing close attention. I am from Texas, and we tried to warn folks about Bush...but you know what happened.

I've been doing some research into pre WWII Germany. It's a tad scary. Watch your back.
:toast:

[laugle]

37. Very good point!! n/t

[Branjor]

6. I wonder if the fact that I have relatives

who are Canadian citizens would help me to emigrate (?)

[Brundle_Fly]

13. with that puppy we'll take you in...

pixel needs a buddy

[Branjor]

24. Awww....

Pixel is adorable.

I wish I still had that puppy in the picture. That was my baby Jordi (1988-2004).

I do still have his baby sister Brandy -



I think she would love to have Pixel as a pal.

[Brundle_Fly]

30. heart

melts.

[Odin2005]

51. OMG, CUTEST DOG EVER!!!!!!

:loveya:

[whirlygigspin]

8. The king is dead....long live the king!

don't you count ole miss USA out quite yet there partner.

She's a tough ole bitch who can take a punch or two...or ten.

Wait...just wait...when she's finally had enough of her no account, alcoholic, lying, two faced prick asshole she left in charge of her house while she was gone to Iraq...when she gets back from there, she's gonna kick his ass and take him for all he's got. Oh yeah, he talks a good game, praises Jesus and all that, but look what he turns around and does, laughing at her faith when she turns her back and tries to hump the young boys when she's not lookin'. He don't love her, he just used her, and man, is she ever pissed.

Judgement day you say? you better hope it's judgement day and Jesus take you up to heaven before she gets back, cause she's gonna kick his ass until her shoes wear out.

You just wait and see

[Brundle_Fly]

9. make no mistake....

if you guys turn it around, we will be there to help you!

we always will.

[Brundle_Fly]

11. I mean after the whole 1812 nonsense.

I just worry that Americans don't seem to understand the value of what is happening.

[AnneD]

17. Hey...

our guys were drunk at the time...and well you know how your judgement is impaired after a snoot full.

[midnight]

53. Believe me when your loved one is taken away at in the middle

of the night, because your family is against this war, and you leave in Sennsenbrenners district, you understand that that patriot act is hard at work...

[OnionPatch]

47. That warms my heart

Thank you so much. :grouphug:

We are going to turn this around, you will see!

[Zensea]

12. Bush is not a dictator

And you're saying that all Americans think and act the same?
I am not the "you" that you say America is & I am an American.
Other than that there is something so twisted and hperbolic about your post I hardly know where to start.

[Brundle_Fly]

14. um.

I am talking about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2393346

and if I sound twisted read the thread.

Of course I don't think all the americans think the same, but I am concerned this isnt the number one issue for all of you!

For the record I love each and everyone of you on DU, I am a liberal and I have not lost any hope, but come on, this is DIRE.

[Zensea]

18. I knew what you were talking about

The world is not going to end on Tuesday and neither is America despite that law being signed by Bush.
This is just one round in the skirmish. Another wrinkle in what they've been trying to do with executive fiat and the unitary executive for quite some time.

[Brundle_Fly]

21. I hope so :)

sorry I am freaked out about it, I know there is still so much good in the US.

:toast:

[IndianaGreen]

28. Bush is a tyrant and the biggest mass murderer of the 21st century

Bush has placed himself about the Constitution, as an Americanized version of a corrupt Roman emperor. Bush has committed, and ordered others, to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The stench of tyranny permeates the former land of the free and home of the brave!

Unfortunately many Americans cannot smell the decay from the corpse of our late Constitution, so tightly they have wrapped themselves in American flags made in China by prison labour.

[Zensea]

44. Oh I agree he's a tyrant

I think that's something a bit different than being a dictator though.
I don't think the Constitution is dead either ... yet.
Maybe it's in its last throes.}(
The Judiciary still has some kick left in it & the only real problem with the legislature is that it has been acting as a rubber stamp and has abdicated its responsibility or sees its responsiblility differently than I do.
But on a system level not much has changed ..... yet.
Of course I could be wrong.
The way I see it, the next couple of years are really going to tell us where we're at on that level.
I think the jury is still out, as it were.

[Brundle_Fly]

45. Agreed, there is still a ton of fight in the US

and I hope it shows up Nov. 7th.

They need to be sent a very serious message.

[Arugula Latte]

22. Brundle -- I hope we can turn things around.

The evil nutcases have had power disproportionate to their numbers.

I don't know how long it will take, but I do hope that we can take back our country and eventually not be ashamed to call ourselves Americans again.

My fear is that these people won't let go of power under any circumstances. We'll see how Nov. 7th goes and take it from there.

[Brundle_Fly]

23. Being American is nothig to be ashamed of

being a neo-conservative is....

:peace:

[Arugula Latte]

25. Well, thanks.

However, I AM ashamed that so many millions of my fellow citizens have been so blinded by ignorance, Fox News, false "terra" fears, propaganda, religious insanity, and so on, that they have let our country's fair election system and constitutional protections be flushed unceremoniously down the toilet.

It's embarrassing.

:peace:

[lordsummerisle]

26. Brundle

I think it's great that you're bringing this up...I've just joined DU in part to see who besides Glenn Greenwald is discussing this. I've got to think that the Supremes will rule this unconstitutional, it is truly loathsome legislation...

[Brundle_Fly]

27. the Supremes DID kick it down already.

thats why they wrote ... uh ... this turd.

I think Congress has written themselves and the s'Premes out of a job if Shrub so wishes.
I am gladdened to see so much military leadership renouncing admin policies, even it if is after said military retirement. You will need them is things go too nutty.

I am very scared of a insane US.

[Auntie Bush]

33. Welcome to DU Lord.

:hi:

[Daphne08]

46. Welcome to DU, lordsummerisle. I also read Glenn, and yes,

it is indeed a horrid bill.

[Catchawave]

31. Wow, great LTTE ....you should send this

out to all the major media sources and Olbermann too :hi:

[cali]

38. Great letter?

Not in my book. Just more hyperventilating. Yes things are bad, but they've been as bad before. Don't think so? Do some reading about McCarthyism. We will right the ship of state, and things will improve. I really detest all this negativism.

[Catchawave]

42. Yep, great letter !

:patriot:

[bonito]

39. Hello Canada.... we're in this together

http://www.augustreview.com/

[kdpeters]

40. Goodbye dear friend. I can't say I blame you.

I feel the same way when I look around and wonder what happened. Canada has been our good friend, but a true friend doesn't stand by and support madness and destructive behavior out of friendship.

We'll no longer be friends.

Salesmen tell you what you want to hear; a friend tells you the truth. By that measure, we'd probably find more true friends among the countries who tried to stop us than among those who took the path of least resistance.

[tomreedtoon]

43. Doesn't matter. You'll be annexed soon.

Assuming the dictatorship you talk about will happen - and I admit it just might be - what country would Bush wish to take over next?

The one with the high-alcohol beer!

Look for the Humvees to come over the border sometime soon...say, in 2009.

[TrogL]

56. Dubya wants the Northern Passage to transport oil from Kazakhstan

[donsu]

48. don't forget the super highway goes into Canada and your borders

will no longer count.

wake up your own people.

[Canuckistanian]

49. A tad harsh, but I agree with the sentiment

But I look on America these days with more with sadness than anger or betrayal.

I just hope there will be some kind of sanity coming soon, but I doubt even a successful election or two will fix the problems.

It's too bad. America used to stand for what was right in the world. They were the fighting force for freedom around the globe.

No more.

And furthermore, a new and more malevolent force has taken control of this mighty machine. And it's not ready to let go of that power. And I fear in the struggle to come, there will be real losses.

Please, America, save yourself.

Before all is destroyed.