The true victory was probably MUCH BIGGER

[Milo_Bloom]

Does anyone else believe that we won DESPITE a cheating effort? That the wave was large enough to overcome to the 2-3 % points of votes that were stolen?

I didn't pay too much attention to the exit polls, but the final results looked alot tighter than what I remember seeing yesterday. I didn't do screen captures, so maybe I am remembering wrong, but seeing the exit polls I thought, "This won't even be close"

I don't think the "base came back" to the GOP as many tried to claim last night... I think they managed to cheat enough to make a UBER PWNAGE look like just a landslide and solid defeats look like tight races and narrow defeats look like virtual ties.

I really REALLY Hope that one of the main things this congress focuses on is cleaning up the election process in this country.

PLEASE don't let the voting process get lost in the victory, we need to make sure future elections do not need landslide victories!

[BattyDem]

1. I honestly believe they tried to steal it, but they couldn't overcome the turnout.

Despite the polls, they were very arrogant and confident leading up to the election. It didn't make any sense ... unless they "knew" they had it in the bag.

[wake.up.america]

3. u got that right.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Correct

and their last two best hopes were MT and VA and the turnout was so big, they could NOT overcome it

[kenny blankenship]

4. That looks very possible particularly in VA and MT

where the exit polls and tallied results are way out of whack compared to the smooth conformance between polling and results elsewhere.

Cheating in a decentralized system like the United States is a more a matter of a handful of individuals in county and state gov't taking matters into their own hands, than it is a "grand conspiracy" of top Party bosses and strategists working with corporate technicians.

[survivor999]

9. I di dnot realize they were not in synch.

[kenny blankenship]

11. Exit poll data suggests clearer Dem wins like other Senate pickups

but the tallied election results in VA and MT show near ties. In the other Senate pickups for us the actual election result is within 1% of the exit polling projection. Tentative conclusion: VA and MT are only close because some Republicans in some counties and precincts were cheating. It's like when a murder suspect is guilty but the police plant evidence to make certain of a guilty verdict: the suspect can be guilty but also "framed". In this case, the GOP is cheating but still losing.

[minerva50]

17. I wish Allen really would demand a full investigation of the vote

but I suspect he will quickly fold his tent and go home for fear of exposing the cheating.

[Bonhomme Richard]

5. If it were close they would have stollen it.

No Doubt at all. Hell, they did it at least twice.

[lcordero2]

6. !!!!!!!!

Try 5% and on top of that a voter suppression and intimidation campaign. With both, I think that 8%+ is a more reasonable estimate.

We truly need to dump these machines.

http://www.gregpalast.com/how-they-stole-the-mid-term-election#more-1530

[Iwasthere]

7. Hackers chickened out with all the monitoring going on and...

Some just decided that they were on the wrong side and didn't go through with it. Enough of em just didn't come through for *. Bet he is steaming and wants some heads to roll.

[nashville_brook]

8. there was supression for sure, in addition to evidence of e-cheating

i don't think they were as effective in their e-cheating as they were in 2004

[DinahMoeHum]

10. Check out the "Secretary of State Project". . .

http://www.secstateproject.org/candidate_oh.htm#

5 of the 8 endorsed candidates won the Secretary of State office. They're the overseers of elections.

And you can bet your ass these good folks are gonna clean up the elections process.

:kick:

[xxqqqzme]

13. I can't believe Debra Bowen wasn't

on that list - She started making waves over e-voting when she was a State Senator. Thank goodness she won and we can get rid of that steroid boy appointed rethug mcpherson. Bowen even wants to change elections to Saturday & Sunday!

[DinahMoeHum]

15. They probably felt she was going to win anyway, and decided

to concentraten on lesser-known candidates. But believe me, they welcome her into their ranks of winners!!

:kick:

[colonel odis]

12. i agree. the real numbers were probably closer to bush's approval numbers.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Oh STFU

Ridiculous.

One of the great results of this thing is that the stolen election crowd has been as discredited as the republicans.

[Barack_America]

16. Agreed...

Conspiracy theories = YAWN.

I guess now that the Dems are in power we'll have to start talking about something else.

[Milo_Bloom]

18. How so?

Still looks pretty fishy from here? Exit polls in MT and VA did not jive with results and some congressional races look far closer than the pre-election polling suggested they would be.

GA-12, NM-1, OH-2, OH-15 indicated dem victories, but are now all too close to call.

OH-1 polling indicated a dem victory, but wound up as a 6 point loss.

ID-1 polling indicated a dem victory, but wound up as a 5 point loss.

Ignore this real issue at your own peril.

I gotta go with dailykos on what was posted yesterday, we NEED to work towards a better system for voting.

I am just damn glad that the democratic victory was significant enough to overcome the 2-3% of the vote that has been stolen in the last few elections.

[ccpup]

19. My, my ...

that was astonishingly Repuglican of you. If you check your Dem Handbook, you'll discover that, instead of talking in unison from an agreed upon playbook of talking points, we actually have our own opinions and allow others who disagree with us to have their say, whether we like what they share or not.

To do otherwise would be, well, Republican!

So, no, we won't STFU. Cheers! :toast:

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. Anyone is perfectly allowed to say anything

Just as I am allowed to wish out loud that some people with their discredited nonsense would just, finally, shut the fuck up.

See how that works?

[ccpup]

27. yes, it's wonderful.

and I can respond by telling you to STFU. we can then shake hands and agree to disagree. ain't America grand?

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. That's indeed how it works

I'm glad you were able to learn something through this episode.

[ccpup]

30. perhaps someday you will too

best of luck

[alcibiades_mystery]

32. perhaps I will

One day...

[TheWatcher]

20. Perhaps you should STFU

Just because we won does not discredit anybody. If you watch the HBO Documentary Hacking Democracy, this never was a laughing matter, and you still have to account for what happened in 2002, and 2004.

I suppose now you wish everyone to just forget what happened there, like it never happened. WE WON'T. You aren't going to shut us up on this issue. You can insult and denigrate all you want, but the issue is NOT going away, so you had better learn to deal with it.

I agree with the assessment that the turn out was so large that there was no way they could steal it with the current infrastructure they have in place.

What we need to do know is GET RID of these damn machines so that they can't so something like they did the previous two elections.

As for you, as usual, you are a complete ass even in victory. Although you being on our side has always been a bit suspect.

Why am I not surprised.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Oh, yes, sooooo suspect

Because I'm not lockstep on the lunatic train, I'm suspect. You'd make a good Stalinist, since we're trading personal insults. Little street corner commisar, evaluating the Party Purity of your neighbors and various neighborhood children.

[rinsd]

21. .

:thumbsup:

[Ignis]

25. Right, who listens to that Greg Palast wacko, anyway?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[Mr_Spock]

33. .

:thumbsup: :kick:

[incapsulated]

24. Keep Despair Alive!!

For fucks sake, this is sad.

No one here doesn't want the system reformed so it cannot be stolen.

But some of you won't be happy unless it IS, it seems.

[rinsd]

26. LOL. The eyeores!

[Vidar]

28. I agree.

[POAS]

31. They misunderestimated the turnout.