Bury the hatchet? Are you shittin me?

[mtnsnake]

Over lunch yesterday, Pelosi and Bush agreed to bury the hatchet and cooperate, according to the the ticker on CNN this morning.

Cooperate all you want, Nancy...but bury the hatchet??? How soon you forget.

[Counciltucky]

1. Give it time.

Like all of us, she's still riding the high of victory. When she (and we all) come back down to Earth, things will be different.

Hopefully by "cooperate" they mean that Bush will have to cooperate with US.

[mtnsnake]

7. She's the one who should've given it time before agreeing to bury the hatchet

Cooperating is fine and dandy, but the first few days of this get-together smell just like there's a lot of sweetheart deals going on. The only thing I wanna hear her saying is that her first bit of business is to stump for getting our asses out of Iraq. Wasn't that what she was bashing him to death for in the last few years?

[Cerridwen]

2. Yeah, but did she say where she was going to bury it?

Hmmm?

:evilgrin:

[burythehatchet]

17. like I say

It doesn't matter where you bury the hatchet as long as you bury it deep.

[Ferret Annica]

60. heehee, you are such a bad boy or girl...

....bless you, I was thinking exactly the same thing when I saw the thread title.

[Cerridwen]

63. Don't you love that great minds think alike.

It makes communication so much easier. :o

Geez, now I've got that old chant about Lizzie Borden running through my head..."Lizzie Borden took an axe..."

Here's to great minds...



:toast:

[niceypoo]

3. Bush would have her tortured and murdered in a heartbeat if he could get away with it

Why is she playing nicey nice with this murderous traitor?

[mtnsnake]

14. The only possible answer to your question is that she is simply a pushover

I can't think of any other reason why she'd be so overly accomodating to Bush, when Bush is the one who's backed into a corner. She's being way too nice and it really makes me wonder. I don't understand how anyone in the base can be happy about her body language yet.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

57. good cop, bad cop...

same agenda

[MADem]

4. She'll know where it's buried, though, in case she needs it again.

Underestimate that woman at your peril. She's sharp. Like that hatchet....

[Ian David]

5. Lull them into a false sense of security until 2008?

And then, once we hold all three branches of the government, we can start forcing Southerners to gay marry anyone we tell them to.

[terrya]

6. What did you think she would do in that meeting?

Start screaming at him? Threaten him?

None of us like it, but he's still President of the United States. It's simply facing current reality.

[hwmnbn]

10. The president is....

our EMPLOYEE.

He must be held accountable for his actions just as YOU are in your workplace.

There is no magic aura around him unless we put it there.

[maseman]

34. What is she supposed to do

Come into the lunch meeting and sucker punch him? Tie him to a chair? Call him a douchebag?

I am a little dismayed by the behavior of many Duers after a tough election. The harder we push for impeachment now the more likely it will be read by the masses that we are a party with one agenda.

Set the agenda for the next two years first and let the fact building to impeach grow. When the American public wake up even more and demand the Dems to impeach him they will have it in the bag.

We need to think logically, not emotionally.

[mtnsnake]

41. She's not supposed to throw in the towel on impeachment or anything else

by making sweetheart deals before she's even taken power.

[maseman]

53. You have no idea what she has or has not done

She said impeachment is off the table. What would stop her from putting it back on the table?

People in this country didn't elect the Dems to impeach the President. They elected Dems to make our foreign policy and domestic policy better.

Again, I would LOVE to see that pResident kicked to the curb and be rid of him forever. But that kind of thinking will lose the elections in 2008 and will not help the people in this country who cannot afford drugs, healthcare, college, VA benefits, gasoline, heating gas/oil, etc.

Let's do some solid legislation and make this a populist, progressive two years. Not two years filled with in-fighting.

[mtnsnake]

56. No I don't, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

:evilgrin:

[maseman]

59. Good one!

[mtnsnake]

11. No wonder Democrats are called wimps all the time. Just like she doesn't

have to threaten him or scream at him, she doesn't have to take impeachment off the table and agree to bury the hatchet all in a matter of hours.

Bygones will be bygones. Same old, same old.

Pelosi needs to rub some spine with Murtha and hope it rubs off.

[badgerpup]

49. Exactly...what are you going to do?

It's expected to make the nicey-nice gesture after an election...especially such a hotly contested one such as this one has been. To show that we're all gentlemen (in the courtesy, not the gender sense) here and there's no hard feelings here...no, REALLY!
:sarcasm:

Don't worry...'sweetness and light' probably WON'T be on the agenda except as window dressing.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

58. He is a criminal.. should be treated as one in public at all times

[acmavm]

8. I suppose she could have punched him in the nose, but then

that wouldn't have looked very good, would it? Regardless of all the slanders and slurs he's slung in her direction lately.

In fact, her just sitting there in the Oval Office and making both bush** & Chainsaw realize who they have to deal with come January must have felt very very very satisfying.

[AllieB]

9. I think she's being sly

don't think she won't use it if she needs to.

[mtnsnake]

13. No. Being sly wouldn't be closing the door on anything. Her word is her word

and if she goes against it, she's setting herself up to get dumped on royally the first time she goes back on her word of burying the hatchet.

Too much lovey dovey and not enough tough rhetoric. Bush isn't just some school yard bully we're talking about. He's a world class criminal and murderer.

:hi:

[AllieB]

43. I think if they investigations uncover evidence, the door is open again

She would have to 'go back on her word', as you say, if the House Judiciary Committee uncovers evidence of high crimes. So I think she is smart to play her hand close to her vest. I don't think it's a black and white situation.

[mtnsnake]

52. Good post

and I hope you're right. Thank you. That does make me feel a little better about it.

[TechBear_Seattle]

12. I would be glad to offer suggestion on WHERE to bury it.

:evilgrin:

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. No doubt, they did!

Of course, there were no promises about their supporters and surrogates. :evilgrin:

[burythehatchet]

16. what the hell did I say?????

[mtnsnake]

18. LOL!

:evilgrin:

[cleveramerican]

19. Its very good strategy

[mtnsnake]

20. Sorry, but the "rolling over & playing dead" strategy has never worked for us

and never will.

[bowens43]

22. It's not rolling over and playing dead, it's taking the high ground.

Revenge is not as important as saving our fucking country.

[mtnsnake]

23. Please tell me you're not working as campaign manager for Dems in 2008

Look where taking the high ground got us there. Defeated.

[Pragmatic Pilgrim]

47. Right on! The voters want progress, not recriminations.

Ask any voter which they'd prefer: War or peace. They voted us into office because they were sick of war, both overseas AND in government. Yeah, we could probably win some battles if we launched a full-scale attack on this vile bastard, but I'm afraid we'd lose the war for the hearts & minds of the people. Iraq all over again!

I hope to hell we're smarter than that. Once we've won the public trust, maybe we can take some coolheaded action to prevent another Bush from arising in the foreseeable future.

[bowens43]

21. You want to increase the majorities and get the oval office in 08?

Cooperation is the way to do it. We here at DU do not represent the average American or the average Democrat. We are as far to the left as the freepers are to the right. The average American is sick and tired of the bickering. The fact that republicans would not compromise played a role in our win. If we want to maintain control and capture the presidency we have to have accomplishments. We have to show that it won't be business as usual. We have to try. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work but it's certainly something we need to attempt.

[DixieBlue]

24. C'mon, she can't go in guns blazing right away ...

that would play into the Repug's hands, wouldn't it? They've been running around saying the sky would fall if the Dems won. She's gotta be conciliatory right now. Let's give Pelosi, and the rest of the Dem establishment, some time. I don't think anyone's forgotten ... they're being cautious.

[mtnsnake]

25. Unless she goes back on her word, she's taken the ammo out of those guns

forever.

You just don't go saying shit like that and then re-nigging down the road. Politicians don't forget, and if she decides to get tough in the future, it'll make campaign fodder for future elections to come...for the republicans.

[renegade000]

26. well...you can always dig it up again...

:shrug:

[mtnsnake]

27. But can't you look ahead and just see the commercials alone?

Let's say sometime in 2007 that there are investigations into Bushco and his lies, and that it's determined he lied us into war, which is something we all know is fact.

Then let's say we decide to impeach him, something we can do with a one vote majority in the House.

Then that's where the shit hits the fan. Republicans can start spouting that Democrats aren't people of their word. If it's campaign season, the commercials will be airing showing Pelosi and Bush in their lovefest, shaking hands, all warm and fuzzy, agreeing to bury the hatchet (like they did yesterday), and showing Pelosi in November of 2006 stating that impeachment is off the table.

Get the picture?

[Barack_America]

28. The purpose of politics is NOT to FIGHT!!

The purpose of politics is to accomplish your agenda, which at times requires that you DO fight and at times requires that you DON'T. This is one of those times!

The people just swept out a bunch of partisan hacks, so acting like partisan hacks now would benefit the Democrats how??

[mtnsnake]

29. Speak for yourself

[Barack_America]

30. I'll speak for myself and the majority of our electorate...

If you want to speak for the fringe, that's fine.

Do you deny that the majority of Americans are sick of partisanship and are insisting that Congress place progress over party line?

[mtnsnake]

33. No problem. Staying true to yourself is not a bad thing.

[Barack_America]

37. I'm staying true to myself.

I just happen to be one of those people who believe Congress is a place where mature people go to legislate, rather than a sandbox where children fight over toys.

[Dr Fate]

32. Makes sense to me. We can save harsh words & threats for later. n/t

n/t

[mtnsnake]

35. But how can you take threats away one day & reassert them another?

Pelosi agreed to bury the hatchet. What, she's supposed to go against her own word sometime down the road when it's more convenient.

All I'm saying is that I think it's fine for her to agree to cooperate, but she shouldn't have made any sweetheart deal to bury the hatchet. She's a politician for crise sakes, and she should know better than to close the door on anything.

[Dr Fate]

39. The public will forgive her for that when Bush forces her hand. They cant stand him.

Dont worry too much- I'm sure Rove will be back to pushing buttons soon enough and you will have your wonderful, bloody hatchet back.

[Dr Fate]

31. It is what many of the people who voted DEM want to hear.

It is what a good chunk of the public wants to hear too.

Chill out- this is nothing.

[mtnsnake]

36. Not holding Bush accountable is not "nothing".

[Dr Fate]

38. It's just nicey-nice political talk. Chill out- it is nothing.

DEMS have PLENTY to hold over Bush's head if wants to get froggy again.

Bush was held accountable by the voters and they expect DEMS to change some things- I want to give Nancy a shot.

[gully]

40. I have a few places I'd like to bury that hatchet -

However, this is all for show. It's what we'll say until we take the hill in January and then it will be "we tried to work with the President."

[Vektor]

42. Well howdy!

:hi:

Did she specifically say what she meant by "bury the hatchet"? Like, did she mention any issue in particular?

Just wondering, because it might have been the "play nice" language politicians use after a grueling election, eg, "we're gonna reach across the aisle" "work together" "try to put our differences behind us" "be bipartisan", etc...

Maybe she was just talking the talk? Was there further elaboration? And I have to say, I laughed when another poster asked "Did she say WHERE she'd bury it?"

So, hows it going with you? :-)

[mtnsnake]

44. Hey there!

Nope, nothing specific, but if CNN reported that they've agreed to "bury the hatchet", one can only wonder what has gone on in private over that WH lunch that would precipitate them saying that.

Bush is the last one that any Democrat on the face of the earth should ever agree to bury the hatchet with.

Other than that, things are going okay. I should be tending to my own business more, though, and not sitting in my office posting, but at least it's the end of the week.

:hi:

[Vektor]

46. Yeah, I wonder...

...what the heck CNN was referring to. I didn't see the report, and they'll likely never tell us...

I sometimes have to take time out from "real work" for a little political ranting myself. Luckily, I have the day off today, but I really should be doing some home maintenance stuff right now...

However, the computer and a cup of coffee beckoned, and I could not resist another one of your, er, "impassioned" posts.

Last time I spoke with you, we had a Republican congress. ;-)

[Dr Fate]

45. That is all in the world this is. Some folks cant take even one day off from being angry.

Not that there is not plenty of things to be angry about- if anger is your bag- but this aint one of those things..

[Vektor]

48. I am trying to take a day off from that.

But I just feel so "flat" when I'm not filled with rage. ;-)

[mtnsnake]

50. Geez, I almost forgot...You're that guy who isn't angry at Republicans anymore

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2953897&mesg_id=2953897

Other than being angry at Bush/Republicans, I'm just about the most happy go lucky person I know....next to you, that is. :smoke:

[Dr Fate]

51. LOL!!! Yes- next to me, of course. n/t

n/t

[eppur_se_muova]

54. Depends ... in whose skull ? nt

[Generator]

55. Don't worry she's hiding it in her pantyhose!

[BootinUp]

61. Why do you accept CNN's framing?

I sincerely doubt those words came from Nancy.

[mtnsnake]

62. Do you think that it was only CNN who framed it that way? Check it out...

After I first posted this, it was mentioned all over the airwaves, not just CNN. CNN is just the first place I saw it.

All you gotta do is google this: bury the hatchet bush pelosi. You'll come up with around 217,000 news sites, etc, not just CNN, who covered it just like that. For example:

President Bush and House Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi, perhaps the biggest loser and winner on Election Day, pledged over lunch Thursday to bury the hatchet and cooperate.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2642422

or here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6204922,00.html

I'm not arguing whether or not the words "bury the hatchet" were her exact words. Of course they probably weren't, and none of the news sites claimed they were. All they claimed is that the two of them pledged to bury the hatchet. What they said exactly, who knows?