Harold Ford is an idiot!

[MoonRiver]

Even worse than Kerry's verbal gaffe, is Ford demanding an apology from Kerry. This helps NOBODY but the Repukes. :mad:

Just heard on CNN.

[speedoo]

1. I agree. Ford is a tool.

Stupid move.

[ps1074]

2. I hear Tester wants apology too

Anyone still thinking this is not hurting the dems? Instead of talking about Bush and Iraq, the MSM is talking about this story now.

[MoonRiver]

5. Just unbelievable that our candidates are falling for it!

Rove didn't even need an October surprise. We served him one up on a silver platter. :banghead:

[wyldwolf]

20. Is Tester an idiot and a tool, too?

[enough already]

27. And the circular firing squad has let loose it's first blast

Who's next to fire?

[MoonRiver]

31. Ford fired the first shot, friend.

[enough already]

41. And now McCaskill has fired a shot

The hits just keep on coming.

[truebrit71]

3. Well yeah, but he's better than the racist idiot he's running against...

...or at least that's the logic presented around here...


Me? I'ma a proponet of getting a Dem majority, but it does make one wonder at what point does a 'conservative Democrat' become a rethuglican?

IMHO Ford is pretty damned close to that point...

[MoonRiver]

7. OF COURSE HE'S BETTER!

But why is he undermining the Democratic Party? He should have stayed out of this stupid situation and just stfu.

[win_in_06]

39. That sums up my feelings on Kerry. he's not even running!

[jumpoffdaplanet]

9. Ford has annoyed me from the beginning

He should just stay out of it. Instead he gives cover to the RW fuckups.

[ChiciB1]

12. Just Posted Elsewhere... It's TN... It's Ford Too! Still I Want Ford

to win, even though I think less of him than before. And before he wasn't my favorite! As opposed to Mr. Lie, at least he calls himself a Democrat!!

Big Dems are afraid of Lieberman, just heard it on C-Span this AM! Harkin is the ONLY candidate to have donated to Lamont's race of late. Clinton gave $5,000 before and several other did too, but very very few of them have helped Lamont out! I know amount has a lot of money, but he has spent $15,000,0000 of his own money! He needs a little help. I've given more money this time around than ever before and I'm getting tapped out! Lamont needs some help!

[GemMom]

4. Discussed earlier on this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2536973
Harold Ford Calls On Kerry To Apologize...

[cobaindrain]

strategically speaking

they must have looked at polls and seen that it's better to distance themselves from Kerry rather than to support him.

I'm wishing he just kept his mouth shut, why say anything to jeopardize our chances?

still, I think going forward with his appearances and not apologizing would make this story go away faster.

[SteppingRazor]

6. Even from a pure political standpoint, it's a stupid move...

it'll probably lose Ford more votes among hardcore Democrats than it wil gain him among uninformed independents who think Kerry was actually talking about the troops, not the administration.

[MoonRiver]

8. And the worst thing is it implies the wingnuts were correct about Kerry's meaning.

Unless Ford thinks Kerry should apologize to bush! :crazy:

[Clark2008]

22. Doubtful

There's not a lot of "hardcore" Dems in Tennessee. And, besides, Tennessee Dems aren't stupid. They will vote for Ford because they want a Dem in the Senate and don't want to be saddled by that nasal-sounding wimp Corker.

I'm a hardcore Tennessee Dem and I voted for him. So did my husband. And all my family. All of my neighborhood. The neighborhood next to mine and the one after that, too. The union halls are adorned with his placards.

It won't lose him votes here. It may not gain him any, but it won't lose him any. Sorry - move onto a state you might know something about.

[SteppingRazor]

28. Oh, where to start...

first, if you've already voted in early voting, then Ford's recent statements obviously don't affect your vote either way.

Second, your entire neighborhood -- and the one next to it adn the one next to that one -- all voted for Ford? To a man? Doesn't that conflict with your notion that there's not a lot of "hardcore" Dems in Tennessee? (aside from being practically a statistical impossibility)

Third, this sort of snide tone -- "Sorry - move onto a state you might know something about." -- is completely, totally uncalled for and inappropriate.


Your general criticism of my off-the-cuff comment is well-taken -- that this will not affect the overall outcome of the Tennessee senate race. But given the rest of your post, I'm inclined to take it with a grain of salt.

[Clark2008]

48. I'm just tired of this entire board thinking they know how to

campaign in the South when it's obvious most of them would end up with negative votes if they tried to run a campaign here.

Not everyone fits a perfect ideology - and the South's liberals are much more conservative - as a whole - than, say New York or California.

I'm snide because I'm sickened by the bigoted and snide remarks made by those who've never set foot in this state commenting on matters they know nothing about.

[WCGreen]

37. It won't loose him any votes to bash Kerry in Tenn...

Or for Tester to Bash Kerry in Montanta...

Those folks down there look at Kerry and see a Skinny Ted Kennedy....

[chaumont58]

10. I think Ford is DLC, but he may not be yet

Whatever, Tennessee is gone. It was gone anyway. As much as the old South likes to say it has changed, it ain't change that much. A black man is not going to win a US Senator seat. They can put lipstick on the pig and call it Monique, but it is still a pig.

[wyldwolf]

16. sure he is. So?

[Clark2008]

23. And that's what pisses me off the most.

That isn't really true of my state or the rest of the South, but you and a lot of other people will perceive it that way.

The truth is that we don't have a decent alternative media and we, apparently, don't have a GOTV apparatus to speak of for Dem voters. There really are more of us non-racists than there are racists. Believe me.

[SouthernBelle82]

34. So you now

can see the future or do you know something Karl Rove does?

[indepat]

11. Ford gotta be tough on terra, crime, drugs, everything he is afraid to be

labeled by the extreme RW, thus he has voted for most of W's most damaging initiatives, i.e., tax cuts, the so-called patriot acts, preventive war, torture, suspension of habeas corpus, and dictatorial powers for W, almost all the things Gore Vidal says will take this once-Republic two generations to overcome the damage inflicted.

[madfloridian]

13. Clinton is there in Memphis today to endorse Ford..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/1/10403/7039

"Clinton will make an appearance at Temple of Deliverance Church of God in Christ 369 GE Patterson Avenue Memphis, TN where it is expected that he will endorse the campaign of TN-9 House nominee State Senator Steve Cohen and Democatic U.S. Senate nominee Harold Ford, Jr."

[Clark2008]

25. And so is Wes Clark.

eom

[madfloridian]

29. That figures. Clinton and Clark.

But no Dean to TN at all says Ford. And Kerry must apologize, says Ford.

Only Southerners welcome. Only those who speak perfectly are allowed there.

What a shame.

[SouthernBelle82]

35. Uh Dean is

a southerner. Or is Vermont no longer in the south?

[chaumont58]

40. Good on you. I like that answer!

Aa man, brudder!

[Tom Rinaldo]

38. Clark's already been to CT. I'm still waiting for Clinton n/t

[Clark2008]

45. Well, that has more to do with the fact that Dean held

a whopping 4 percent of the vote in this state in the primary.

He's simply NOT popular here, no matter what you think. I don't think Dean would even want to come here, knowing that. He could HURT the party, rather than help and I think Dean, himself, would beg off.

[madfloridian]

47. Yes, the whole world knows now that TN does not like Dean.

Ford has made that his goal, and you have made sure to remind everyone.

Yes, we know Dean is not welcome in TN...does that make you proud?

[Clark2008]

49. Yep.

It makes me proud that I know my own damn state.

It makes me proud that I recognize a political strategy based on polls and in talking with people.

It makes me proud that I can look at someone's popularity or non-popularity and consider whether they would be helpful to a campaign.

I never said I disliked Dean - in fact, I thought he should be the Democratic chair back in January 2004 (because I saw the polling number out of the purple states - and he wasn't going to win a national election). You seem to think I dislike him because I'm a Clarkie or because I'm a Southerner - but I don't.

I just know what sells in Tennessee a little better than you do.

[bigendian]

14. No he isn't.

He wants to get elected.
The 101st is at Clarksville and he certainly wants to keep any support from the military that he has at this point. Alot of people from Fort Campbell have died.
Harold is playing "politics" because he wants to be a U.S. Senator. And this year I will support him because his ambition will keep him in line with the Democratic agenda and we must tip the balance of power in Washington. That is the goal.
I am sorry for Kerry because I know he has been misunderstood and spun.
Harold is ambitious but he doesn't seem to have that greatness of a leader we need. But lets get him to DC. He will be very useful.

[Clark2008]

26. That's where Wes Clark is campaigning with Ford today at.

Wes'll bring in those votes for Ford.

:hi:

[zulchzulu]

15. I'm ready to give money to Corker to get rid of this turncoat

If Ford was really a true Democrat, he wouldn't piss on Kerry's shoes right now. He lines up far to the right of dorks like Lieberman on many issues. Yeah, he's in Tennessee. So goddamn what!

There are plenty of Southern moderates in that state that would admire someone with the cahunas to stand up tall with the full breadth of Democratic progressive policies than some watered-down apologist with half-witted, morally subjective logic.

Ford...you're going to lose. And that is good. As for giving Corker money, that was a joke...

[Clark2008]

24. And you're in Wisconsin.

And apparently know NOTHING of my state.

So... I'd shush if I were you and, I promise, next time you have a problem there in in cheeseland, I won't bother to offer an uniformed opinion.

[grasswire]

17. what?????!!!!!

Damn.

Rove is splitting Dems and distracting from the issues.

Damn Harold Ford.

[HootieMcBoob]

18. True but...

If you live in TN just hold your nose and vote for him. It's more important that we move a little closer to control of the Senate.

[MoonRiver]

32. I don't live there, but if I did I would hold my nose and vote for him.

None of that changes the damage he has done to our prospects. Hopefully, it will be minimal, but he should have said nothing.

[SouthernBelle82]

36. Even though

there is a lot of good amount to disagree with Ford about but he still is the better and more sane choice in the race and that's why I'm voting for him. Right now the budget and getting out of Iraq are my main issues.

[KingFlorez]

19. Yada, yada, yada

[Clark2008]

21. And this is the ZILLIONETH stupid thread by someone NOT

in Tennessee making STUPID assumptions about what might actually WORK in Tennessee.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[AtomicKitten]

30. Ford is doing what he needs to win.

Short of boffing my dog, it's okay by me.

[Cosmocat]

42. YEP ...

A candidate running for office in this environment, with less than a week left ... Every man for himself ...

I don't think Kerry did anything wrong, but Ford has a state full of raging lunatics he needs to deal with ... He has to do what he has to do to get to a level where they can accept something other than a GOP world view ...

[Clark2008]

44. Raging lunatics?

Hardly.

You guys really know NOTHING about the South, do you?

DU is the most bigoted bunch of yahoos when it comes to opinions about the South and Southerners - you guys are the reason the South is so hard to turn blue.

Maybe we're right and you really DON'T understand us.

Or, more likely, you'd rather believe in stereotypes and not even TRY to understand us.

[Greyhound]

46. Have you forgotten that this is the state that sent Al Gore to DC in the

first place? It is not a state "full of raging lunatics", they are fully capable of making good decisions when they have a good choice. This has much more to do with whom The Party anoint$ as the choice.
:kick:

[SouthernBelle82]

33. Even though Kerry already did

Someone should send a memo and asap to Ford that Kerry already on Imus apologized for how his joke came out bad.

[Greyhound]

43. He's the douche-bag we get to vote for in order to avoid the turd sandwich

that the re:puke: put up. Some choice. :eyes:

[fujiyama]

50. Ford, Tester, and McCaskill

are running in states Bush won by double digits.

I don't blame them for what we would perceive as political cowardice.

[Geek_Girl]

51. He has too

This thing is getting out of hand here in TN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2920962

[opihimoimoi]

52. Fuck him too...let the state go red...fuck it all