Carville: “The R.N.C. did a better job than the D.N.C. this year.”

[ProSense]

The praise from Mr. Romney was echoed in an unsolicited call from James Carville, a veteran Democratic operative who is married to Mary Matalin, a veteran Republican strategist.

“The R.N.C. did a better job than the D.N.C. this year,” Mr. Carville said, referring to the Democratic National Committee.

He said Democrats succeeded because the party’s House and Senate campaign committees compensated for what Mr. Carville described as the shortcomings of the Democratic National Committee, allowing the party to take advantage of a wave of voter resentment directed at Republicans.

“When one of these things hit, it doesn’t matter who the party chairman is,” he said.

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[blm]

19. Carville also thinks McAuliffe's DNC did a GREAT job in 2004 and put all blame on Kerry.

The ClintonInc boys like to point fingers AWAY from themselves at all times.

Kerry WON ALL His matchups against Bush.

McAuliffe oversaw a party infrastructure that was COLLAPSED all over the country since 1997 thanks to the Clinton-era TARGETED state strategy in place since 1995.

Gore or Kerry would be president today, and no Dem senators would have lost their seats if Dean was running the DNC before the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections.

[nradisic]

2. Carville sleeps with the enemy

James Carville is a DLC slut. James Carville is not a true Democrat by any means. We have to get rid of the scum like him. It is Lieberman and Zell Miller all over again. Carville to me has always been a mole. Enough already. This asshole does not speak for Democrats.

[rodeodance]

5. yeah, the last few years he has completely crossed over as i see it.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. The DLC is a Pile of Shit

The DLC runs the party for 14 years, and we get our clocks cleaned by the Rethugs every time. An actual Democrat takes control, and we win back both houses of Congress.

Pretty simple stuff.

[Totally Committed]

10. What Manny said....

exactly.

TC

[mtnsnake]

16. I'm no DLC shill, but c'mon, a pile of shit? Surely you forget why the DLC

was formed to begin with, with good intentions in helping the near non-existant think tanks of the Democratic Party catch up with the well established think tanks of the Republican Party. At least they had good intentions and they have done some good, so it's not just a pile of shit. Maybe a puddle of pee but not a pile of shit. Geez.

[MannyGoldstein]

17. They Lose Elections.

And when someone else wins, they seek to destroy them.

Look, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. They may have sprung from good intentions, but they are now toxic waste.

[mtnsnake]

23. I don't believe that

but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[MannyGoldstein]

24. They Ran The DNC For 12 Years

And we got our clocks cleaned for all 12.

Dean takes over, and we win both houses of Congress.

There are certainly some mitigating factors... but the bottom line is the bottom line.

[mtnsnake]

25. Also helping our cause this yr was the worst president & most corrupt administration

in history.

But yes, Dean takes over and we win. I think he did a fine job.

[wyldwolf]

4. I wouldn't go that far. But I do agree that our campaign committees made the difference

[Botany]

6. What?

The racist anti Ford ads in TN = RNC
The robo calls = RNC

Winning both the House & Senate = Dean & the DNC

BTW James, nice job on telling your wife about the Provisional ballots uncounted
in Ohio in 04 so she would tell Rove and Rove would call Blackwell and those votes
would go bye-bye.

[Hugin]

7. Well... That pretty much puts James Carville on my Persona Non Grata list.

Joining such luminaries as: Anne Coulter, Robert Novak, Judith Miller, Karl Rove, Tom
Delay, and on and on.

If he's so fond of the RNC and their leadership... He can *BE* one of them.

GO DEAN!!!

[Loki]

8. Hey Mr. Carville

I'm a life- long Democrat, who is married to a life-long Democrat (not a possibly criminal Republican hack like you) and it's long past time for you to just shut the fuck up.

[rox63]

9. If Carville had his way...

There would have been no DNC Chairman Dean, no 50-state strategy, and we would have lost again. Fuck off, Carville.

[Mist]

11. Carville, you're irrelevant now. Please just go away. nt

[mtnsnake]

12. self delete

posted to wrong thead by way of link to this one, lol

[peacebird]

13. Dean led the type smackdown Carville can only dream about....

It's kinda like the situation with Johann Bruneel. Johann Bruneel was considered the uber Director Sportif of pro-cycling - as long as Lance Armstrong rode for his team. Once Lance retired, well - Bruneel is revealed to be only human after all....

Carville was the golden boy of political strategy as long as he was working to elect the Big Dawg... So - was it really the charisma of the Big Dawg and NOT SO MUCH Carville's brilliance after all?

Methinks he whines too much about the "irrelevence" of Dr. Dean!

[mtnsnake]

15. Dean & Carville are two of the most dedicated Democrats ever

Just felt like saying that since you mentioned both in the same subject line. :)

[Warren Stupidity]

18. It is not credible that Carville is a dedicated Democrat.

As far as I can tell the only thing that Carville is dedicated to is Carville. He has a long history of sabatoging other Democrats, including as has been extensively documented right here, wrecking Kerry's plans to challenge the Ohio results. His attack on Dean is a power play intended to enhance his consulting business by promoting his dlc new dem center right cronies into power and marginalizing the progressive wing.

[mtnsnake]

26. I don't know. I've always loved how he attacks Republicans relentlessly

and he pulls no punches like so many others do.

BTW, his "attack" on Dean wasn't quite as much of an attack as what is made of it here and on Kos. It might have been inappropriate, yes, but it was just a hypothetical question about Harold Ford.

[Art_from_Ark]

14. Howard Dean is the man of the hour

He has been instrumental in doing what many thought was unattainable-- gaining control of both houses of Congress. Every real Democrat owes Howard a debt of gratitude.

[Peace Patriot]

20. His statement is absurd nonsense in every respect but this...

...the DNC/Howard Dean have NOT done enough to get rid of Bushite-controlled electronic voting machines, run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code--code so secret that not even our secretaries of state are permitted to review it (--an outrageous situation!)--and a host of other old and new Republican vote-stealing and vote-suppression tactics.

Greg Palast estimates FOUR MILLION black, poor and other Democratic voters purged from voting rolls, or otherwise suppressed (unfair rates of spoilage, challenges and worthless "provisional" ballots, etc.), without even getting into the matter of easy, undetectable electronic vote stealing. How much electronic vote-stealing was there--in the primaries, to determine who can run, and the general election? We can't know. Isn't that a fine how-do-you-do? WE. CAN'T. KNOW.

Our win would have been MUCH BIGGER without these NON-TRANSPARENT and easily riggable conditions, and continued massive vote suppression. And Congress, as a consequence, would much better reflect the majority of Americans than it does now. EVEN WITH a 30-some seat Dem majority in the House, and Dem control of Senate committees, does this Congress truly reflect the SEVENTY PERCENT of the American people who oppose the war on Iraq and other Bush policy? Most of the Democrats' opposition to the Iraq War has been tepid, at best. Most of them are "corporatists," and hog-tied to military spending. And, critically, there is a contingent of "Bushite Democrats"--like those who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus a few weeks ago--who comprise a block of "swing votes" to protect fascist executive power and prevent real reform.

I have frankly been appalled at the MIND-BOGGLING SILENCE of the Democratic leadership on SECRET corporate vote counting--by corporations with very close ties to the Bush Junta and far rightwing causes, no less. Dean said a few things prior to the election. But not much. He did say election reform is a priority--the day AFTER these elections!

And I do NOT expect this Congress to enact serious election reform. I think the Senate will gut it, or veto it. So where does that leave us? We, the People, have to restore transparent vote counting ourselves. (--and I think the huge Absentee Ballot revolt against the machines this time indicates that voters are conscious of the problem and want it fixed; they were voting by AB to try to get around the rigged electronics; this big AB voter rebellion can be used at the local level for a backdoor strategy to achieve transparent vote counting--demand that AB votes be handcounted, and the results posted BEFORE any electronics are used--get that going, locally, and it will snowball).

So, on this matter--and this matter alone--Carville is right (about RNC vs DNC). The Republicans have been a lot swifter at vote stealing than the Democrats have been at election reform, and that failure very much CURTAILED our win.

Carville, of course, doesn't mention this matter at all. He's just your typical, spoiled "rich bitch" DLC-type "political consultant." Head full of the smog of power. Face all over the war profiteering corporate news monopoly TV. Lost touch with ordinary people, and with any notion of what democracy is all about, a lo-o-ong time ago. A parasite.

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*(An unrelated factor is that only one third of the Senate was up for reelection, while the entire House was up--obviously making it much harder to change the political makeup of the Senate in one election. But I think the Dem win in the House should have been quite a bit bigger--and much further to the left--and would have been, but for secret Bushite vote counting and other disgusting proclivities of the fascist party.)

[katinmn]

21. In an unsolicited call to the NYT... I think Carville needs to STFU!

He is causing divisiveness just at a time when we need to pull together.

What an a-hole.

[phiddle]

22. Yeah, the RNC was better....except for the results. (sarcasm)

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. "Maverick, you did great - right up to that part where you died." n/t

[phiddle]

31. Chuckles

[FreeStateDemocrat]

27. Just Hillary speaking, willing to throw the Democratic Party under the bus to win the presidency.

[mtnsnake]

33. So how's she different from you & or anyone else who'd throw the Party

under the bus for whatever special interests cause that you happen to be pushing for your own selfish wants?

[gulliver]

28. Hey, remember everything Carville did to help us win this time!

And if you do, please remind me. I'm stumped.

[Orangepeel]

30. so what about the governorships and state houses?

Dean and the DNC helped us win those, too.

[leesa]

32. As usual, the DLC working for the good of the GOP.

They are ALWAYS working against Democrats. Why?

[nancyr]

34. Carville is a fool. Wjo cares what he might say?

[high density]

35. Did Carville see different results on Tuesday than the rest of us?

I can't get over what a media whore this guy is.