Kerry Played Them

[Cobalt-60]

I believe Mr Kerry has employed what I refer to as the Quail Maneuver.
When Old Bush wanted to slip a few billion to his cronies, his VP Dan Quail would say something stupid in public.
While the cameras were pointed at the buffoon VP, Old Bush would get his business done.
Although John isn't running this time, the fascists burned a lot of their powder on him.
And now they're out of time, alas....

[baby_bear]

1. Quayle n/t

[Cobalt-60]

4. thats right

Sorry about the spelling error.

[sutz12]

5. Hey, it's appropriate to spell mister potatoe head's name wrong.

:)

[Name removed]

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[elocs]

3. Nice spin, but I think you give Kerry too much credit.

Fortunately, it passed quickly, but it will be used against Kerry in the upcoming 2 years. Democrats were and are doing far too well with the issues at hand and those which have been handed to them for any kind of deliberate risky maneuver such as Kerry's botched joke. When you are comfortably ahead in the 4th quarter you grind it out on the ground and wear down your opposition.
You don't go to the air with risky passes that the other team may intercept and get fired up about.

[Kahuna]

6. Even if the joke had come off as intended it was a stupid move..

because it was just enough to fire up some of the undecideds who would feel that bush was being picked on. And I think that many of them will show up for the GOP anyway because of what Kerry did.

[AtomicKitten]

7. and folks here are trying to sell this as a "good" thing

My point all along is that we don't know the full repercussions of this yet.

Aaarrgggghhh.

[Kahuna]

9. There are a lot of people in denial about John Kerry...

My take on Kerry has always been ambivalent. I've never been impressed by him. That is why I could not entertain supporting him during the primaries. During the pres campaign Kerry had to go back 35 years to cite an accomplishment and even that accomplishment was controversial. Everything I said that would be used against Kerry two years before the primaries was used against him because there was an element of truth. Mainly, the flip-flop label. Kerry has been speaking politician-ese for so long he doesn't know how to speak to normal people. Now, I don't doubt that Kerry is well-meaning. But what we need at the head of the party is someone who is not only well-meaning but who also has a common touch and some common sense. And sadly Kerry is lacking in those departments.

[AtomicKitten]

11. I'm just sickened by this.

Some people here just don't understand the implications. And I concur with your analysis.

check this out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2580394

[ProSense]

15. Agree!

Some people don't understand:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2580804&mesg_id=2581159

[elocs]

10. In sticking with the football analogy,

don't do stupid things at the end of the game when you have it won. Some years ago the University of Wisconsin Badgers had their bowl game all but won in the closing minute and had the ball near their own end zone. Instead of the quarterback taking a knee, the safe and prudent option, he handed off the ball to Ron Dayne who fumbled it and the other team recovered it and eventually scored a touchdown and won the game. Stupid move by the Badgers, stupid move by Kerry.

[Cameron27]

13. I agree and

if the Haggard scandal hadn't popped up, who knows how long the media frenzy would have kept this front page news. Howard Dean came out and said it was wrong, then tried to deflect the whole thing away from the dems.

It was a stupid remark at the wrong time.

[blm]

16. And yet he said a hundred times before with no alarm from anybody.

BushInc CREATED this lie against Kerry for the same reason they created the lie about the Clintons trashing the White HOuse. So they could look good in comparison.

They created the lie about WH trashing because they needed to drive down Clinton's high approvals, and to get the public to accept Bush as president because they knew eventuially the vote in Florida would show Gore won.

They demonized Kerry on this because they knew damn well Hacking DEmocracy was to be shown later in the week, so they had to create a lie against him to cover for their illegitimate presidency, yet again.

[mtnsnake]

8. Yeah, & Bill Buckner let that ground ball go thru his legs on purpose

[MGKrebs]

12. Is your tinfoil hat still under warranty?

I would send it back- it's still letting too many waves in.

There are many ways to change the subject of a debate without trying to engineer a fake insult to an honored group to do it.

I am confident that the conservative media machine just can't help itself when it comes to certain people- Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, any Clinton, and maybe Dean. It's Pavlovian. They are trained to attack these figures at any opportunity for any or no reason, so they do it even when it might be detrimental to their overall agenda.

I do like the idea of Dan Qualye as an evil mastermind though. :hide:

[high density]

14. You're kidding, right?

The righties have an infinite amount of "powder" because they have almost total control of the news cycles. They'll go off on whatever the hell they want. Kerry's stupid goof was a convenient way for them to roll the calendar back to August 2004. Kerry's own actions extended it at least two more news cycles after he appologized for it. The whole incident shows to me that he doesn't have a clue as to what he's doing when it comes to playing the right-wing media game. This was so obvious in 2004, but I incorrectly blamed that mostly on bad advisors.