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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:24 PM
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NYT Editorial: Dems have no plans; temporarily (huh?) escalate war
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Democrats and Iraq

Published: November 12, 2006

The Democrats will not be able to savor their victory for long. Americans are waiting to hear if they have any good ideas for how to get out of Iraq without creating even wider chaos and terrorism.

Criticizing President Bush’s gross mismanagement of the war was a winning electoral strategy. But criticism will not extricate the United States from this mess, nor will it persuade voters that the Democrats are ready to take back the White House.

Let us be clear. The responsibility for all that has gone wrong lies squarely with Mr. Bush. Even with control of the Congress, the Democrats’ role in changing things will be hortatory. And while we too are eager to hear the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group — better known as the (James) Baker commission — it should be the start, and not the end, of a bipartisan discussion on Iraq strategy. The Democrats need to be ready to play a full role.

Under Republican control, Congress has exercised virtually no oversight of the administration’s misconduct of the war, and the new Democratic leadership is eager to hold extensive hearings. The public deserves a full accounting (backed by subpoenas, if necessary) of how prewar intelligence was cooked, why American troops were sent to war without adequate armor, and where billions of dollars in reconstruction aid disappeared to.

The Democrats will also need to look forward — and quickly. So far they have shared slogans, but no real policy. During the campaign, their most common call was for a “phased redeployment” — a euphemism for withdrawal — of American troops starting before the end of this year.

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Unless America’s exit plans are coupled with a more serious effort to build up Iraq’s security forces and mediate its sectarian divisions, a phased withdrawal will only hasten Iraq’s descent into civil war — while placing American soldiers who remain behind in even greater danger. We also fear that Iraqis will have no interest in anything but retribution, until they see that security and rebuilding are possible. For that reason we have suggested one last push to stabilize Baghdad. That would require at least a temporary increase in American and Iraqi troops on Baghdad streets.

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KERRY-FEINGOLD


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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:27 PM
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1. The author likely has some defense stock he wants to "pump up" before he sells.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:29 PM
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2. Delusional fools have not got the message: WAR LOST.
There will be chaos no matter what day we pull out. No matter when. There will be thousands more dead Iraqis BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID. NOTHING WILL MAKE IT BETTER FOR THEM. We have to go. We've done enough and we can never make it right.

What happens next is a chapter they have to write. There is not a single good thing we can contribute to it.

Every Iraqi death is on us. Every single one. Time to go.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:32 PM
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3. This really isnt that difficult to figure out ....
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 09:45 PM by Trajan
Not ONE WORD has been spoken for peace ... not a one ....

NO peace initiatives ...

NO summits or meetings between heads of states ...

NO discourse between parties ...

NO intermediaries ...

NO interlocutors for peace ... none ....

Its been WAR WAR WAR nonstop for over 3 damned heartbreaking years now ....

It is time to bury the 1000 hatchets, and start talking peace ....

It is time to brush off the olive branches, and slowly wave them before the eyes of the weary ....

Families, everywhere, deserve to be safe ....

Sunni familes ...

Jewish families ...

Shiite families ...

Christian families ...

Hindu families ...

Kurdish families ...

Atheist families ...

Mothers and fathers on ALL SIDES are tired of war ..... It is time to stop ....

It is time for great men to step forward, and break the ice for peace ....

STOP this breast beating nonsense ..... This tough talk, strident rhetoric, and bullying one-upmanship .... It is pure bombastic barbarism ...

It is time for great men to step forward, and offer peace to all sides .... to build a consensus for peace ....

The GOP is NOT the party of great men to speak of peace : they only speak of war built of internal hatreds unrequited ....

It is time for great men to put aside hatred for the sake of human families ....

It is time to speak peace ....

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 05:57 AM
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9. Read Kerry-Feingold
It absolutely calls for regional summits, discourse, intermediaries, etc. Kerry has called for nothing but increased diplomacy for 3 years straight.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 09:34 PM
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4. The dems aren't running the war. What the hell are they getting
the blame for? The election was five days ago.

What an ass.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:35 PM
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5. it isn't the job of Democrats to come up with ideas on Iraq
That's the job of the administration.

It is, however, the job of Democrats to oversee and fund/not fund.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:48 PM
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6. Obviously ... I would disagree ....
Considering what I wrote above ....

WHY is peace making a bad idea ? ...

WHY is it no one gives that idea creedence ? ...

I find it is the ONLY idea that will work ....

It is also the only idea that makes sense .... War cannot last forever; so why not ACTIVELY seek to end it ? ....

Why not stand up and ask for peace now ? ....

Democrats can do that ... Cant they ? ....

I feel like a voice in the wilderness today .... like I speak in the cone of silence ....

Seeking peace is the greatest of noble endeavors .... Yet it gets not even a peep here ....

"Its not my job" doesnt cut it .....
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:54 PM
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7. okay
But the notion that Democrats must be held responsible for managing the war is a Republican trap. Asking the question is a WH manipulation.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 11:02 PM
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8. The war part was easy ....
Killing and maiming human beings from afar is as easy as pressing a button ....

PEACE, on the other hand, is hard work ....

NOTHING is stopping the Democrats from seeking a consensus between the parties involved ....

The 'war' is allegedly over, and it is 'the peace' that has been sorely mismanaged ...

Is is 'the peace' that I WANT the Democrats to resolve ....

The answer to the WH line is just that : Talk peace, and stop talking war .... Use the power already used as the invading, usurping and occupying force, to engage the parties in peace negotiations .... make them front and center .... to bring ALL parties together into a consensus ASAP .... Yeah .. Its HARD WORK ... but that is all that will matter in the end ....

Then ? ... start drawing down as is reasonably possible ....

I do not accept the idea that Democrats are NOT responsible for seeking to end this .... It is their charge ..... and THAT should be their plan ....

Lambaste Bush and his WH cohorts into doing what is right : seek peace .... But dont just sit there and do and say nothing .....
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