Hell will freeze over before I will ever vote for Hillary!

[wisteria]

She has no integrety or class. She can't even back up and support a fellow Democrat, when his is under attack for things he did not say. She is a lousy unloyal POS. And frankly, I don't care about why she did this, just that she did. Screw her. This women does not deserve to be president.


Democrats cringed, though, at the prospect of the Massachusetts senator becoming the face of the party for the second consecutive national campaign. “No one wants to have the 2004 election replayed,” said Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13018908/

[Submariner]

1. Hillary is toast

What an *hole.

[bahrbearian]

2. She is not even running in a mid-term,, I can understand Ford a

little bit, but even he could have kept his mouth shut ,she has no excuse. She seems to enjoy this war a too much.

[AZBlue]

16. Uh...yeah she is.

[bahrbearian]

28. You are right ,, I forgot probably cuz there is no threat to her.

[Clark2008]

26. Just so you know.... Ford was visiting military bases in Tennessee

today with Wes Clark.

I think that probably added to his decision to make a statement.

[Old and In the Way]

3. Pretty sad....you lost me Hillary.

Not that I'd vote for you in the primaries, anyway. Big miscalculation on your part.

[liberalmuse]

4. To be honest, the 'pubs are desperate...

Hillary was right to tell Kerry to apologize, but IMO, ONLY to cut off the Republican shit smear. Kerry said nothing to apologize for, but a party of pedophiles, crooks, murderers and traitors badly needed a diversion, and a seemingly innocent sentence uttered by Kerry was all they had. Now that he's apologized, any further 'pub whining about this issue will be seen as just that. I have my problems with Hillary, but if it's between her and some abhorrent Republican (they're pretty much all abhorrent these days), I will vote for her, hands down.

[wisteria]

7. Actually, I think she is as bad as those you mention. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

5. I can't stand her either...

...and I'm so tired of the corporate media propping up her candidacy.

She is not what we need.

She's remained silent on so many issues, during scary times--when our government
is being taken over by Fascist shills who hate our Constitution. She refused to
say that her vote on Iraq was a mistake--as Kennedy and Kerry both have done.

I think she's fine as a US Senator--because she does vote our way on numerous issues.
She's certainly better than a "Frist". However, she's standing by--saying nothing and
doing nothing about the pResident's abuse of power and torture-happy policies. As the
Dem nominee, she's just all wrong.

We need a kick-ass progressive from the outside--who will speak truth to power.

I will give up all hope for America if Hillary is our nominee.

[blm]

6. This is good - no matter how DC "strategists" and pundits spin this - Kerry WON

because he will become the underdog and Hillary and others will still have to get past their OWN FEARS of GOP spin and be stuck DEBATING Kerry over Iraq and his policy versus their stay the course with Bush strategy.

WE won because the issue of the misspeak, poor people fighting rich men's wars is getting heard in a way it hasn't before.

And Kerry got to harrass Bush's failed policies in Iraq YET AGAIN.

[Connie_Corleone]

9. You're joking right?

Kerry apologized to the troops because they misinterpreted what he said (by way of the Republican Noise Machine). But the media are still spinning it as if Kerry really did insult the troops.

The lie is out there that Kerry insulted the troops, and he has now apologized a day late. That's the story going around now. Not Bush's fuckup in Iraq.

We won nothing.

[blm]

15. Not kidding at all. Did you see Zahn asking Snow about WHO SERVES?

It happened a few hours ago.

There's a thread on it somewhere.

And.....things change. I don't care if Hillary wants to take shots at Kerry - they'll have their opportunities to debate this the entire subject again someday soon.

[notadmblnd]

8. Hillery is just listening to those damned no talent

democratic stratigists. That was their talking point yesterday. I don't necessarily have anything against Hillery, but my pick for 2008 is Wesley Clark.

[Nite Owl]

10. I wasn't voting for her before this

and certainly not now. Not even for Senator just so she doesn't win as big. I know she will win but I'm not contributing to it.

[NVMojo]

11. like us little folk even have a chcoice about it

[Ian David]

12. What if it were Hillary running against Alan Keyes?

Think about it...

Clinton/Obama or Keyes/Dobson?

That makes Hell look pretty cold.

[wisteria]

20. I doubt the second ticket ever will come to pass. I still wouldn't vote

for her.

[AtomicKitten]

13. Attacking Hillary isn't helping.

Democrats are just trying to maneuver beyond this overblown brouhaha the best way they know how and to get back on track in preparation for the election next week.

It is this inequity in the way politicians are dealt with here at DU that is underlying cause for acrimony.

[wisteria]

22. Oh, it helps me plenty- I despise her, loath her and hope she rots in hell. n/y

[AtomicKitten]

25. You are certainly entitled to your opinion

... and by the same token I hope you will show the same grace to people that don't share your adoration of Kerry.

We either make an attempt to improve the discourse, or not. But the inequity in how we speak about politicians is out there now and the double standard is over.

[Oleladylib]

14. Sorry, she was right on 100% correct!!! Kerry said what he said

what he "meant" he did not say..gotta face the music and admit it ..He did!!! Glad he did it today..let the Repo spin machine try to keep it going and bury themselves..Of course Hell is going to freeze over so who cares

[opihimoimoi]

17. Hillary is way better than Bush/Cheney/Bauer...I would vote for her

[1620rock]

18. Hillary is playing her cards very carefully. If she were to...

...be elected, you will see a whole'nother Hillary stepping up to the plate. IMO.

[wisteria]

24. Frankly, I don't give a sh*t. what she is doing. I will never vote for her

no matter who she is running against. She is a POS.

[ChiciB1]

34. I Don't EVEN Care Anymore! She's TOAST With Me!!

I suppose she thinks people will "forgive" all her crap by 2008, but I won't! I wasn't happy with her before this, but this is it for me!

All this "positioning" she's doing is turning me off BIG TIME, and IF Kerry hurt himself for 2008, she just One-upped him!

[wisteria]

23. Well, you go vote for a low life with no integrity if you want.

I think we deserve better for president. :puke:

[MGD]

29. Liberals think she's too conservative, Cons think she's too liberal

I think she's a moderate who leans to the left which is what I am on most issues. I don't necessarily want her to run but I'll vote for her. I would like to see that glass ceiling smashed finally even though I know it probably won't happen even if she does run. I'm a man too in case you wondered.

[Blue_In_AK]

19. She never had me

but she definitely lost me on this one.

[ima_sinnic]

21. if she is forced on us the way Kerry was, I will NOT be voting

--after that, I won't give a shit one way or the other if the "democrat" wins or the repuke, b/c there won't be a whole helluva lot of difference between them. she is a repuke enabler, a war-monger, and a waffling "moderate." she appears not to care that people are suffering and dying gruesomely and horribly and UNNECESSARILY. she wants for nothing, her palm is well greased. even Mehlman throws parties for her. FU b*tch.

[and-justice-for-all]

27. I think Hillary is another Lieberman...nt

[IndianaGreen]

30. Hillary and Harold Ford are both chicken hawks

which is why they wimped out on Kerry.

Our troops are stuck in the military, they can't get even after they finish their military commitment, Rumsfeld won't discharge them.

[AtomicKitten]

33. That's just gratuitous crap.

You are blaming them for Kerry's misstep. They are both up for re/election next week and you seriously expect them to put their neck on the line? Please.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

31. I was trying to keep an open mind on Hillary...

...in spite of nagging suspicions that she may be just a political drone with no real convictions or party loyalty. Today she closed that book for me.


Some may think John Kerry took himself out of 2008 ... I think Hillary proved herself, finally and completely, unworthy!!

[paulk]

32. you mean in the primary, I hope?

If she ends up being the nominee in the general election, I would hope you would vote for her.

[wisteria]

36. Nope! Not a chance. n/t

[hughee99]

35. Pure political calculation, IMHO

Hillary wants to keep Kerry out of the primary in '08. This is the opening salvo.

[Blue_In_AK]

37. Deleted post - I already weighed in on this one.