This is all anyone needs to know about James Carville.

[fooj]

Woodward's book lays out the TRUTH clear as a bell...

This treasonous traitor has NO PLACE in our party, IMO.

On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

Carville, Rahm and the rest of the corporate whores can take a flying leap! Carville didn't agree with a CHALLENGE? Who the f*ck does this guy work for? Really?

I know the answer and I'm certain many of you do, as well. Enough about this asshole. It's not ALL ABOUT CARVILLE OR RAHM...or anyone else individually, for that matter. It's about THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE! Period.

This is what we stand for...



Howard Dean helped the American people take our country back. No amount of spin will ever change that fact. I stand with Dean. I stand with TRUTH.

[BobRossi]

1. He's just plain creepy. nt

[tularetom]

2. I get the feeling Carville doesn't like any Dem

who doesn't talk like his mouth is full of fucking cornpone.

[Ken Burch]

3. Carville no longer has ANY PLACE IN THIS PARTY after that stunt.

Time for the Cajun Chrome Dome to hit the road.

[fooj]

5. The "Cajun Chrome Dome" and his treasonous hag...

:rofl:

Freaks of nature. LOL!

[kimmerspixelated]

4. This is in the book?

Wow.. I haven't read it yet..but that is HUGE! Sounds like Mr. and Mrs. Carvelle need to be prosecuted along with the others of course! I've always thought she was a bitch, but he's worse-now that I know that!.. and probably he is very jealous of DEAN and wants to take his place.HAHAHAHAHA!

[Bucky]

6. One thing's for certain... you can always depend on Bob Woodward to tell it straight.

You can't see me, but I'm rolling my eyes.

[fooj]

9. True. However, what does he gain by lying about this?

Carville spoke HIMSELF this am. All I've heard throughout the past few days is how Rahm is the next coming of Christ. The guy heaps so much self-adulation on himself that he is liable to drown in it if he's not careful. LOL.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

39. How about turning Democrats against one another?

Why shold we believe Woodward?

[lies and propaganda]

44. thank God i read all that ...

i almost had some reactionary posting till i read the body!

[yebrent]

7. In their greedy worldview, a Dem House and Senate

makes it more difficult to elect a Dem President in 2008. In other words, getting Hillary elected has become that much more difficult for them. That is why Carville is not happy with the election. Also, Hillary wasn't the hero of the election, which has hurt her primary chances. In fact, the vote for change doesn't help anyone who has been in the public eye the last 6+ years. It hurts Hillary, McCain, and Kerry's 2008 chances the most. This election was about change, and that mandate for change includes the 2008 nominees.

[CottonBear]

10. We need a governor (Bill Richardson) or a former military (Clark) to run in 2008.

Senators have a record of votes that come back to haunt them. A former or current governor (Carter and Clinton were both governors...) or a retired high level military man would be the best and safest choice for a candidate for 2008

edit: clarification

[yebrent]

14. Clark is my top choice.

Followed closely by Richardson and Gore.

[politicasista]

19. Hope they can open the books on Bush Co. and BFEE

Just sayin.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

43. i think that's absolutely true. great post.

this was as much a rejection of failed Democratic strategies, and a confirmation of progressive values, as it was a rejection of republican fascist "conservatism".

[Dinger]

8. I Agree 100% K & R

[The Count]

11. He was excusing torture on Crossfire in 2002. Downhill eversince.

I remember how they were attacking all Dem candidates (who were not Edwards) on that show....

[Nozebro]

12. Carville managed the losing Houston mayoral campaign (Hofheinz) and

in that campaign, Hofheinz came out in favor of stronger drug laws, because he was heavily invested in CCA (Corrections Corp. of America); the folks that build private prisons for corporate gain.

[The Count]

16. In this election? 2006? That would be some record for a dem to lose!

[Firespirit]

13. A message for Hillary, nameless party "strategists," and other enablers of swiftboating:

This isn't over.

Our party won back Congress this week, no thanks to you. No thanks to you who laughed at the "nutroots," as you condescendingly call the Internet-surfing grassroots activists of the party. No thanks to you who thought getting the House would be hard and didn't think we had a prayer of taking back the Senate -- and who endorsed sacrificial lamb candidates to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Now you want to throw out Dean and replace him with Harold Ford, because -- in your twisted version of reality -- the 50-state strategy cost us seats. No, as you know quite well, YOUR plan would have cost us not just seats, but control of Congress. You would have ceded Montana and Virginia as "safe Republican seats." And with all due respect to Mr. Ford, he has no business as DNC chairman. He is a legislator, not a strategist. The best place for him would be back in Congress in 2009.

We also won't let you or your pals in the media hang John Kerry out to dry. He didn't sacrifice himself for the party. He stepped aside for the party in the final week, because YOU refused to stand by him against the right-wing swiftboating (just as in 2004). We will not forget the early fundraising that Kerry did for candidates such as Webb, bringing them to the attention of the DSCC, which was more than content to sit twiddling its fingers and smear Kerry for not giving his money to the organization. We will not forget the support that Kerry gave to candidates like Sestak, Murphy, Shea-Porter, and Hodes -- and yes, Tammy Duckworth, who is very likely to stage a comeback just like Kerry.

Hillary -- we definitely will not forget how you, who coasted to reelection with two-thirds of the vote, still saw fit to attack Kerry over what you knew perfectly well was a mangled joke. Pronoungate, if you will -- that captures the stupidity and vapidity of the incident. The blogosphere isn't ready to forgive you over it, especially now that your flacks are painting targets on anyone who isn't explicitly in your camp. The joke incident is over. The sole reason why the simpering media are saying it took Kerry out of the running is because they think, or want to think, that he will choose not to run now. I wouldn't be surprised if your flacks fed them that very line. But you see, that isn't how John Kerry operates. He has been slimed repeatedly, and he always comes back. The original swiftboating of 2004 is now regarded with contempt by everyone except for Freepers. Your dirty act will go the same way.

And here's something else. You hoped that he would tuck his tail in between his legs and go away. Well, he won't -- so if you want to run against him based on the joke, you'll have to do your own smearing now. The Republican Party will not aid and abet you, because they have a primary of their own and far bigger problems than taking out John Kerry. I'll grant that the media will likely take every opportunity possible to remind people of the joke, but that won't last long -- because no one will want to hear about it. This will be an issue-based primary, no matter how much you want to make it something else. The American people spoke last Tuesday that they are fed up with smearing, mud, and personality-based politics. They want real ideas and real solutions, and you, Hillary, ain't got those. You want to run against Kerry's slip of the tongue, then YOU will have to bring it up.

Now that the election is over, it would seem that you are ready to fight for the presidential nomination. The Clinton/DLC wing versus the anti-Clinton/DLC wing. All right. We knew it was coming. We aren't surprised. So you think (mistakenly) that you've taken out Kerry, one leader of the people's wing, and now you're after Dean. Well, you'll be proven wrong about destroying Kerry, and if you try to dump Dean after the biggest blowout in recent history, a blowout in which you were CONSISTENTLY on the wrong side, you'll be laughed off the field. The party did not lose control of a single Democrat-held seat at the Congressional or gubernatorial level. Not one. We pitched a shutout. And if you try to throw out Dean because you want to force your candidate upon the party, people will think, "Why should the party get rid of Dean? He led it to a landslide!"

The Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Feingold, Clark, and Obama people need to put aside any rancor they have at each other. Carville has just declared war on ANYONE who stands in the way of Hillary.

You want a war?

BRING IT ON.

I dare you.

[wisteria]

15. OMG, Bring it on!!!n/t

[fooj]

26. Yep. Keep fucking with us.

Apparently, Tuesday didn't teach them ANYTHING.

[Cha]

29. Excellent, Eloquent, and

BULLSEYE, Firespirit!

carville makes hillary even less appealing than before..he needs go kiss his butt ugly or something.

[ChiciB1]

35. Wonderful Post... I Totally Agree With You... Some In My Own Family

are surprised by my animus with Hillary, but I'm the activist and they generally come to me for most the inside track on politics!

There WAS a time when I was in her corner and I still think Bill Clinton has done much more to help than she has. However, I will remain against her and that WHOLE groups unless or until I see them giving Howard Dean proper credit and when they get down off THAT pedestal!!

[mtnsnake]

42. lol, the biggest enabler of swiftboating was the fellow you've got pictured

in your post. Kerry did nothing when they started with their slanderous lies, so by doing nothing and not fighting back, he enabled them to continue with their vicious lies until the charges stuck in the minds of the voters.

[Totally Committed]

17. Add this element to it... and you cave to wonder, can he be trusted?

Think about it. On so many levels, you really can't.

TC

[fooj]

20. Yikes. Excellent point.

[WildEyedLiberal]

21. OMG how repulsive

Hey, how you doin'? Congrats on electing Deval Patrick... MA is shinier blue than ever!

:hi:

[Totally Committed]

37. I know! No more Mittens Romney!

:hi: WEL

TC

[Coexist]

18. His wife is being considered head the RNC.

She looks like she wears the pants in that house.

[OzarkDem]

23. If she doesn't end up in jail

Isn't that still a possibility as an outcome of Fitzgerald's investigation?

[fooj]

25. We can only HOPE...

:evilgrin:

[davidwparker]

22. "he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters"

This part got me. This is what we were hoping he'd do. I have other people that I'm supporting in '08.

2004 was sad. Kerry is a decent man.

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. You get the same "unbiased" opinion from lawyers.

Too many conflicts of interest. Too many people making decisions at the middle management levels, that should go to the top.

[DemBones DemBones]

27. Carville's been literally sleeping with the enemy for too many years.

He and Begala are the past and we need to keep a close eye on Rahm Emmanuel, too.

[Snap]

28. all in fun

Well you see, it's all a game to these people.
It's like being a rock star or a baseball player.
No doubt he is one clever MF, but give me a break,
he's married to the devil.

[nashville_brook]

38. you can't LOVE someone who is against all you BELIEVE in

therefore...

i believe Carville "believes" nothing worth my time.

he's a reptile.

[nicknameless]

30. Plus it appears that he's trashing Howard Dean and praising the RNC.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2680370

Traitorous shit.

:grr:

[Tigress DEM]

31. Thank you for a fact loaded OP!

I'd stand with DEAN on his own merit despite someone else being "just fine" but this guy!!! Yuck, what a slime!

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

32. Carville is Norma Desmond

and he's ready for that next close-up. Which should only occur in home video shot by his wife.

There is too much of a cognitive disconnect for me to take seriously a supposed Democratic adviser/pundit who is married to a chief aid of Darth Cheney. Could anyone who posts on this board be intimately involved with someone who was intimately involved in WHIG?
Bleechh!

I honestly don't give a gnat's ass about what James Carville thinks or says about anything.

[Elidor]

33. Here's another blast from the past:

By choosing former Georgia governor Zell Miller as his running mate, Al Gore could add intellectual brainpower, rhetorical firepower, and lots of plain old populist piss-and-vinegar to this staid election.

<...>

Zell Miller is also a world-class campaigner and orator. His keynote address to the 1992 Democratic convention ranks with Barbara Jordan's and Mario Cuomo's as one of the finest examples of powerful rhetoric and partisan passion.

At a time when politics seems moribund, Zell would bring energy. When people are looking for heroes, Zell's the real thing. And when Democrats need someone who's not afraid to open up a can of whupass on the radical right , they need look no further than Zell Miller.

-James Carville, 2000

http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2006/11/what-are-you-going-to-do-fire-me-on.html

[nashville_brook]

36. aCK! Carville pushed for ZELL MILLER as GORE's running mate!

holy fucking shit.

[chill_wind]

41. Yikes. Thast really IS all anybody needs to know! K&R nt

[DemBones DemBones]

45. Zell Miller recommended Carville and Begala to Bill Clinton;

they had worked for Zell's Georgia gubernatorial campaigns. Zell was OK as a governor, did several good things, particularly for public schools, and children, and nothing bad that I recall. Were we surprised when he got in the Senate!!!

He wasn't elected, you know, he was appointed to fill out the term of Senator Paul Coverdell, who died. That meant when Zell ran for re-election, he was already an incumbent and had been in office only a few months so he had the incumbent advantage, was well-known as a two-term governor, and nobody knew what he'd do in the Senate. A lot of people say that some Capitol Hill insiders snubbed him, treating him like a rube when he'd been a college professor, and he was lashing out as a reaction. I think having served in the Marine Corps predisposed him to side with Bush re: Iraq, too. And Bush would not have snubbed him; they were on good terms from national governors conferences.

I'm really glad Zell's out of the Senate now but it's kind of sad that someone who was once a pretty liberal Democrat ended up so embittered.

[LetsGoMurphys]

34. sellin out for a woman

if thats what you wanna call her.

[springhill]

40. I always wondered..............

how in the hell can he be married to a woman with the kind of views she has and the viciousness and smarminess she displays. Well, maybe his views aren't so far outside hers. How else could you tolerate living with someone like that day in and day out?