OK, we kicked the ass of Bush, the Republicans, and the Evangelicals. Now it's time for the DNC

[wcepler]

OK, we kicked the ass of Bush, the Republicans, and the Evangelicals. Now it's time for the Democratic National Committee!



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Kudos to grass roots liberals, not the Democratic National Committee. Let's face it; we got our country back (sort of) in 11/7 IN SPITE OF the DNC.



These zero change conservatives are indistinguishable from the RNC. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber.



We learned many lessons during the last few years. May I tick off a few?



(1.) We leaned what happens when our Church & State Constitutional government turns into a Church and Church sitcom theocracy. Ugh!



(2.) We learned what happens when America's corporate elites turn our country into a dictatorship of the rich oligarchy. Ugh!



(3.) We learned what happens when our unofficial 4th branch of government (i.e., the media), becomes a soul selling Judas Press. Ugh!



(4.) And we learned that ONLY grass roots liberals can power ethical, rational change in America. Hey, we just did it, so kudos to US!



Bottom line, we're the dog and the DNC is the tail -- NOT VISA VERSA! We've got to take it in that what happened on ll/7 came straight from the people.



So (alas) we can't rest on our laurels and trust in the DNC, i.e., we can't say that since we put the dems back in control, our ship of state will now sail properly. Thinking that is the kiss of death since the DNC will be captaining the ship and these greedy, incompetents will steer us straight back into iceberg city.



No, this is a "power of the people" thing, and liberal/progressives are now the power, so let's not make the fatal mistake of giving it back to Daddy & Mommy DNC.



What just happened was a literal political revolution and winning that revolution carries with it the awesome responsibility to stay in the exact center of things and keep actualizing our values and goals.



Mother Nature needs us, not the wimpy DNC. Out "disadvantaged citizens" (in the millions) need us, not the wimpy DNC. The Bush War in Iraq needs us to pour oil on those agonizingly troubled waters, not the wimpy DNC (e.g., not Joe Liebermann). Science and education will end up in the same trash heap the RNC put it if we surrender our power back to the DNC.



So this is an SOS to my much loved liberal/progressive extended family. Let's not minimize what we accomplished and let's make sure we follow through with the courage of our convictions.



We flexed our muscles the RNC whimpered. Now it's time to do the same with the DNC.



Above all, let's stay connected! It took us awhile to put this all together since we were so murderously blind sided by the neo-Nazi Bush/Republican/Evangelicals, but now that we've learned how to play this life and death social/political game, let's make sure the beat goes on!



Viva America!

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wcproteus

[wyldwolf]

1. LOL! Right.

[Burma Jones]

2. Uhhh, about a third of the Evangelicals voted with us.......

I don't think that qualifies as kicking their ass.....

Now, Fundies, that's a different matter altogether.......

[wcepler]

3. good point

You're right. That distinction has been creeping up on me and I will start using it in the future.

[Burma Jones]

6. Thanks, and welcome to DU........n/t

[bemildred]

4. You seem confused.

We don't want to punish the DNC. We want to OWN the DNC, we want it to keep getting us elected as a dominant national party.

[Cleita]

8. That's what I thought. It's the DLC we want to kick in the ass to

form their own party. It would be a good move on their part because many Republicans who can't be liberal or socialistic would be happy to join them. They could become the new conservative party and just let the GOP shrivel away with their neo-cons into history.

[wyldwolf]

11. what makes you think the DNC should be socialist?

[Cleita]

18. Because we as a country need to take care of our social programs

run by the government, like Social Security, Disability, medical care for all. Neither the Republicans nor the DLC are in favor of social programs so we have to take up the cause. We should be happy to take up the cause because this is the humane thing to do.

[wyldwolf]

20. so join the Socialist party.

[Cleita]

23. I'm a social democrat and as long as we have a two party

system I will be a Democrat.

[wyldwolf]

24. if you think there is enough of you to defeat the DNC, then logic dictates...

... there is enough of you for a viable third party.

(the last time socialists and communists tried to make a run in the Democratic party, Harry Truman kicked the shit out of you.)

[Cleita]

30. Are you really saying this. OMG! I feel like I'm back in the McCarthy era.

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

32. yes. Does historical accuracy mean anything to you?

Simply put, the Democratic party is not a socialist party, nor can if be over-run by such.

[Cleita]

33. Yes, it does and the commie/ socialist hatred after WWII

was directed to the Russian bloc countries and China who were actually very totalitarian dictatorships and not socialist at all except for the government owning and manufacturing everything. They had more in common with Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, and Bush's America than any government that is a real social democracy like the present day Scandanavian ones, which are also very capitalistic and more prosperous economies, a better educated population and programs that prevent people from falling through the cracks into destitution. Pick up the latest Scientific American Magazine and read it for yourself.

While you are at it read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=230&topic_id=1221&mesg_id=1221

Does that make you proud to be a non socialistic Democrat let alone an American?

[wyldwolf]

34. within the Democratic party, it was also directed at Henry Wallace

Someone I'm sure you would have admired.

[Cleita]

36. Don't put labels on me or try to imagine whom I would admire.

I already told you what I am, a social democrat. Calling me a socialist or a communist is truly silly and makes me wonder about your intentions in making these posts.

[wyldwolf]

37. you're the one who labeled yourself a socialist Democrat

Henry Wallace is an accurate comparison.

[Cleita]

38. No I didn't label myself that. I labeled myself a social democrat.

Although, I find true socialists and true communists to be far more pleasant company and nicer people than fascists.

[wyldwolf]

39. oh. so you're not even a big "D" Democrat? Now it's getting clear

[wcepler]

9. reply

For me that's a different way of saying the same thing. "Own" is fine. The main thing is to stop handing our power over to the DNC and it sounds like we feel the same about that.

[bemildred]

17. Copacetic.

I sort of thought we might be on the same page.
:thumbsup:

[Minimus]

5. Howard Dean

and the 50 state plan deserves credit. Like he said on TDS - Dems asked for votes in states they normally don't. People like to be asked for their vote.

[QShok]

12. Yeah and we got a bunch of DINOs.

Pelosi already said "NO" to Murtha's plan of pulling out in six months. When you court conservatives you get conservatives.

Shok

[Minimus]

16. so republicans winning would have been better?

[Dr Fate]

7. I thought that the grass-roots worked WITH and as part of the DNC. n/t

n/t

[Dr.Phool]

15. I think it was a good joint effort.

Deans 50 state strategy, along with the grassroots got the ball rolling, against the advice of the DCCC. But once it was apparent what we'd accomplished, the DCCC threw some last minute help our way to finish off even more repugs than they'd imagined.

[Ken Burch]

10. I think you mean TAKE OVER the DNC.

We can do that at the next round of state conventions. Find out how to be a delegate to yours.

(shit, I can't believe I wrote "take over the DLC" to start with.
Can we make those guys get a DIFFERENT acronym?)

[wcepler]

13. reply

"Take over" is another way to say it and I agree. The main thing is for us to be the decision makers as much as possible instead of letting some Daddy political structure "out there" take care of us.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. An Emily Latella moment

Welcome newbie! Perhaps you meant DLC?

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

19. investigation, impeachment, incarceration..

i³

settle for nothing less

[Bridget Burke]

21. Let's keep kicking Republican ass for a while.

We're just getting warmed up.

[wcepler]

22. I can dig it.

I can dig it. It's just that eventually, let's get around to the cleaning house with those professional political types who are more interested in their DNC jobs than liberal/progressive values.

[cadmium]

25. Dean saved the DNC with our help. He needs it now.

The Dean DNC went to rural counties in Alaska, ghettoes in cities, and Republican bedroom communities the the McAuliffe DNC would have ignored. Dean is in charge of the DNC largely as a result of the netroots-----It would be the height of self-defeating behavior to turn on him now.

[wcepler]

26. the pre and post Dean DNC

Yes, I should have distinguished between the pre and post Dean DNC. I stand corrected. Dean came through like gang busters, but he did it IN SPITE OF the DNC "old guard". Anyway, as so often happens on this site, I see things more clearly from responses to my submissions and Dean deserves enormous credit for vitalizing the formerly dead weight DNC.

wcproteus

[cadmium]

31. I dont think enough about the old guard. I think of Republican

pundit Laura Ingrahm's close friend Terry McAuliffe and I cringe. His gang must still have a lot of tentacles still out there the way they control the cable new reports.

[Vidar]

41. I greatly appreciate your correction, as I have enjoyed your other posts.

[elocs]

27. I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that just because we won an election

that Democrats are big and bad, can kick ass, or that American voters are ga-ga in love with the Democratic Party. Winning a singe election does not mean we are back for good because the door can swing right back and does not have far to go in the Senate. Many voters are pragmatic inasmuch as they realize that there is only a real choice between two parties, and that if they are pissed with the Republicans, the Democrats are the only alternative. So Democrats had better actually do something to merit their voting for us again, and again.

[Conker]

42. I fully agree with your post.

Especially this part:
Winning a singe election does not mean we are back for good because the door can swing right back and does not have far to go in the Senate."

[NoPasaran]

28. Would that be the same DNC of which Howard Dean is the chair?

I think they rock!

[Cleita]

29. Yep, the DINOS just can't stop trying to kick him to the curb. n/t

[eridani]

35. You mean DLC, don't you?

There's a difference. The DNC with Howard Dean had the 50-state strategy, remember?

[Larry Allen]

40. Don't lose focus DU'ers

This is a most excellent post. I don't know what the relationship between DNC and DLC is but I suspect it has a lot to do with corporate money. Should the DNC be criticized for not rejecting the DLC for being more interested corporate doners than democratic voters?

I don't know but keep in mind that our greatest battle still looms and that it is a battle for the soul of the Democratic Party. In the words of wcepler,
"ONLY grass roots liberals can power ethical, rational change in America".