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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:18 PM
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Deja Vu? Probability of VA and MT Senate Exit Poll Discrepancies : TIA
Deja Vu? Probability of VA and MT Senate Exit Poll Discrepancies


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Edited by TruthIsAll on Thu Nov-09-06 12:16 AM

Which senate races deviated the most from the pre-election and 7pm exit poll
to the recorded vote? Virginia and Montana, the elections which were
"too close to call" for hours after the polls closed.

Here are the probabilities:
Dev: Discrepancy between Democratic 7pm Exit poll
vote share and the recorded vote share.
Prob: Probability of discrepancy

.. Dev Prob
MT 4% 1.61e-04 or 1 in 6,196
VA 3% 3.37e-03 or 1 in 297

As usual, the Final Exit Poll was MATCHED to the RECORDED vote.

Please don't ask WHY.
It's par for the course.
Edison-Mitofsky always assume ZERO fraud.
Remember 2004? It's deja vu all over again.

Only this time, everyone was watching.

So which exit poll do you believe, the 7pm or the Final?

Pre-elect 2-ptyProj 7pmExit FinalExit FinalVote
Avg 46.4 45.6 52.5 47.5 53.0 45.9 52.5 46.4 52.3 46.5
Dem GOP Dem GOP Dem GOP Dem GOP Dem GOP
MT 48.0 47.0 51.0 49.0 53 46 50.0 47.5 49 48
MO* 47.8 46.2 51.4 48.6 50 48 48.8 47.7 50 47
OH 51.0 43.3 54.4 45.6 57 43 56.0 44.0 56 44
PA 52.3 40.8 56.4 43.6 57 42 59.0 41.0 59 41

RI 48.3 40.5 55.0 45.0 53 46 53.8 46.2 53 47
TN 43.0 51.5 46.3 53.7 48 51 48.1 50.9 48 51
VA* 46.4 45.8 51.1 48.9 53 46 50.1 49.9 50 49
NJ 48.0 42.0 54.0 46.0 53 45 54.2 43.9 53 45

Dev1: Discrepancy from the 7pm Exit Poll to the vote.
Dev2: Discrepancy from the Final Exit Poll to the vote.
Dev3: Dev2-Dev1
Prob: Probability of discrepancy between Democratic 7pm Exit poll
vote share and the recorded vote.



Dev1 Dev2 Dev3 MoE >MoE Prob 1 in
MT* 6.0 1.5 -4.5 2.18% yes 1.61E-04 6,196
MO -1.0 -1.9 -0.9 1.92% 5.00E-01 2
OH 2.0 0.0 -2.0 2.04% 1.68E-01 6
PA -3.0 0.0 3.0 1.97% 9.77E-01 1

RI 1.0 1.6 0.6 2.86% 5.00E-01 2
TN 0.0 0.2 0.2 1.95% 5.00E-01 2
VA* 6.0 -0.8 -6.8 2.17% yes 3.37E-03 297
NJ 0.0 2.3 2.3 2.18% 5.00E-01 2



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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:20 PM
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1. Not bloody likely. We control the state machinery in VA.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:51 PM
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4. You control the machinery of your desktop computer too...
anyone ever slipped a virus past you?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:57 PM
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5. but not the county level polls in every county
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:25 PM
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8. If they're so massively in control, how come they couldn't overturn
just 7,000 votes.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:54 AM
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9. maybe because they knew they were being watched closely?
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 07:55 AM by spooky3
And how do know they weren't successful in interfering in some counties--just not enough?
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 02:13 PM
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10. Maybe they tried, but didn't set up the controls enough. The turnout overwhelmed
their fixed machines.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:20 PM
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2. I qwill try to clean up the tables.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:02 PM
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6. you qwill?
qwell, you get to qwork on that!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:26 PM
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7. Knock it off. I am tired,
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:26 PM
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3. K & R nm
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