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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:27 AM
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Helen Thomas: The Voters Want Out Of Iraq
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Helen Thomas: The Voters Want Out Of Iraq
By Helen Thomas
Thursday, 09 November 2006



WASHINGTON -- The voters have sent a clear message to President Bush: It's time to pull out of Iraq.

But the president still refuses to listen.

In a bruising post-election news conference Wednesday, an emotional Bush extended an olive branch to the victorious Democrats to "work together" on some of the differences between them but he remained adamant that U.S. troops will not come home from Iraq until "the job is done."

He told reporters, "We cannot not accept defeat in Iraq."

But he did announce the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld -- one of the neo-conservative architects of the war -- and declared that a "fresh start" was needed. Former CIA director Robert Gates has been named as Rumsfeld's successor.

Bush was not on the ballot in Tuesday's mid-term elections which swept Democrats into control of the House and, likely, the Senate.

But the election turned into a national referendum on his preemptive catastrophic invasion of Iraq and his conservative domestic policies -- aided and abetted by a rubber-stamp Republican-led Congress.

The people have spoken and their message was one of disgust with the militant Bush-Cheney policy that set "victory" as the only exit strategy.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:29 AM
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1. K&R for the Dean of the WH Press Corps!
It pissed me off that Chimperor didn't let her ask a question yesterday...:grr:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:30 AM
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2. yo Helen. yes, a message of DISGUST.
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:40 AM
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3. We all know what "work together" means in the Bush lexicon...
..."work together" on goals set by The Decider.

Good luck, Junior. Keep your veto pen handy. You'll be needing it.

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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:53 AM
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4. Signe's message on the message
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:19 AM
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5. Irai's should view "phased witdrawal" should be viewed as a golden gift...!
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:51 AM
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6. Bush will not admit that he's wrong
He will go down fighting until the end.

Thank God we have a Democratic Congress to overrule his insanity.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:44 AM
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7. Let's Hope...
Nancy and the rest of the Demmies do not play nice...be cordial, yes, but don't play nice with these criminals...they deserve to leave office in shame, disgrace and hopefully in handcuffs...The disgraceful damage ChimpCo has done to our country and the world deserves the severest punishment God can render upon these blasphemous sinners of sinners...payback is a bitch!...so let the paybacks begin...
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jpwhite Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:33 PM
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8. there is a good way to get out of Iraq
we can blame Bush all day long and it isn't going to make the
problem any better.  We as democrats have to come up with a
strategy of how to finish the job in Iraq and get our troops
out of there.  I am currently in the military and I am in Iraq
so I feel that I can offer a fresh perspective here.

1) We need to give the Iraqi government some extra money to
pay the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police.  If you wonder why they
aren't that motivated to do their jobs it's because they only
get paid 200 bucks a month.  We need to give them some money
and more supplies so that they can help fight.

2) Don't set a time table, but instead set a goal.  A goal is
more flexible.  Remember, the bad guys are the people over
here who are blowing things up.  The insurgents don't care if
they kill innocent women and children.  This is not okay. 
This must be put to a stop.  By setting a goal you are putting
the responsibility square on the insurgent's shoulders.  If
they really want us to leave then they will stop blowing
things up.  example: The goal of the US is to be out of Iraq
by the end of 2007 as long as the bombings stop.  Remember,
the insurgents are the enemy not the Republicans.

3) Once we get out of Iraq we fully commit to putting more
troops in Afghanistan and we don't stop until we find Osama. 
We also need to put a stop to the Taliban, who are forcing
farmers to grow poppy so that they can make heroin.  The
Taliban is selling heroin to fund their operations.  This must
be stopped.  

We as the Democrats need to stop with the name calling and set
an agenda.  Leaders don't sit back and criticize.  True
leaders step up and make tough choices.  The thing we must
focus on is fixing the problem at hand and showing the
American people that we are tough on terror.  We as Democrats
can be tough on terror and we can lead better than the
Republicans.

James
jpwhite@okstatealumni.org
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:41 PM
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9. Good luck and keep alert.
We need our troops home in one piece.
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:53 PM
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15. Thanks for your views, James
1) We need to give the Iraqi government some extra money to pay the Iraqi Army and Iraqi Police. If you wonder why they aren't that motivated to do their jobs it's because they only get paid 200 bucks a month. We need to give them some money and more supplies so that they can help fight.

I tend to agree and I also hope the U.S. will pay some serious reparations to Iraq. Those people deserve to have electricity and running water. They deserve to have their homes, schools and hospitals rebuilt. They deserve decent roads and they deserve to be able to walk their own streets without fear. We broke all that, and now we have to pay to fix it.

2) Don't set a time table, but instead set a goal. A goal is more flexible. Remember, the bad guys are the people over here who are blowing things up. The insurgents don't care if they kill innocent women and children. This is not okay. This must be put to a stop. By setting a goal you are putting the responsibility square on the insurgent's shoulders. If they really want us to leave then they will stop blowing things up. example: The goal of the US is to be out of Iraq by the end of 2007 as long as the bombings stop. Remember, the insurgents are the enemy not the Republicans.

I wonder. If another nation's military invaded the U.S., wouldn't we all be "insurgents?" Wouldn't we all support anyone that was trying to get the invaders out? I'm sure that there are other agendas playing out between and among the various groups in Iraq, but the one thing that unites them is the goal of getting the U.S. out of their nation. We back home realize that the invasion was just plain wrong, and when we know we were wrong I don't know that we need to try making deals. We just need to admit we were wrong and get out.

3) Once we get out of Iraq we fully commit to putting more troops in Afghanistan and we don't stop until we find Osama. We also need to put a stop to the Taliban, who are forcing farmers to grow poppy so that they can make heroin. The Taliban is selling heroin to fund their operations. This must be stopped.

Are the farmers being forced to grow poppy or is that the only thing they have left to do in order to put food in their mouths? I'm all for finding Osama and putting him away but who stands in line behind him waiting to take over? And who stands behind that guy?

I agree that we can be tough on terror, but I think we need to be smart about terror.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:03 PM
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10. I think it's clear that voters think the WH and GOP aren't the best ones
to come up with a solution to Iraq, whatever it is; voters want someone else on the job. The solution is not that obvious, but now we have adults thinking about it.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:10 PM
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11. Look at It This Way: If Bush Doesn't Get Out Of Iraq, We Take the White House 2008
and probably get 67 Senators. Guaranteed!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:23 PM
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12. This is personal with blivet. He's sees it as a defeat of him and
everything HE stands for if we leave Iraq. He doesn't care who else dies (as long as it isn't him or his) and he doesn't care what it costs (he's not paying for it and neither are his rich buddies).
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:51 PM
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13. my conservative coworker said it best before he voted straight Dem
I'm a terrorist-appeaser, a defeatist because I have questions about the war? F*** THAT.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:56 PM
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14. Stay on 'em Helen, we need you more than ever
And make another film with Colbert!
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:40 PM
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16. eh' that olive branch he offered....most likely was poison ivy in disguise
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 04:41 PM by windbreeze
don't forget what we've been through, and don't forget how he/they have treated us...let it guide the way we do do business together...with our eyes wide open and always alert to what he's up too behind our backs...
windbreeze
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:43 PM
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17. Alex Cockburn: the voters want it more than the Democrats.
Excerpt:

"Wherever they were given the opportunity, voters across the country went strongly for antiwar candidates. True, the national Democrats, led by Rahm Emanuel of the Democratic Congressional Campaign, had tried pretty successfully to keep such peaceniks off the ballot, but in a few key races the antiwar progressives romped home. The Democrats won, despite Emanuel. If the Clintonites weren't still controlling most of the campaign money, and more openly antiwar populists had been running, the Democrats today would probably be looking at a wider majority in the House and one committed solidly to getting out of Iraq.

Take the sixth district in Illinois, in the Chicago suburbs. This was where the national Democrats threw money at Tammy Duckworth, the prowar double-amputee running in the primary against antiwar Christine Cegalis, who almost took down Republican Henry Hyde in 2004. Flush with Emanuel's campaign cash, Duckworth narrowly beat Cegalis. But yesterday Duckworth's clouded message on the war failed to rouse the voters and she went down to defeat.

In northern California, another of Emanuel's Democrats was Charlie Brown, an Iraq vet. The race looked like a landslide for the Republican but in the last weeks it began to tighten up. Then in a debate, Doolittle, the Republican, tried to bait Brown with supposed ties to Cindy Sheehan. Instead of standing his ground and denouncing the war, Brown quavered that he had no ties to Sheehan and Mrs Brown later told Sheehan to stay away. Confronted with this craven performance voters gave up on Brown and the awful Doolittle cantered home.

In the nearby district around Modesto it was a different story. Here was a ripe target, an implacable foe of nature called Richard Pombo, who had spent his entire career campaigning against the Endangered Species Act, and any enjoyment of nature other than the enrichment of cotton and rice farmers. In the primary season Rahm Emanuel and George Miller put the party's resources behind a Pombo lookalike who was duly trounced by Jerry McNerney, an antiwar foe of corporate agriculture. National Democrats chafed at McNerney's effrontery and predicted victory for Pombo.

But on Tuesday the voters leaped at their opportunity. They booted out Pombo and sent McNerney to Washington. In the upset's aftermath, the Contra Costa Times marveled, "It will go down in California history as a massive upset in a congressional district where the incumbent held a 6 percentage point party registration advantage. No other district in the state has ever flipped parties with such a large registration gap."

In northern Kentucky another progressive Democrat opposed by the Emanuel Machine, John Yarmuth, an alternative newspaper publisher, was nonetheless able to survive the primary. On Tuesday he defeated Anne Northrup, a popular Republican incumbent.

So the Democrats have taken the House, but Emanuel should not be crowing too loudly. The Democrats' victories were clearly driven by antiwar sentiment across the country. Furthermore the contour of success in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana, send a very clear message that if the Democrats keep on pushing the old Clinton neoliberal recipe as now purveyed by Emanuel and the others, they will not recapture the White House in 2008, or even bolster their position in the Senate."

The rest here:

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11082006.html
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:57 PM
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18. there is no reason to wait any longer...
pull out now. the very idea that this war was somehow necessary is bullshit. Little bushit LIED us into the war, dragging all of us over a cliff that no one seems able to climb back up. Pull out now. There can only be further death of good american soldiers over a political pile of shit. It is argued that the conditions on the ground in Iraq will somehow get worse if we pull out. How, just exactly how can it get worse? Full out war? 300 dead instead of 200 a day? This country should never have been in Iraq militarily and now should get out of there asap. Another dead soldier is too high a price for the lies and ugliness that is the bush cabal.
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livingonearth Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:50 PM
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19. Bush destabilized the Middle East
Since Bush and his gang didn't think things through in the beginning, places like Saudi Arabia, Israel and Kuwait will not be safe if we pull out before Iraq is stable. Places like Iran will be stronger. The Bush administration has basically hurt our allies
in that part of the world. The Democrats have one hell of a big job to clean up this mess. At least now we have a chance.
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