CNN Poll: Obama now trails only Clinton on '08 list

[Alhena]

With all due respect for Hillary, I expect Obama to gain ground quickly (assuming he runs, of course) once they each start giving speeches. Hillary simply does not compare to Obama as a public speaker.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/poll.2008/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, who has recently said he is considering a bid for his party's presidential nomination, now trails only Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on list of potential Democratic candidates in 2008, according to a new CNN poll released Wednesday.

On the Republican side, Sen. John McCain of Arizona is running neck and neck with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani among Republicans, the poll found.

Obama gets support from 17 percent of registered Democrats, vaulting him into second place, ahead of former Vice President Al Gore, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, according to the poll. (How Dems, GOPs rate)

On October 22, Sen. Barack Obama said that he may run for president in 2008, despite previous assertions that he would complete his current six-year senatorial term, which ends in 2011. (Full story)

"I would say I am still at the point where I have not made a decision to pursue higher office, but it is true that I have thought about it over the last several months," the 45-year-old Democratic senator from Illinois told NBC's "Meet the Press."

In January, Obama told NBC that he would not run for president or vice president in 2008.

Asked by NBC's Tim Russert about his earlier stance, Obama said, "That was how I was thinking at that time."

"I don't want to be coy about this, given the responses that I've been getting over the last several months," he said. "I have thought about the possibility, but I have not thought about it with the seriousness and depth that I think is required."

Clinton's share of the Democratic voters has fallen from 38 percent in September to 28 percent -- still enough to make her the front-runner. (Read the complete poll results -- PDF)

Obama appears to be drawing his support mostly from Clinton and Gore, who has fallen from 19 percent in September to 13 percent.

[Tiggeroshii]

1. I'm rooting for him.

[Ignacio Upton]

2. Between Hillary and Kerry, he is looking better every day

BTW, he has more foreign policy experience than Reagan did in 1980! Pass that meme on to right-wingers who will say he has no experience in foreign policy.

[Crazy Dave]

7. Most presidents have zero foreign policy experience

As most have been governors of states versus senators and congressman or ambassadors. Bush 41 is the only recent president in the last 30 years that I can think of that was a congressman and an ambassador. The rest have been state governors.

[wisteria]

15. That is why we are in the mess we are now. Nope, give me Kerry's experience

over Obama's feel good strategy. Feel good only lasts so long.

[Ignacio Upton]

22. I would rather have someone who can grab the MSM bull by its horns

Than someone who is more gaffe-prone. The MSM likes celebrities and feel-good spectacle more than they do shilling for their corporate bosses. They will kiss Obama's ass all the way to the White House...and then tear him down a la Clinton in 1993.

[politicasista]

23. So Obama won't misspeak?

What happened to Kerry can and will happen to any Democratic candidate. That's the way it is. The blame should be at the dems that didn't back him up and ran away and hid.

You think Obama won't be smeared if he is the nominee? It's quite possible they are kissing his ass to knock him down BEFORE he is the nominee.

Unless we don't solve the media problem or nominate someone that "gets" the media problem, it won't matter who the canididate is. The media is GOP owned and controlled and out of Obama's control..

[Crazy Dave]

28. Clinton was a state governor before president

And he was the best president we've had in my lifetime next to Carter, another former state governor who is currently very good at foreign policy.

[redqueen]

3. bleh... obama obama obama... we're a week away from 11/7

and still with the obama!

:crazy:

[acmavm]

4. No kidding. Everyone's worried about 2006, no one cares

about 2008 yet.

And even then Hillary or Barack don't have a snowball's chance.

[redqueen]

6. Truer words, my friend... truer words...

then again... there are apparently lots and lots of people seemingly still very happy to dance to the media whores' tunes.

Go figure! :shrug:

[Crazy Dave]

8. Obama?

I haven't heard his name or any of the running candidates or the issues for the past three days. It's all been Kerry, Kerry and more Kerry. The issues, the war, the corruption, the deficit, no health care, etc. Nobody's even talking about that stuff right now.

[redqueen]

9. Yeah, well... anything to keep the spotlight off the candidates, right?

Hey, rube! Look over here!

[Crazy Dave]

11. I think it's mainly got the media distracted, maybe a few indys

The only people who say, act or are offended are the people who wouldn't vote democrat anyways but I think if the real issues were made a priority and replayed on the news every night until Tuesday, then a landslide democratic victory would be a reality. Americans have short term memory and that's what the republicans are counting on.

But I guess the media won't get high viewer numbers if a landslide election is expected, therefore I think the media helps create a lot of close races.

[politicasista]

5. What about Tuesday 11/7

This 08 talk isn't helping much.

[madfloridian]

10. I have been a good Democrat since I could vote...

But I figure this cycle fulfills my commitment to blind faith voting.

Obama needs to stop preaching to me, Hillary needs to become real. They both need to stop sounding as much like Republicans as they can sound without actually being one.

No more of that.

Hillary did not take up for Kerry, she stabbed him in the back. Bill, her hubby, worked against Dean in the primaries.

Enough. Obama needs to back off for now.

And he needed to stand with Lamont.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/460

[Tellurian]

19. Yeah, and we all need to concentrate

on next Tuesday and ditch the Kerry/Hillary clap-trap till it's decided and over once and for all.

[cascadiance]

26. I know Obama has a book out now...

... and he's trying to strike while the iron is hot. But there is such a thing as "overdoing it", and I think he's getting close to that.

This really isn't the appropriate time to be talking that much about 2008. We need to cross the first bridge of "cleaning" our congress up first. Then we can start talking about who will lead us in 2008.

As for me, I want someone that's a known quantity that I KNOW has no serious ties to the DLC or corporate America. I'm all for putting in Democrats now and not being too stringent on DLC types, etc. at this time for congress. But the person I want LEADING us in 2008, has to be ready to sign and NOT veto a public campaign financing bill at the national level, like I fear anyone connected to the DLC would. I want someone who appoints replacement SCOTUS and lower court judges who WILL look to overturn "corporate personhood", and "corporate free speech" "rights", which were created with acts of judicial activism, and not our constitution anyway.

To undo the damage that's been done, we need someone that's answering to US! That's absolutely critical!

I'm a little concerned that DLC is looking more now for a "submarine candidate" that can sneak in under the radar. I think they are starting to get the picture that enough of the Democratic Base is not going to accept the corporatist nature of Hillary Clinton, so they need to find someone that still might have those loyalties to them, but won't have a huge record of voting on corporatist agenda. I fear that person is Obama now. I still don't hold anything against Obama, but he has mystified me at times with some of his votes, and I want some more track record from him before I commit to supporting him for high office.

Someone I still feel would better fit the bill would be Russell Feingold.

[FrenchieCat]

12. And? What else is the Corporate media gonna do for us?

:boring:

[Totally Committed]

13. I am begging you all... Let's win on 11/7, then let CNN decide

who our nominee will be. :sarcasm:

Seriously... there is time for this dicussion, and it should come AFTER next Tuesday.

TC

[wisteria]

14. Why wasn't he out supporting Kerry instead of allowing the Repubs to

attack Kerry and our party.

Oh, and this is only a popularity poll. With all the positive press he has gotten, it is no wonder his numbers are up.

[AtomicKitten]

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[Radical Activist]

17. Hillary's poll numbers will continue to go down.

Lieberman was the front-runner in the polls very early in '03. They will both face the same fate.

[dogman]

18. Hold on to your hat.

It's an ill wind blowing in the Windy City. Hopefully there's nothing to this, but Illinois is known for dirty politics and this story is just revving up. This might not be the Fitzmas everyone hoped for. Rezko is tied to the Dem Governor and to bushco fund raisers.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/brown/121104,CST-NWS-brown02.article

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

20. Who created this list?

Don't we think it is a bit early in Mr. Obama's political career to be considering him for President? These kinds of things are just distractions, in my opinion. Like all the speculation over Hillary.
The country is not ready, no matter how much we think it may be, or want it to be, for either a woman or black (any person of color actually) President.

There are way too many ignorant, narrow minded, fearful people who would vote AGAINST etiher of those candidates becuase they can't imagine what it would be like if those candidates won.

It seems that we can still choose a Gore, Kerry, Edwards, or even a Wes Clarke first. If we can't agree then maybe consider Clinton or Obama. But there is no way they are on the "A" list. Of course, I could be wrong, been known to happen............ :shrug:

[Infinite Hope]

21. It means nothing...

sensationalism is high right now 2 years ahead of the election and in the middle of a media blitz on Obama.

[fujiyama]

24. Obama running is actually kind of exciting

and inspiring. I don't have a problem with Clark, Edwards, or Gore either for that matter. Clark has no particularly negative qualities I can think of (not as exciting a speaker maybe). Edwards however, seems a bit too polished. Gore's only problem is that people have preconceived notions about him, but I think his reputation can and will improve as people see more of him. I think his advocacy of combating global warming is especially impressive.

Obama definitely the most charismatic speaker in politics I've seen in a loooong time, in either party.

And while I wish he had more experience, in a way it's good. I would hate to see the repukes have a long laundry list of senate votes to cherry pick from.

[Clarkie1]

25. Clark/Obama would be a powerful ticket. nt

[FreeStateDemocrat]

27. After Hillary stabbed Kerry in the back, I' m down now to anyone but her..