Obama is 7 points behind Hillary for 08

[bigdarryl]

Clinton 29% Obama 22% Gore 13% i don't think Gore's going to run so the question is where will that 13% go. Obama could take Hillary out.

[rocktivity]

1. I think Obama would be the perfect VP

Especially if he paired up with Wes Clark.

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[AtomicKitten]

2. or Gore

both excellent men!

[rocktivity]

4. Yes, Gore would be my second choice after Clark

The point being, I think Obama would have an easier time becoming president if he spent the next four to eight years looking over a president's shoulder.

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[AtomicKitten]

5. I agree.

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[joeprogressive]

6. Agree w/ both of you

and add Feingold into the mix. Any combo of Clark/Obama/Gore/Feingold is tough to beat.

[bigdarryl]

3. Why a VP this country isn't going to pick a woman running..

for president and her running mate is a african american. i think Obama will be the dem's best chance. i listened to Hillary give her victory speech and i am sorry she can't deliver a speech

[fujiyama]

9. The speech was grating and incredibly difficult to listen to

I had to turn it off. Her tone just irritates me.

And I'm freakin pissed she spent 30 million dollars on her safe seat, when a lot of that money could have gone toward close House races.

[MercutioATC]

7. No has-beens. No Kerry, no Clark, no Gore....not even Dr. Dean.

We have two years to make some up-and-comer a star.

We'd better get started...

[Imagevision]

11. Rockstars need only to apply...

[Sensitivity]

13. Applications period ends in 6 months.

[MercutioATC]

16. You get my drift. We need to find a candidate who APPEALS to people.

I'm not suggesting putting up just any rock star...I AM advocating considering the wisdom of creating the right rock star.

[Bucky]

18. Seger-Bono for '08?

[Mass]

25. OK, let's run Springsteen, if it is what we need.

I prefer a president, but if we need a rockstar, let's run him.

[blm]

20. And when your 'star' blows it during the give and take of hard fought series of debates?

Then what?

The GOP used to say Bush is the one because he is like a "rock star" wherever he goes (back in the 90s)

Like it or not, the Dem voters tend to actually vote depending on who dominates the debates, and at a certain point during the series it becomes obvious who is best prepared and competent.

Picking a 'star' now is silly and sophomoric unless you've seen how they operate over the course of a grueling campaign and debates.

2004 was the hardest situation for all the Dems who participated. Never before was there a GOP who controlled almost every aspect of the media. Think about the stuff that Bush1 and Clinton debated, and look at what the 2004 primary Dems were stuck with - - every voting issue was a serious matter at that point. There was no luxury of a pet issue.

[MercutioATC]

23. We nominate the "non-rock-star" Kerry on 2004....how'd that work for us?

Wanna talk about somebody making horrible public statements???

Yes, Kerry is a good Dem. Yes, he's intelligent. Yes, he usually speaks competently...and sometimes he speaks brilliantly.

But when he blows it, he REALLY blows it.

..and that screwed us in 2004.

The VP is whatever the party wants to make them. They can be folksy. They can be sharp. They can be viscerally appealing. As long as they meet the Dem sniff test, I'd suggest that "viscerally appealing" will get us more mileage than other criteria.

[blm]

29. He never really blew it. The media lied to claim he did, a lie they can create about ANYONE.

You think a rock star is not going to have a corrupt media editting him or blowing up the slightest faux pas into a scandal? Name that Dem who controls newsroom editting rooms.

You can take a thousand speeches and appearances by ANY Democrat and I doubt you can find one who makes fewer slips of the tongue than John Kerry. The Gore invented the internet lie was created from an awkwardly worded answer in an interview. BushInc pored over all his interviews to come up with that and they beat him mercilessly for a completely made up story.

It doesn't matter what you say, they'll choose ANYTHING to create a lie.

The people in 2004 saw a competent, presidential Democrat at the debates. The media did their best to distort it so Bush could get away with stealing it....yet again.

Did you really think that the few times Kerry misspoke or dropped a pronoun was anything serious? Especially compared to the DAILY FUCKEDUP wordings of the Bushboy?

[blm]

32. BTW secure the election process and most any Dem can win. Return the Fairness Doctrine and

any competent Democrat WILL WIN.

[rocktivity]

22. Without our own national noise machine, we can't build a candidate from scratch

Remember how the MSM pretty much ignored Kerry unless they were attacking him? We need people with built-in name recognition, and who can't be attacked for going with the Repubs before going against them. That's why Clark, Obama, and Dean are on top of my list.

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[Mass]

27. Dont worry. They will be attacked. We need to fix the media first.

[Imagevision]

8. Hillary and Obama, Obama will have no difficulties putting away Hil...

Gore & Kerry? been there, done that!

[Thrill]

10. Neither are going to win

its going to take someone like Evan Bayh

[Sensitivity]

12. any link?

[The Count]

14. Maybe it's a poll where we can actually vote, and show whom we really want

so it has to be kept off limits...
or it's a MSM "here are your choices" kinds dealie, I don't want neither Hillary, nor Obama.

[Sensitivity]

15. Maybe we can also figure out unity of leadership and policy for next

couple years.

[Bucky]

17. Oh please

This poll does not reflect well on my candidate, so obviously it sucks, is inaccurate and irrelevent, and focuses on the "horse race" over the substance of a campaign.

[USMA Dem]

19. So what about that Clark guy?

[Bucky]

30. Every poll that shows Clark in the lead is plausible. All that deny this are Rove's tricks.

[BlueManDude]

21. They would both give back our House majority to the GOPers

Hillary would be a disaster beyond belief.

[Mass]

24. May be we could see who will run and how things go.

When I look at the prognostic one year ago concerning the senate, I can see how these prognostications are fun, but meaningless.

[mtnsnake]

26. Unless some other magic bullet comes along, Obama will overtake her

and win the primaries I think. The guy has what it takes to play.

[Catchawave]

28. What's the source of your poll ?

Helps us poli-junkies keep score :D

[politicasista]

31. If we don't have paper trail ballots, none of this matters

We also still have a GOP owned and controlled broadcast media, but people forget that too. flame me if you want. :hide: