Clark and Bayh are the only ones who could win the Electoral College

[BluegrassDem]

Forget Feingold, forget Gore, forget Edwards, forget Hillary. Obama's not running. When you sit down and look at the map with hard numbers, those are the only candidates that could pull a red state or two. Folks on here need to realize that we need candidates that appeal to people outside of New York and California if we want to WIN. We don't need a Republican-lite, but we need someone who won't scare the shit out of people in the flyover states, like a Bill Clinton.

Clark could carry Arkansas and may help in other upper south states. Bayh would carry Indiana and would pull Kentucky and Ohio along with him. Both Clark and Bayh could appeal to western states like Colorado as well.

I like Clark and Bayh, but they will both put a corpse to sleep. They would both need to pick a VP whose charismatic and energetic like Barack Obama.

I love Gore, but he can't even win in Tennessee. I don't wanna go down that road again.

[aquart]

1. Sez you.

Clark can't get arrested and I wouldn't have Bayh in my house, let alone the White House.

[BluegrassDem]

5. Sez me is right...

I'll wait for someone to give me a reason why I'm wrong and who else in our friggin' party can get us 270 EV's? Look at the map please and tell me. Progressives will be energized in '08 no doubt, but carrying the west coast and New England is not helping us win a damn thing!

[Renew Deal]

7. Gore, Fiengold, Clark, Richardson, Edwards, and Vilsack are all viable

and for different reasons.

[Comicstripper]

22. Will do:

First of all, almost ANY Democrat can win in 2008 because Ohio has gone blue. It was close in '04, it'll be ours in '08. Other states are trending that way, too, including Colorado and even Montana (though doubtful for president...)Add those to the states that Gore/ Kerry got, and we win. But we want to be SURE, so:

-Obama (who I agree probably will not run, but who very well could) energizes Southern blacks and may tip closer states.
-Edwards could win home state of North Carolina, birth state of South Carolina (doubtful), and certainly Arkansas (with Clinton help), as well as organizing Mid-Western Dems
-Richardson takes New Mexico and possibly Arizona, even potentially Florida by energizing Hispanic voters there. It's a close state.

Of course, Clark and Bayh win other states as well, you're right. And theirs' may be more certain (certainly Bayh's).

I'm not sure of any of this, and I don't want to sound stupid or overly confident. Just remember, the campaign is already well under way, and as anyone can see, the political landscape now is MUCH different than it was in '04 and '00. Bush will be in office for two more years, and he won't be getting any smarter, any more effective, or any less stubborn. I think the Dems win in '08, ALMOST regardless of who is nominated. John McCain could run against Jesus himself and probably at least draw it out to a re-count. Anyone else loses. And McCain is hardly a shoo-in; neo-cons dont trust him, and more moderate voters may very well see him as close to Bush come next election. He may be screwed from both sides.

Just my opinion, sorry to ramble.

[Doctor Panacea]

2. Yeah, sez you

When you mention Bayh, I want to puke.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Clark DOES not put folks to sleep....

The "meme" assigned to him by the corporate media after all else had failed and he refused to "fade away" was "Not ready for Primetime".

Well, he's ready now! :patriot:

Watch this interview from back in 2003 where he does a smackdown on the Foxasshole As(s)man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awXaGp-KLNI

And watch this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8aOiMmekGk

[BluegrassDem]

8. Clark is not a super speaker

He appears kinda feeble. I know I'm not the only one who thinks this. My mother thinks the same thing. He doesn't have a very strong and stout appearance. Being a general is really the only thing that saves him. He has a fantastic resume and could be the kinda guy we need in war time. That's why he'll be a good nominee. He knows a thing or two about fighting wars. However, that doesn't negate the fact that he's no Barack Obama on the campaign trail.

[FrenchieCat]

15. I disagree with you AND your mother.....

[Hippo_Tron]

17. You're forgetting another huge positive about Clark, everybody in the party LOVES him

While Bayh will be campaigning to the right of Hillary and Feingold to the left of her, Clark is the ONLY candidate that both liberals and moderates can get excited about. His endorsements last time ranged from Micahel Moore and George McGovern to Congressman Gene Taylor of Mississippi.

[FrenchieCat]

18. Don't forget Madonna, McGovern and Max Baucus!

That's a pretty wide spread!

[Hippo_Tron]

20. Yea I'm just using Taylor and Michael Moore to define the spectrum

But yea Madonna is pretty key.

[rocktivity]

4. CLARK/OBAMA '08!!!!

I think that's the most bulletproof ticket we've got, and they wouldn't be dependent on MSM support. And after four to eight years of looking over a president's shoulder, Obama would be too seasoned to have his race held against him if he wanted to run.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Hieronymus]

11. I like Clark a lot and a combination of Clark and Obama

just might win.:think:

[Renew Deal]

6. Bullshit

Clark is a good candidate, though I worry about this politicking skills. I'm sure he's better politically and with the issues than in 2004. Bayh isn't going anywhere. He won't win a single primary outside of Indiana. Feingold is the dark horse. Hillary is the favorite. Edwards is the smart kid that's going to be unlucky.

[BluegrassDem]

10. I forgot about Bill Richardson!

Oops...New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado would be HUGE with him on the ticket. But I heard he's a bimbo eruption waiting to happen. Can't be having that shit in 2008.

[BlueManDude]

9. Anyone but Hillary.

[xxqqqzme]

12. bayh, hillary & vilsack are dlc cheerleaders.

free trade, America first, dlc cheerleaders ARE rethug lite.

Please no more dlc presidential candidates.

[wyldwolf]

29. ..which certainly works in their favor

[Placebo]

13. Who says Obama isn't running?

He seems to have given every indiction he will.

[shireen]

14. you've never heard Clark speak ...

he's incredible. Really really good.

[Captain Hilts]

16. Clark-Richardson.

Hillary wants to be majority leader.

[returnable]

19. Come on. I'm a Clarkie, but even I don't speak in absolutes (any more)

There are plenty of potential contenders who could win a general election. And for the record, I doubt Bayh is one of them :hi:

[LiberalFighter]

21. You can't have a VP that outshines a President

Whoever became VP with Bayh would have to work real hard not to outshine him.

[Placebo]

26. Which is why Obama would never be picked as VP.

He outshines everyone except the Clintons or Gore.

[JCMach1]

23. Please... each election is different

There has been massive change since 2000.

Gore has been vindicated in almost every position he took.

[Arkana]

24. What are you talking about? Al Gore's definitely a viable candidate--

Especially after all the work he did for Katrina relief. His charisma, too, has taken a dramatic turn for the better.

[Oleladylib]

32. Nope, I think we have to move beyond Gore AND Kerry. n/t

[featherman]

25. No Senators... they do not win

[wyldwolf]

30. Bayh served two terms as Governor of Indiana

[JNelson6563]

27. Wow. Just wow.

I don't recall when I last saw a post that revealed such cluelessness.

[wyldwolf]

28. I'd be curious to know what you find clueless about it.

I would certainly open the field up to include a couple more with the best potential, but surely not netroot favorites like Feingold and now, sadly, Gore. Howard Dean? Snowball's chance in hell.

So what do you find clueless about the post? Strong evidence suggests Bayh would carry Indiana based on the Democrats doing so well there on Tuesday. Evidence also suggests he wouldn't lose any states won by Kerry in 2004.

As always, national security is of vital importance in the electorate's minds and Wes Clark certainly feels those shoes - and he's southern to boot. He won the Dem primary in OK, and came in second in four others. It is certainly conceivable he'd win a southern state or two while, again, carrying all states Kerry won.

[Oleladylib]

31. Clark and Obama..would like to see Hillary in cabinet, also Nancy. n/t

[riona]

33. Clark/Napolitano

:patriot: