Is the DLC taking over the dem party It seems like it...

[bigdarryl]

with Carvilles statement to oust Dean as chairman of the party and replace him with Ford who i think is a member of the DLC with the number of dem's who won Tuesday most of them are members of that group. including Hillary and Bill there might be a coup taking place on Dean.

[evlbstrd]

1. They are afraid we've taken it from them

and want to preempt it.

[NYCGirl]

2. No, they're just louder than the others. NT

[gully]

3. No, the "big tent" is holding the party.

eom

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Carville is head of nothing.

He is a big mouth upset that he had nothing at all to do with an historic Democratic victory.

[emulatorloo]

5. Who gives a RAT's ASS about what James Carville wants?

I mean c'mon, really. He has enough on his hands being married to Cheney's handmaiden, Mary Matalin.

Dean is our chairman, he was elected, he helped us win.

James Carville is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

[fooj]

6. Ford LOST on Tuesday. And yes, he is DLC.

Dean isn't going anywhere. Carville needs to STFU...we won IN SPITE OF his BULLSHIT!

[hedgehog]

7. Enough from the DLC already.

As my Dad says, Pelosi doesn't need to move to the Center, she IS the Center!

[Burnsey_Koenig]

8. Carville call is about Steele

Carville is calling on the removal of Dean with the replacement of Ford because of Steele. He's afraid that the Republicans having an African American heading the RNC and how that would look.

I stand with Howie. I have since he first said he was running for President. We wouldn't have won without the 50 state strategy, and Carville (and EVERYONE ELSE) knows it.

[wyldwolf]

9. I just don't get it

Some days on DU, the DLC is weakened and irrelevant.
Some days on DU, the DLC has complete control and the party must be liberated from their iron fist.
Then... there are those days when the DLC occupies that shadowy "in between" ground, not in control but about to "take over..."

[Sadie5]

13. DLC-DNC

I have been a Democrat since birth and that means I am A Dean Democrat. Carville is a loud mouth who if I didn't know better sounds to me like a Repuke. Dean's 50 state plan worked...period!

[wyldwolf]

16. not only was that reply completely irrelevant but...

...if being a Democrat since birth makes you a Dean Democrat, you're what... 3 years old?

[Sadie5]

18. NO

It means I'm a DNCer. The DLC was created in the 80s so that they too could take corporate funds just like the Repugs had been doing all along. By taking corporate funds they became yes people to big business. NAFTA is one incidence of big money controlling politics.

[wyldwolf]

19. revisionist history, anyone?

[k_jerome]

21. its called whining. people always have to have something to whine about. nt.

[Atman]

10. "Return to Clintonism" from the DLC web site...

It is a book review, but notice the change in tone when talking about "net roots" as opposed to "Clintonism."...It is from May.

<snip>

Take It Back is packaged in the same aggressive tone as Crashing the Gate. The title itself is borrowed from one of the Dean campaign's catch phrases. And the introduction flatly embraces the Dean/netroots indictment of Democrats as, well, cowards. "he problem with the Democratic Party is not ideological, it's anatomical," the authors write. "We lack a backbone. Consider this book an attempt at a spinal transplant."

Carville and Begala are famously pugnacious partisans and they are true to combative form in the book. But most of Take It Back is an attempt, not at a spinal transplant, but a brain transplant for Democrats.

At its heart, Take It Back is a call for a return to Clintonism. The bulk of the book is composed of sound advice about how Democrats can deal with persistent public doubts about -- and Republican attacks on -- the party's credibility on national security, cultural issues, taxes, and the role of government.

There is also a highly informed critique of some of the worst habits of Democratic political consultants (a tribe of which the authors, of course, are fully initiated members). The section on national security calls for a loud and proud commitment by the party to stand for a strong national defense and abandon the tendency to concede foreign policy issues to the GOPin a rush to change the subject to domestic issues.

<snip>

http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=171&contentid=253867


Now, that last one, particularly...exactly WHO was the first person Bush let go? Hmmm?

Piss off, DLC.

This was a vote against your ilk, too. You just happened to be in the correct column.

.

[longship]

11. No. Like other ideologues, they're just flapping their gums.

I'm a died-in-the-wool liberal. But even I recognize the need for a large variety of opinions to govern successfully. That means we need the DLC types (pullease without the DLC itself), liberals, socialists, and even conservatives.

The most radical and liberal position is that there is nobody to waste in this effort. All can and should contribute. The best always comes from cooperation. And since I know that liberals will have a say in things, I know that a lot of bad things are going to be avoided. And conservatives know that from their perspective, the same will happen.

This is *NOT* governing from the center. It is governing from a diversity of positions and finding a consensus that gives everybody something of value. Without liberals in the mix, it doesn't work. Likewise, without conservatives in the mix.

If there is *one* thing we should have learned from the past 12 years, and especially from the past six, it's that a monolithic, monochromatic government brings on only wreckage.

[cali]

12. Can all the people on this thread

really be blind to what's happening? It's a powerplay by the Clintons. Simple as that and not a secret. Carville is nothing but a factotum scurrying about doing his nasty little errands. Are we gonna allow this to happen? I sure the hell hope not. And oh, Bill and Hillary can go jump off a very high cliff. All this Big Dog bullshit around here makes me want to puke.

[bemildred]

14. I'm kind of wondering what they can actually do about it?

Is Dean up for re-election or anything?

[cali]

17. It's a four year appointment but

party bigwigs have a history of using their influence to oust people they don't want.

[bemildred]

20. Yeah, but they didn't want him in the first place.

The party cadre sort of shoved him down their throats. It's going to get interesting if the DLC people try to push this. But thanks for answering, I didn't really know how it worked, but I'm starting to learn.

[LWolf]

15. Only if rank and file Democrats allow them to.

If that's what the majority want, it will certainly happen.

Or, if the majority sit back complacently on November wins and don't expect the inner fight for control of the party to continue, because of course all we cared about was putting "Ds" in office, regardless of what they do when they get there.....