Do Dems need a STRONG-MAN to FIX the PARTY? Could Dodd or Vilsack or Obama do?

[Sensitivity]

Democratic Party needs to get some Strong-Man DNA therapy.

Bill Maher is right. We did not earn this political landslide. The Pukes imploded. Their gods and demons turned against them.

As hard as we were all working, the PARTY is still a picture of disunity, dysfunction and ideological despair. Democrats seem to need some kind of force of nature if the Party is ever going to function effectively.

In 2000, GORE was too straight-laced and proper to standby Clinton and slam idiot Bush

In 2004, KERRY was too noble and aloof to hammer the blood-libel and gutter-fight the Pukes in the slime war.

Maybe we need some sort of injection of strong-man genes into the Party Leadership.

Just look at 2006.

The behavior of the Democratic Party in the run-up to 2006 was a picture of dysfunction – no unity of leadership (they abandoned Kerry titular head, and presented a confusing cacophony of voices – Reid, Pelosi, Dean, Biden, Clinton), conflicting strategies for Party building (50 state vs strategic targeting), divergent plans on Iraq (break-up Iraq vs get out of Iraq).

The recent Kerry flap showed that there is absolutely no discipline or coordination in the Party.

First, Kerry, the 2004 Presidential Nom and de-facto titular head of the Party, was out there giving speeches with no vetting or real quality professional support. Why the F* was Kerry running himself ragged funding and supporting candidates by himself – surely both Kerry and the Party knew that the Puke bash-Kerry machine was tuned and just waiting for a slip.

Second, after Kerry’s slip-up, why was there was no coordination in explaining the “botched joke.”

Third, after Kerry sought to fight off the smear, how on earth could you NOT have a phalanx of Dems fighting with him and watching his back? My God, it was unbelievable, like Ceasar on the Ides of March.

The massive dysfunction is obvious to all. This can’t go on.

Now that the citizenry have given us both House and the Senate we will need enormous PARTY DISCIPLINE to do the hard things desperately needed to restore democracy:
-- Fix the voting machines – publicly managed, audited system
-- Declare election day a holiday
-- Enact real campaign finance reform
-- End the WAR

Etc.

Alright now Mr. Dodd, Mr. Vilsack, Mr. Obama. Who is going to take the gene therapy?

[aquart]

1. Thank you for your concern.

You know where you can put this.

[Sensitivity]

8. Guess you have not been working with the Party long enough -- Or you would be concerned

[MH1]

33. ??? I thought it was quite well-said.

As the o.p. noted, the "Kerry flap" a week before the election showed just how effed up this party is, and demonstrated plainly that many so-called "leaders" of the party prefer to undermine another Dem rather than work together to fight the republican slime machine.

[Demeter]

2. I Think Strong Woman (Nancy Pelosi)

She will do just fine with Dr. Dean behind her.

[Sensitivity]

9. I could buy that -- We'll see.

[Sensitivity]

14. If she can axe Bush and Cheney, I could support her as PRESIDENT Pelosi

[Missy M]

3. Geez, give them a chance....

you seem to forget they pulled it off and won control.

[Zensea]

4. Dysfunction obvious to all?

Not to me.

You might have more cred if you didn't make sweeping unsupported statements.

[Sensitivity]

29. Ok, obvious to many outside observers who comment on it and the side-effects

[MH1]

35. It was obvious to me. I thought the o.p. was well-stated. nt

[grizmaster]

5. It was Dean's 50 state program that won the day

the repug implosion helped, but it's Dr Dean's medicine that broadened the big tent to include as many dems as possible that should be given the largest credit.

[Sensitivity]

6. It is great to have Dean's brains in that role. But maybe 40 states? No?

[grizmaster]

15. I was under the impression that we had 50 states covered

I thought Dean got people to take on unchallenged seats in all 50 states, no?

Or did he fall short? Either way I just read a reference to it today pointing that the repubs left something like twenty-some-odd seats more unchallenged than the dems.

[Sensitivity]

16. Sure Dean tried. Just that Carville noted not much luck in the South

[grizmaster]

18. The point was to fight for every seat

no one expected to win every round, especially in the south

[Sensitivity]

27. Carville's point was that we fought hard for Southern seats and lost all

[blm]

7. Dem leaders sat on their hands from 2001-2005 because they TOOK A PASS on those elections

and made that decision on Sept.11, 2001.


Plus, establishment Dems want Kerry in the oval office as much as BushInc does. BushInc didn't carry off IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning on their own, y'know. It took SOME complicit Dems to keep the coverup going.

[Sensitivity]

30. Unfortunately, that is the way it works. The PARTY has not had the

consistency or the backbone to really change the corrupt system

[Peace Patriot]

10. Christopher Dodd helped Tom Delay and Bob Ney engineer the so-called

"Help America Vote Act" (HAVA '02), the worst piece of crap legislation ever passed by a U.S. Congress (with the possible exception of the recent Torture Bill). HAVA is the means by which Bushite electronic voting corporations gained control over our election system, in only two years' time--fast-tracked by $3.9 billion in federal funding--and are now, as of 2004, using TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code to "count" virtually all of the votes in our nation. This is the reason that, EVEN WITH a 30-some vote Dem majority in the House, the new Congress still does not come even close to representing the SEVENTY PERCENT of the American people who oppose the war on Iraq and other Bush policies.

And you want this "strongman," Christopher Dodd, to BENEFIT from his fithy association with the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress?!

The Bilderberg Group may well be able to install its Corporate Dictator, now that they have DIRECT non-transparent, corporate-controlled elections in the U.S. But don't try to shove their puppet off on us as a "savior."

I heard Dodd's announcement of his exploratory presidential campaign on the Al Franken Show about a month ago (with a substitute host). What he said was this: Hillary is "in trouble with the antiwar crowd, and we don't want "losers" like Gore and Kerry to be our candidate--and that leaves HIM.

How's that for "watching Kerry's back"?

And how about Dodd's role as chief adviser to John Kerry on the new electronic voting systems in 2004? ('All's well with Bushite corporations* counting all the votes with secret programming, John. Nothing to worry about there.')

Take this Dodd/Villack propaganda and peddle it elsewhere, Sensitivity. Not on a leftist forum, where we know something about Mr. Dodd and his diligent efforts to destroy our democracy.


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*(Here's a rundown on WHO Christopher Dodd helped to gain control of our election system, with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code:

DIEBOLD: Until recently, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser (a Bush "Pioneer," right up there with Ken Lay), who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush-Cheney in 2004"; and

ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things). Diebold and ES&S have an incestuous relationship; they are run by two brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich.

These are the people who "counted" 80% of the nation's votes in 2004, under a veil of corporate secrecy--thanks, in no small part, to Christopher Dodd.)

[Sensitivity]

12. Hey, isn't Dodd liberal? Are you bashing him because of voting machines? - FIX IT!

We are now in charge. Let's see what gets fixed in next year.

[Peace Patriot]

25. We wouldn't have to fix it if Christopher Dodd hadn't broken it.

That traitorous S.O.B.

[Sensitivity]

28. And who going to discipline him? Isn't is a free-for-all: look like

[IA_Seth]

11. It's Vilsack BTW...n/t

[Sensitivity]

13. Sorry, global edit typo. I know the Gov. Centrist wonk. Pretty strong guy.

[bemildred]

17. We need a strong party.

We don't need to be bossed around like sheep. Let's see what Ms Pelosi, Mr Dean, and Mr Reid come up with. They all know who put them there.

[xxqqqzme]

19. Dodd, Vilsack - strong?

not the first word that springs to mind when I hear their names - dlc enablers is more in line.

Howard Dean is doing just fine thank you very much. What the hell does Maher know about it? He admits he's a libertarian.

The Democrats do not need to be lock-step. THAT'S what rethugs do - take orders, repeat talking points and worship chucklenuts.

[Sensitivity]

20. Without unity of leadership and principle a POLITICAL PARTY accomplishes nothing

[MH1]

34. Exactly

except there is a difference between being in "lock-step" and circling the wagons to protect the Party. I don't expect the former. I do expect the latter, when it is needed. The Dem leaders failed miserably in that regard. And actually, Howard Dean was on the right side of that, afaik, but he didn't manage to pull Hillary into the circle with him. That is something to be concerned about, imo.

[Robbien]

21. are you nuts?

you ask

why was there was no coordination in explaining the “botched joke.

Well, Misters Dodd, Vilsack and Obama along with Lieberman did coordinate the attack, only their coordination was AGAINST Kerry.

and you put these guys up for party leaders.

No thanks.

[Sensitivity]

22. You make my point. The dysfuction is undeniable.

[blondeatlast]

23. The American electorate didn't give a damn about the joke, but it's interesting that you

are still obsessing over it...

Why?

[bluedawg12]

24. Perception is everything-

The party is getting fixed nicely as seen by the win of the House and Senate.

I think the brains of Rahm Emanuel, the scrapiness of Dean, the smarts of Schumer, and a host of fresh, young, new faces really has energized this election and the American people- including those who sit on the sideline and just watch, some moderate conservatives, and our base.

Don't for a minute think that Rahm Chuck and Howard somehow fit the notion of bleeding heart wimps these are kick ass guys and we already know Hill (C.) is tough and resilient.

We need a man or woman for 2008 for the Top Spot--> 1600.

Whoever it is must be media savvy, attractive, articulate, smart, solid on the issues, positive about the future and a true uniter unlike the divisive corrosive ChimpCo.

BTW- I see McCain as a relic of Nam era divisions, tired, with too much baggage he should just retire gracefully. I hope they run him, I think he will be stale and with his flipflopping on torture and Fallwellfromhell he will be a juicy target and likely self destruct.

[Sensitivity]

26. The endless jokes about "disorganized Party" have some basis

[yellowcanine]

31. Strong MAN??? What about Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton?

[Sensitivity]

32. Merger of Hillary and Bill may be closest thing we have -- a little scary

but I think that Hillary brings the Strong in Strong=man DNA

[1932]

36. In 1932, a man in wheelchair whom everyone thought was a lightweight

fixed the party and the country.

He was not a strong man. The strong man would have been Al Smith, the Democrat who invented the concept "trickle down" when he said helping poor people wasn't the way to solve the Depression and that helping the rich make wealth flow down to the people. The stong many was the person so many LIBERALS imagined when the suggested that the next president take dictatorial powers.

FDR was the caring president. He decided that more democracy was the solution and that helping the powerless would solve the depression.