"Fox Fans" discuss the Kerry situation: "Bush had a higher GPA at Yale"

[Human Torch]

"FNC wants to know what YOU think — Should Senator Kerry apologize for his comments, or have his remarks been taken out of context?

E-mail us at [e-mail] and jump into the debate!"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226525,00.html



"Does Kerry realize that President Bush had a higher GPA than he did at Yale? The answer is, yes, he does. He just doesn't think that we know." — Lynne (California)

"Is this all the Republicans have to run on right now? Let's really look at what is going on in Iraq before it's too late. Senator Kerry's words have not killed 2800+ Americans, the decision by George W. Bush to enter Iraq, unprovoked, did. Should Kerry apologize? Yes. Should he also educate people about what failed homework has done to Iraq and those poor people? Yes. My names Doug and I approve this message. " — Doug (Maryland)

"I think John Kerry did mean this statement to be insulting to the president more than he did the troops, which to me is even more offensive. I am glad that our president is doing all that he can to win the war in Iraq." — Shawn

"John Kerry meant exactly what he said and backpedaled when he was called on it. His refusal to apologize is an example of the incredible arrogance that continues to turn his own party against him." — Robin (California)

"His remarks were not taken out of context. He clearly knew what he was saying, and wanted the world to know what he believes. He should apologize." — Michelle

"I think Kerry meant what he said. He believes what he said, so why apologize?" — Warren

"Kerry's comments are an insult to all veterans and servicemen and women. This was not 'just a botched joke,' especially when he refuses to apologize. If it were a Republican Senator who said this, there would be a Democratic outcry for him to resign!" — Jim (Katy, TX)

"Kerry's comments are deplorable. An apology is definitely in order." — Paul

"Sen. Kerry's comments were not taken out of context. He was expressing precisely what he believes. His career as a politician is memorialized by innumerable statements that reflect his arrogance, self-righteousness and self-centeredness." — GMC

"If Kerry owes the troops an apology for a botched joke, then what does Bush owe them for his policies that have resulted in thousands dead and tens of thousands more wounded?" — John (East Lyme, CT)

"I have a smile on my face when I tell a joke, even if I botch it. It is obvious Kerry wasn't joking, as he continues to sling petty verbal arrows toward President Bush. All politicians should wake up and realize the majority of American people have an aversion to personal attacks and tactics used by grade-schoolers. I can disagree with someone's position, while at the same time respecting his or her right to have it. Apparently, Kerry and others of his ilk on both sides of the aisle have issues in this area." — Quinn

[w4rma]

1. If Bush did then it's because he took classes like "History of ___ in Film". (nt)

[Gman]

2. Bush never knew what GPA stands for

[acmejack]

3. I sent this

Kerry served to prove how stupid he is.

A trait unlike unlike most of you brainy folks on the right. Check out just how many veterans inhabit the right side of the aisle, then please shut your hypocritical pie holes. You people are nothing but worst of false uber-patriots. You didn't serve when you had the chance, the majority of your children aren't serving now. The big mouths leading your party "had other priorities" or used their positions of privilege to avoid doing their duty! Just as the Young Republicans now find it more important now to stay safe at home and "fight the war of ideas". Do us all a favor and be honest.

[blue cat]

6. did you mean

that Kerry proved how stupid Bush is? Bush did get us stuck in Iraq by not doing his homework.

[acmejack]

13. Kerry went and got shot to prove he himself was stupid.

Everyone disses themselves. Kerry was a troop, if memory serves...

[karynnj]

16. This is STILL a distortion - Kerry was saying they didn't do their homework,

NOT that Bush was stupid. It is not the same thing.

Kerry and many people who know Bush have alwsys said Bush is not stupid - just that he dissinterested in any actual policy analysis.

This comment was the same as his comments that Bush went to war without a plan to secure the peace.

[acmejack]

20. I am so sorry

Whatever, Kerry lovers unite. Christ...

edited to be less acerbic and conform with rules.

[karynnj]

25. I was responding to Blue Cat , not you

The point being that it was not that Bush was stupid, but that he didn't do "his Iraq homework" before attacking.

I'm sorry that I upset you. I did like your summary.

[acmejack]

28. Sorry, quick on the trigger!

Too wound up!

[acmejack]

23. Andrew Sullivan disagrees with you.

So I am not the only "distorter"!

snip>
Now, I may be typical of many people's real-time response to this piece of "news." When I first heard the remarks, I cringed and was appalled. When I saw the context, I could see what Kerry might have meant, but also saw the need for him to apologize for the way his spoken remarks could have plausibly been misinterpreted. I stand by that. But now I also see the prepared remarks in black and white, I have a third wave of sentiment. I agree with Jay Nordlinger here:

When you see Kerry's prepared text — I guess you would have to accept it as authentic — you can see precisely what Kerry meant: Bush is stupid, he has always been a slacker, that left him unprepared to lead in Iraq, blah, blah, blah.

So the debate over what Kerry actually meant is now over.
snip>

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/11/the_kerry_gaffe.html

[Seattleman]

4. Poppy Bush was director of the CIA

The Profs at Yale KNEW that daddy Bush would have them "disappeared" if they didn't give chimpy good grades.

Duh.....

[elperromagico]

5. You can tell Republicans are insecure about their man's intelligence

when they have to look back thirty-plus years for any evidence that Bush is "smarter" than Kerry.

[China_cat]

9. My favorite ex-husband had a measured IQ

of 190. His favorite thing to do was sit on the roof to watch thunderstorms. With an umbrella. He was wicked smart but, as his mother once told me, "he couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel".

GPA's are calculated on homework and test scores, not intelligence. If you can pay someone to write your papers and do halfway decently on test (and a 'C' average would be less than halfway decently) your GPA will be fine. And doesn't mean squat when it comes to actually dealing with the world.

[acmejack]

14. In those days we were all into smoking pot.

It was everyone's favorite thing to do, sudying really wasn't high on the list. Any college dorm was a pretty foggy place.

[karynnj]

17. The analysis of their GPAs was unfair to Kerry

They compared only the first three years - because the way grades were calculated changed in Bush's senior year. Kerry's first year was abysmal - obviously because he was the star of the debate club, active in the political union, played 4 sports, had a part time job and an active social life. Clearly, he cut corners on things like homework. His own description in Tour of Duty was that he was capable, but not consciencious when he was 18 or 19. It is not lack of intelligence when a kid fluent in French, gets a "c" in French. Bush's grades were pretty constant over the 4 years - Kerry had a very bad first year improving each year. the average of the 3 years was close, adding the 4th year would put Kerry ahead. Looking at just the last 3 years - as people often do - Kerry was better.

None of this matters though - Kerry is better read and far more thoughtful and didn't expose his brain to the alcohol and drugs Bush did. Listening to the 3 debates shows Kerry as the one who continued to use the intelligence God gave him. He may not have done his homework at 18, but he sure did for the debates and Senate hearings.

As to grades, I have a very intelligent daughter who aced every history test and paper, who got a "C" because she neglected to submit a notebook for the notebook check - because she didn't bother to save her notes.

[JTFrog]

7. bah

bah duplicate...please delete.

[JTFrog]

8. Ugg...

Why post all that here and just help them spread their crap? Just curious...

Put up a link to positive stuff that is coming from this... more articles like this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2620525&page=1

[vi5]

10. Uh....doesn't point out that Bush had a higher GPA than Kerry...

...who went into the military during a war and was sent to Vietnam kind of prove Kerry's point?

I'm pissed at Kerry's clumsiness with this whole situation even though I know what he meant to say, but doesn't pointing out what that first person pointed out kind of make the point considering Bush dodged vietnam and Kerry didn't?

[marmar]

11. .... because all of his homework was ghost-written.

:dunce:

[valerief]

12. Chimpy's GPA is as real as the presidential election vote count for him. nt

[phiddle]

15. That's highly unlikely.

Bush's grades at Yale were reportedly "Gentleman's Cs", and certainly not good enough to get him into the U of Tex law school. He was as a result (of his bad grades, mind you) exposed to the draft and scrammed at the last minute into the National Guard, courtesy of Poppy's friends. Kerry (after serving) had no problem getting into law school.

[GemMom]

19. OK so how do you counter when the Rethugs

mention John Kerry's 63 and 68 in history classes?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student/

[blm]

21. Kerry's FIRST YEAR he didn't apply himself as he was learning to FLY PLANES

and got so caught up with it that he let his grades slide to Cs and Ds.

By his second year he got back on track, and no doubt EARNED every grade he got. A bad student is not invited to speak at graduation.

The media spins this story for Bush all the time, too.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

18. Absolutely! Those bush family grants and new campus buildings

aren't given for free, you know. ;-)

[wisteria]

22. Other bull shit handed to them by our inside Washington lapdogs.

Supporting Hillary. They are making the Republicans job of smearing Kerry even easier. All of this nonsense was taken from an ABC hit piece this morning on Kerry. Everyone quoted in the piece are aligned with Clinton.
I am telling you, this is a battle for our party as well as for President. The DLC doesn't want to share power or work with anyone, they want to call all the shots. We need to begin fighting back if we want a party for the people. This group doesn't give a shit about us, just corporate money.

[Rocknrule]

24. Bush probably had a higher GPA

because Cheney gave him the answers to every test through an earpiece

[karynnj]

26. Cheney actually FLUNKED out of Yale

then went to school in Wyoming. (Though I like the joke - earpiece, uhmmmmmm)

[Eurobabe]

27. Bush took Basketweaving 101 while Kerry took Existential Philosophy

And the other courses Bush got a pass. So there...