Have you seen the Trailer for the new RFK film yet? It's called "Bobby"...

[Up2Late]

...and the ad I saw said it opens on Thanksgiving!

I'm not really sure how to feel about this movie, but it packed with MAJOR Stars and the review I just read was good.

Here's a few links to the movie Trailer and website:

<http://www.bobby-the-movie.com/>

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308055>

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308055/trailers>

Also, here's a link to something related I posted in the new DU Video forum before I knew about this new movie:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x3371>

[Erika]

1. I saw Bobby's "grave site" in Arlington

It touched me deeply. Just a white wooden cross on a hillside next to his brother's grave. That's all Bobby wanted, just a white wooden cross.

[provis99]

2. come on, the kennedys?

they all remind me of the Mayor Quimby character on the Simpsons. Am I one of the few leftists who think the Kennedy "legacy" is dubious at best, and distracts from real liberal accomplishments? Lets see, we have Joe Kennedy, the patriarch arch-criminal moonshiner; John Kennedy, serial male slut, tax lowering friend of the rich, anti-communist fruitcake, Cuban obsessed warmonger, Vietnam War expander, and anti-civil rights crusader; Bobby Kennedy, stooge of the Committe of Un-American Activities, fanatical Martin Luther King wiretapper, anti-Hollywood crusader, and 1968 political opportunist against Eugene McCarthy; Ted Kennedy, perpetual drunk, pantless skirt-chaser and robber of other liberals' political ideas; Patrick Kennedy, full-time incompetent Representative and drug addict... I mean the list goes on and on. (Plus, what's up with Maria Shriver).

As a person really concerned about liberal causes, I really could have done without the entire Kennedy family. Even John F. Kennedy Jr. famously wrote on the clowns and fools that constituted his extended family.

How about us having heroes like FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Henry Wallace, or Adlai Stevenson? Much better representatives of the liberal ideal.

[jannyk]

3. Oh my.....

:popcorn:

[Erika]

4. The oldest Kennedy died in the war, JFK & Bobby were

assisinated. But you talk about their weaknesses?

Oh my, says it all.

[Up2Late]

5. You're a "leftist"??? You sure don't sound like one.

You know, if you go too far "left" you eventually end up coming back around on the right.

More comment's like that will definitely shorten your stay here.:mad:

[Erika]

6. or the mindless far right n/t

[Downtown Hound]

7. Hmmm...Kennedy was Vietnam War expander

and an anti-communist fruitcake, but LBJ was a much better representative of the liberal idea?

JFK had a plan for getting America out of Vietnam. He made a mistake in getting us there at tall but he understood that and attempted to rectify it, but was killed. LBJ oversaw a staged attack in the Gulf of Tonkin and took the Vietnam War into high gear, causing 58,00 American deaths and more than 2.5 million Vietnamese. I could really care less about the Kennedy legacy, but your list has some really dubious statements on it.

[bobbie]

13. Of course you're right Downtown Hound

President Kennedy had already taken the steps to get us out of Vietnam. He signed National Security Action Memorandum #263 which ordered all US personnel out of Vietnam by the end of 1965.

LBJ reversed NSAM #263 in his first days in office, and replaced it with NSAM #273, escalating the Vietnam war. As you point out, he then lied about the so-called Gulf of Tonkin "incident" to justify many more troops in Vietnam.

Thanks for fighting disinformation with facts.

[VOX]

10. "LBJ...better representative of the liberal ideal." YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!

LBJ went hand-in-glove with the military-industrial complex! Can you say "Gulf of Tonkin?" Can you say "napalm?" Can you say "escalation?" Can you say "quagmire?"

LBJ was good with civil rights legislation, but his foreign policy reeked of war-profiteering, callousness, and utter cluelessness.

[bobbie]

14. You so got that thug LBJ pegged KrazyKat

LBJ was the war-profiteers boy. It's why he was installed in the White House.

LBJ's big sponsor in politics was Brown and Root. Yes that Brown and Root, now Halliburton.

The shit that is going down now has been over 50 years in the making. It started with the 1963 coup and...here we are today.

[Tellurian]

11. 53 posts too many here, I suspect..

We're Liberals, but not THAT Liberal..

Here's your hat, what you're hurry? :hi:

[bobbie]

12. If you're a leftest then you are one of the few not to know their greatness

It would clearly help you to know some facts. For example, in spite of his horrible cold remote parents, here's what President Kennedy accomplished in his short three years:

-Started the Peace Corp.

-Signed National Security Action Memorandum #263 on Oct. 11, 1963, which ordered all US personnel out of Vietnam by the end of 1965, stating:

"A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time.

"In accordance with the program to train progressively Vietnamese to take over military functions, the Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963. This action should be explained in low key as an initial step in a long-term program to replace U.S. personnel with trained Vietnamese without impairment of the war effort" (Pentagon Papers, NY: Bantam, 1971, pp. 211-212).

That sure pissed off the war profiteers. But not to worry. LBJ to their rescue.
LBJ reversed NSAM #263 in his first days in office, and replaced it with NSAM #273, escalating the Vietnam war. He then lied about the so-called Gulf of Tonkin "incident" to justify many more troops in Vietnam and...that didn't go so well. Except for the war profiteers.

But back to President Kennedy's accomplishments:

-At the height of the Cold War he pursued peace with Russia by signing the nuclear test ban treaty, and giving a major speech at American University making it clear he wants to end the cold war. That further pissed off the war-profiteers.

-He promised not to invade Cuba, which pissed off the CIA and the mob.

-Printed US currency instead of Federal Reserve currency (to prevent us from paying interest on our own money). That sure pissed off the rich bankers.

-Planned to reduce or eliminate the oil depletion allowance that was a major factor in making Texas oil moguls so rich. That sure pissed off the rich Texan oil moguls.

-Tried like hell to crack down on a CIA that was clearly out of control, assassinating foreign leaders, staging coups, and spreading propaganda. He planned on eliminating the CIA. That sure pissed them off . Of course he was eliminated before he could eliminate the CIA...

Starting to see how he stood up to the rich and powerful in order to do what he thought was best for the people? In every case, right down the line, he ignored his war monger military advisers and pushed for peace. An end to the Cold War. And end to the Vietnam "conflict."

But your "liberal ideal" FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor and kill 3000 people even though he knew well in advance that the attack was coming. But he was determined to get us into WW2. Then he robbed Japanese Americans--citizens mind you--of all their property and locked them into detention camps.

I'm surprised a die hard "leftest" like you would perpetuate the propaganda that has been spread ever since JFK's murder in an effort to ruin his legacy. President Kennedy--"warmonger"? "Vietnam War expander"? You really don't have a clue do you?

[Up2Late]

19. Thank You Bobbie! You said it much better then I ever could.

It's just amazing how much of this Kennedy Dis-info has become the excepted history, sad really. :applause: :yourock:

I'm sure others have said by now but... Welcome to DU :toast:

[mrgorth]

16. If I were you

I'd do some reading on RFK.

[Bridget Burke]

20. I don't think the Kennedys were superhuman....

I do think that the country--& the world--would be far better off if JFK & RFK had not been murdered.

(But perhaps I'm not enough of a "Leftist.")

[allalone]

8. I fell in love with Bobby

when J. Edgar Hoover when called him that little son of a bitch. All right, if J. Edgar hates him, he must be great.

[Erika]

9. Yah, remember when the media hounded him for his long hair

and he just grinned at them and said he just got a hair cut? I loved him also.

[CarolNYC]

15. Is saw the trailer when someone posted it here a while ago...

Bobby was my first political hero. It will be very hard for me to watch this film. I know I will cry a lot...but I don't see how I can miss it.

[jbnow]

17. That's how I feel too

I loved him in the way only an idealistic kid can do. I was barely turned 13, got all my friends to work for his campaign (on our own0. I fiercely debated my teacher who also felt he waited for McCarthy to oppose Johnson first.
I was so full of hope.

I recall the pain like it was yesterday. Crushing. Stunning.

Did get my first "published" writing. My mom found a poem I'd written about it on my desk, showed her mom and they sent it to the paper. I didn't know until it was published. I was furious, like my guts were exposed.

Those guts are still raw.

Because we liked him so much it seems we'd want to see it but I feel the ache in my chest just thinking of it.

[xkenx]

18. There is present-day hope, and it is Wes Clark

Not since Bobby Kennedy have I been so inspired by a public figure as I have been inspired by Wes Clark. He is our hope for 2008.