This should not be considered a liberal win?

[inthebrain]

Is that the message from the RNC?

Something seems rather wrong with this. The defining characteristic in this election was ANTI WAR. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but..........................................Anti war sounds like a liberal position to me.

Media can spin all they like. The results are in and even red America is no loner listening to the right wing pundits.

[Eric J in MN]

1. They should tell Bernie Sanders of VT,

...the first self-described Socialist elected to the US Senate, that liberals didn't win yesterday.

[KingFlorez]

2. It's a win for Liberals

This election was clearly a rejection of radical conservatism.

[mikeybabe125]

3. not just liberals...

but ANYONE under the Democratic banner

[emulatorloo]

4. Repubs confused because Dems are fiscally responsible

as opposed to thier crazy spend-thrift President.

[AtomicKitten]

5. what it is is NOT a Republican win

hahahahahahahahaha
woo-hoo

[Freedom_from_Chains]

6. Yeah, Rush was saying today that it was a vote for conservatism

but then, he also said this.

http://www.billbradbury.com/media/swf/rush-limbaugh.swf

[orpupilofnature57]

7. Fuck what that Big Fat Idiot say's and Fuck conservatives! Long Live Liberals!!

Lest we forget the mean spirited ,isolated feeling of just 2 yrs ago.

[Eric J in MN]

8. Did you listen to his radio show today and hear that? NT

NT

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. Oh yeah, I wouldn't miss the spin of desperation that I knew would

be taking place today and as expected Rush lived up to expectations, it was truly psychotic.

[Eric J in MN]

12. What was Rush Limbaugh's argument that....

...the country supported conservativism yesterday?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

13. Well, what he was saying is that Democrats ran candidates

who were more centrist and not really true liberals and while I might agree that some are centrist the overall argument is just plain bogus. But it gives something for his sheep to hang on too and right not they don't have much.

[Eric J in MN]

14. Candidates like Claire McCaskill may not be liberals,

...but they're close enough for me to be glad they won.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

15. Exactly, but as Rush always frames his argument the definition

of a liberal is a socialist\communist and that simply is not true. But it gives his audience something to be in fear of and so it works for him.

[orpupilofnature57]

17. Waste of life , Misanthropy is his Everything.

[Brotherjohn]

9. By my count, the vast majority of Dem winners are proud liberals.

A few are centrists. And even the conservatives and moderates who voted them in knew they were also voting to put a liberal agenda in charge.

As you point out, very many of them were also voting anti-war, a liberal position even when coming from a Republican voter.

[gully]

11. This is considered a RATIONAL win!

I don't care what label they choose to slap on it.

[Pragmatic Pilgrim]

16. More like a Moderate win, IMHO.

Analysis:

A. Over the years, the Repulsives have moved farther and farther Right. Meanwhile, the Dems have stayed pretty close to where we've been since FDR. By comparison, we look like Moderates.

B. The Repulsives have gradually become so Radical Right that they're scaring much of the public, most of whom declare themselves to be "Moderate" or "Conservative." They look back at the 90s and realize they sure FELT a lot happier and safer under the Moderate Bill Clinton.

C. The war greatly increased their fear and their discomfort with the Repulsives, and Bush's apparent intention to keep it going forever scared them even more.

D. They looked around to find candidates who would "change things," but who WOULDN'T make a sudden Left turn. Radical Left scares them as much as Radical Right.

E. When they found those candidates, they decided to give them a chance to steer the Ship of State which, in their opinion, was listing too far to the Right (imperialistic war-mongering, catering to big corporations, "Let them eat cake" domestic policies, political campaigns that look like wars, rampant hypocrisy and corruption).

I believe they wanted to get the ship erect again, not tilting to the Left. I think the evidence is that they voted for Moderate government.

HOWEVER, many old-time Liberal positions have now become part of America's mainstream expectations (Social Security, affordable healthcare, decent pay, decent jobs, diplomacy before war, elected officials who have the public's best interests at heart, less catering to big corporations, etc.). So I think we're free to pursue those programs without seeming too Liberal to the electorate.

Your opinions? Shoot, if you must, this old grey head....

[inthebrain]

18. This is where things get sticky

Decent paying jobs, and less catering to corporations are liberal positions. They are not far left position although they do come from elements of the far left. In todays America, I am the far left so I know a little bout that.


Those are liberal positions. Republicans have staked their claim on those issues on the far right plank. What does line up in the middle (And I hate the description "middle" or "moderate". In politics those terms do not exist.) are liberal positions.

These are conservative positions;

Child Labor

Slavery

Cheap Labor

Women back in the kitchen.

Anti Civil rights

Pro Guns

Tax breaks for rich people.

Nationalism

You get the picture. The word Liberal may scare people but that's the fault of liberals. We do a fucking god awful of explaining what it is that Republcans are so scared of. That's quite simple, it's neighbor helping neighbor.

THese are our priorities to get done in the next two years;

1)Get us out of Iraq

2)Raise the minimum wage to ten dollars and hour.

3)Get the IRS off the backs of working people who can't pay taxes due to hardships (Getting the IRS off their backs rather than offering tax cuts will nullify the Republicans position. AMerican don't mind paying taxes. It's being mandated to pay them when they really can't afford to.)

4)Offer loans and incentives so folks can put solar panels on their houses.

They do that and the Repulicans will never threaten in the next election. They will landslide all of them. Having a Democrat in your district will be like having a plasma screen TV in your house. The neighbors will say, "Why don't we have one of those in our house."

THose issues will work and they are VERY liberal!!!

[benEzra]

21. Gun ownership is ****NOT**** a conservative position!!!!

These are conservative positions;

Child Labor

Slavery

Cheap Labor

Women back in the kitchen.

Anti Civil rights

Pro Guns

Tax breaks for rich people.

Nationalism

Gun ownership is ****NOT**** a conservative position!!!! That's what Karl Rove would have liked people to think...keep the "Dems'll take yer guns" meme going. This stereotype really burns me, if you can't tell.

At least one in four Dems personally owns a gun, and (contrary to Bradyite/MSM spin) most gun owners are NOT hunters. Fully half of all gun owners are NOT repubs.

Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What?

The fact that the party leadership FINALLY stopped pushing the ban-more-guns agenda is IMHO a big reason why swing voters were more comfortable voting Dem this year than in '04. The gun issue is finally off the table, and it needs to stay that way.

[MGD]

19. Corruption was the big issue at the exit polls. Iraq was there 2 but it was not the only issue

affecting the outcome of this election.

[blm]

20. RNC must have shared their talking points with Bill Clinton - he said win was no shift to the left

and Rahm Emanuel is saying the left can't dominate the debate even in our own party.

Fock that, assholes.

CORRUPTION was the major issue, and you assholes want to make nice with the right and pretend the country wants center-right government. Setting the Dem party up for another coverup of BushInc.

Typical Clinton. Promised Poppy, did ya?

[leesa]

22. Sure it was. But the GOP and their pals in the DLC are busy bad-mouthing

liberals, as usual, 24/7 on the teevee. They moved over to our positions when they realized they HAD too and now they are pretending they were their own.