ALL RIGHT! Something fishy is going on in the Montana Senate Race!

[Up2Late]

Why are most of the counties reporting 100% votes in, but according to CNN website, one county (Meagher) ALL ZEROS! 0% vote reported, Zero Votes reported!

<http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MT/S/01/county.001.html#30059>

And Gallatin, with only 2% reported! :wtf:

<http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MT/S/01/county.000.html>

And then there is Cascade, which says 0% reported but has over 9000 votes reported? <http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MT/S/01/county.000.html>

You all might think I'm crazy worrying about these far West races, but this is the type of stuff you need to look for, ask questions about, and create some sort of time stamped digital record of these questions, to catch and proove "voting irregularities" like this.

[AntiWarPoster]

1. im right with you late

74% to 70% precincts on CNN?>

[eleny]

2. get screen captures or save the page to disk

[ourvoicescount]

3. You're dead on. Palast said to watch the West this time...

People on the ground there?

[Debi]

4. Yellowstone was @ 43% is now at 0%

but I think it's just CNN's web page and not Montana.

[Up2Late]

29. It's not just CNN, CBS and the Montana SoS web page show the same...

...this is definitely not normal.

[file83]

5. For a while, CBS and Montana.gov had LESS vote totals than CNN...

...now CNN has LESS than Montana.gov, but Montana.gov didn't change!!

CNN is now the same as CBS:
Democrat Tester
138,102 50%

Republican Burns
(Incumbent)
132,411 48%


But Montana is now:
County Totals Tester 140883 Burns 132183

[pacalo]

6. I'm having flashbacks of Ohio 2004.

[havocmom]

7. We are an odd place. Many hand counted counties

But Gallatin is starting to come in. Is that where they have had machine problems? I am not watching TV. Havocdad is giving me reports from the TV and I am online.

Ordinarily, I would trust results here about 99%. This year, at this point, and with Cheney just over the border, I would not put ANYTHING past the thugs.

If they plan to steal, this would be the pivot no one was watching for it.

Holding my breath again. Getting too old for this shit.

[Gregorian]

8. Cascade is reporting.

It's over fifty percent. With Tester in the lead.

Let's hope it finalizes quickly.

[Up2Late]

11. Yup, Cascade just jumped up to 61%

I think we still need to watch this one (Montana Senate), it looks like Tester should win this one, judging from most of the returns so far, but this is exactly when most of the flaky counts usually start showing up.

[eleny]

9. are they trying to pull something n the middle of the night?

[Up2Late]

13. This is almost exactly the same time that crazy results started happening...

...in 2002 and 2004, so I'd have to say Yes.

[eleny]

14. Rove is on the phone for sure

[PretzelWarrior]

21. this is what they do. steal in the dead of night

when all the balloons and tv cameras are swept away. they did it in Florida. then in Ohio. now here. It has got to stop.

I for one am glad the Democrats have been ALL OVER each and every potential irregularity including getting court orders for late polls in Ohio.

We'll see how they respond to this very odd and highly suspect vote reporting.

[file83]

10. I filled in the "blanks" in the Montana Data with CNN's data and got this:

Jon Tester
146972

Conrad Burns
136373

Stan Jones
9939

Total Votes
293284

[jgraz]

20. CNN exits show Tester winning by 2%

All of the full exit polls show Tester 50, B*rns 48. Just take a look at CNN's full exits and multiply out the line items. The current spread should hold unless there's some late-night shenanigans.

Save screen shots in case this changes.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/MT/S/01/epolls.0.html

Remember, this is the same website that had Kerry 53, Bush 47 until the raw data was "adjusted".

[Carla in Ca]

12. What a fabulous win this will be!

Talent was leading, then lost to McCaskill... WooHoo!! It will happen.

Ironic that the R's biggest victory is here in California. They only got it because Arnold had to go to the left to recover from his failing propositions and attitude. Amazing.

[RummyTheDummy]

15. Could it be the CNN website is wrong

And not anything involving the vote totals. Just a thought...a rare rational thought on this thread...but humor me.

[eleny]

16. CBS shows same as CNN

http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2006/county.shtml?state=MT&race=S&jurisdiction=0

[Up2Late]

23. I bet their web pages are automated to show the same data.

Just a guess though.

[txb]

17. here's the official MT link. 5 counties at 0% reporting-->

http://www.sos.state.mt.us/ELB/archives/2006/elections/general/ussenate/index.asp


this looks bad.

ugly.

very f'ing ugly.

[Casablanca]

19. It could be. CNN is probably tracking the MT state numbers.

I'm not in tin-foil hat mode yet, but losing that many votes when the vote percentage was supposedly nearing 50% leads me to believe that something very unusual is happening. Could be a verification of the current count, could be a fix.

[Up2Late]

18. Yellowstone just when to all ZEROS now!

0% reporting, 0 votes totaled

I got a good screen capture of that one in both tiff and Jpeg (at 150dpi)

[kevin881]

27. there is a recount going on in yellowstone county EOM

[eleny]

22. Do they vote on the e-machines in Montana?

Just wondering how many paper ballots can be counted. If it's high, then Montana can be recounted pretty quick. If it's e-voting, we could be cooked.

[txb]

24. down to 5300 votes now..... n/t

[Casablanca]

33. Paper ballots or ES&S optical scan readers.

http://www.sos.state.mt.us/ELB/Voting_Tech.asp


Depending on where they live, Montanans vote in two ways: by paper ballot or optical-scan ballot. Following are the specific voting technologies that will be used in each county in 2006 elections:

Optical-scan ballots (40 counties)

Big Horn


ES&S Model 150

Blaine


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Broadwater


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Carbon


ES&S Model 150, Model 100 Precinct Counter

Cascade


ES&S Model 650

Custer


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Dawson


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Deer Lodge


ES&S Model 650

Fallon


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Fergus


ES&S Model 650

Flathead


ES&S Model 650

Gallatin


ES&S Model 650, Model 100 Precinct Counter

Glacier


ES&S Model 150

Granite


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Hill


ES&S Eagle OpTech Model 200

Jefferson


ES&S Model 650

Lake


ES&S Model 650

Lewis & Clark


ES&S Model 650

Liberty


ES&S Eagle OpTech

Lincoln


ES&S Model 150

Madison


ES&S Model 150

McCone


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Mineral


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Missoula


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter, Model 650

Musselshell


ES&S Model 100, ES&S OpTech Eagle III-P

Park


ES&S Model 115

Phillips


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Pondera


ES&S Model 150

Powell


ES&S Model 650

Ravalli


ES&S Model 315

Richland


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Roosevelt


ES&S Model 150, Model 100 Precinct Counter

Rosebud


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Sanders


ES&S Model 650

Sheridan


ES&S Model 150

Silver Bow


ES&S Model 150

Stillwater


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Toole


ES&S Model 150

Valley


ES&S Model 100 Precinct Counter

Yellowstone


ES&S Model 550, Model 150

[kevin881]

25. here is what MSNBC says about Yellowstone county

"In Montana, veteran Republican power broker Conrad Burns trailed Democrat Jon Tester, 50 percent to 48 percent. But about a quarter of the precincts yet to report because problems with new voting equipment meant the last voter did not cast his ballot until 11:55 p.m. and required a recount of every vote in Yellowstone County."



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15603424/

[Casablanca]

31. So is it the same story for the other four precincts showing a 0% count?

MSNBC still has some explaining to do on that story. And, as someone else as mentioned, are they using e-machines and how are they conducting the recount?

[ticapnews]

26. If you check Yellowstone County...

you'll see it has been reset to 0 because they are doing a full recount.

11/08/06 1:15 a.m.
Yellowstone County is counting the ballots again.

[eleny]

28. Matthews just said they are recounting by hand

And that they should have the final count between 5 and 7 AM Mountain Time.

[still_one]

30. is yellowstone a democratic area?

[Up2Late]

34. Probably, lots of National Park workers there.

69 Precincts too, that seems like a lot, but it is a very big area, I guess.

[jgraz]

32. Here comes the theft!

1% more precincts and Tester drops another 1%. This is gonna end badly.

[PermanentRevolution]

35. DAMN IT!

Tester dropping. 49% to 48% 4,000 vote difference.

Come on! Let's pull this off!

[eleny]

36. Matthews just had a Montana journalist on the phone

The guy said that the difference between the two candidates would have to go down to 900 votes for automatic recount.

Tester confident to hold Yellowstone County.

[Princess Turandot]

37. Tweety just spoke to a reporter out in the wild of montana..

who told him that there were 5 counties left to be counted, including Yellowstone, which they are re-counting for some reason. The guy was with the Dem officials. While he wasn't super-articulate, I believe he was saying that the Dems expect the Yellowstone numbers to stay the same
and that they expected to take 2 of the unreported counties. They are expecting to win.

For what it's worth!

[Up2Late]

39. I wish we could call C.M. and ask him the question I posed below.

I'd like that answer please.

[Up2Late]

38. O.K., here's another question: Why are only TWO Counties at 0% in the House race?

<http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MT/H/01/county.000.html>

Meagher and Yellowstone

Same State, Same Ballots, Same Machines counting the votes!

Why are they having so much LESS trouble counting the House of Rep votes, as they are having with this "tight Senate Race"???

Riddle me that Batman.:argh: :wtf:

edit to add links:

<http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MT/H/01/county.001.html>

<http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MT/H/01/county.002.html>

[Casablanca]

40. Excellent question.

The timing couldn't be more suspicious. Just when the Dem governor was about the call the election ("within a half hour") and tie up the Senate count, this happens in several remote rural precincts. It could very well be all above board, but after 2000, 2002, and 2004, I think concern at this point is more than justified.

Whoever has the time to track this for the next few hours, watch this story like a hawk and save webpages and screendumps.

[Up2Late]

41. Well, now that CNN and CBS have more complete numbers that the MT SoS page...

I'm posting what the SoS web page has at this point:

---------------Jon Tester Stan Jones Conrad Burns Total Votes
County Totals 141953 7359 137241 286553
Beaverhead 0 0 0 0
Big Horn 2999 84 1551 4634
Blaine 1390 62 1226 2678
Broadwater 0 0 0 0
Carbon 2247 136 2510 4893
Carter 98 14 554 666
Cascade 10894 368 9633 20895
Chouteau 1491 39 1345 2875
Custer 1991 128 2581 4700
Daniels 424 22 594 1040
Dawson 1595 115 2427 4137
Deer Lodge 3211 114 1096 4421
Fallon 347 21 951 1319
Fergus 504 43 861 1408
Flathead 9360 942 14324 24626
Gallatin 9718 399 9937 20054
Garfield 98 10 483 591
Glacier 0 0 0 0
Golden Valley 181 7 298 486
Granite 594 62 862 1518
Hill 3411 117 2320 5848
Jefferson 2450 148 2715 5313
Judith Basin 377 30 785 1192
Lake 4265 337 4176 8778
Lewis & Clark 12396 485 9591 22472
Liberty 401 14 596 1011
Lincoln 2437 266 3455 6158
Madison 1224 99 2311 3634
Mccone 394 22 624 1040
Meagher 0 0 0 0
Mineral 796 50 779 1625
Missoula 29327 942 16610 46879
Musselshell 670 98 1382 2150
Park 3731 201 3441 7373
Petroleum 74 11 180 265
Phillips 559 59 1366 1984
Pondera 1080 55 1494 2629
Powder River 248 28 734 1010
Powell 1052 93 1454 2599
Prairie 213 17 455 685
Ravalli 7906 462 10273 18641
Richland 1354 109 2381 3844
Roosevelt 2303 57 1573 3933
Rosebud 1895 106 1425 3426
Sanders 2165 234 2575 4974
Sheridan 988 46 988 2022
Silver Bow 6762 239 3029 10030
Stillwater 1556 143 2262 3961
Sweet Grass 563 60 1115 1738
Teton 1252 62 1755 3069
Toole 759 69 1196 2024
Treasure 161 15 260 436
Valley 1550 88 1893 3531
Wheatland 327 25 498 850
Wibaux 165 6 317 488
Yellowstone 0 0 0 0
TOTAL 141953 7359 137241 286553

As of 4:28am EST
<http://www.sos.state.mt.us/ELB/archives/2006/elections/general/ussenate/index.asp>

[PermanentRevolution]

42. Well it IS possible

that CNN and CBS are updating their website faster, I suppose.

As long as Tester's still got the lead, I'll take their numbers.

[EFerrari]

43. CNN stayed ahead of our CA SOS most of the night, fwiw. nt

[Up2Late]

44. Oh here they come, the "re-counted" Yellowstone votes!

Looks more like Re-programmed votes to me.

Yellowstone
Updated: 5:18 a.m. ET

Republican Burns
(Incumbent)
7,816 49% 14% of precincts reporting

Democratic Tester
7,572 48%

Libertarian Jones
398 3%

<http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MT/S/01/county.002.html>

Montana Senate
Updated: 5:19 a.m. ET

Democratic Tester
158,068 49% 87% of precincts reporting votes by county voter survey results

Republican Burns
(Incumbent)
153,453 48%
Full MT
Libertarian Jones
8,279 3%

[Naturyl]

45. 36% of "re-counted" precincts now reporting, and it ain't good

The lead we had before they "zeroed" it out is long gone. We are down 51-47 in Yellowstone with a margin of 1135 votes. The overall lead statewide has dropped to 2457 votes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. From the SOS site

zero reporting

http://sos.mt.gov/ELB/archives/2006/elections/general/counties/Yellowstone/index.asp


Where is the media getting their numbers

[Up2Late]

47. This kick is for me, so that I have the link on my MyDU page

But any updates anyone wants to ad are welcome.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Its been called for US

we got MT... and VA is basically in the bag too.

Can you say amjority in both houses? I knew you could

[Up2Late]

49. LOL, I know what you mean, but how do you pronounce that?

How do you pronounce amjority? :P

A quick spell check would be good.;-)