Screw off Harry Reid.....

[Flabbergasted]

I watched a few minutes of Harry Reid this morning pulling a lieberman.

Basically he talked about bipartisan blah blah blah and then went on to say we needed to have the "valuable tool of non court approved wiretaps to defend the nation."


Uh Dirty Harry it wouldn't have stopped the first one and its not necessary to change the laws now.

If this is what the "new" demo congress is about they do not have my support.

I was at first skeptical of the bipartisan talk and now I am firmly against it.

So are dems just going to roll over on this crap?

Considering writing to my congress people.

[mtnsnake]

1. If it was on Face the Nation, I thought he sounded great

Sheifert couldn't couldn't catch Reid sleeping once, no matter how hard he tried. When it comes to political talk, Reid is as savvy as they come and an asset. No wonder he's our speaker. Wether or not we agree or disagree with what he has to say, I don't think we ever have to worry about Reid ever putting his foot in his mouth and hurting Democrats images.

[Flabbergasted]

4. Having a good political talk and suggesting we give up our civil rights

to big brother are much different.

[mtnsnake]

13. See post #9. The OPer said he was playinig w/his daughter & may have misheard him

[Flabbergasted]

19. Ok I went back to read the transcript. I'm afraid I heard it right.

snip

SCHIEFFER: OK. Well, let me ask you about domestic eavesdropping. That
could come up for a vote. Are you going to put that off till next year, or would you take that up now?

Sen. REID: Well, we'll happy to take a look at it, but you know, the program is going on. Bob, first of all, understand Democrats. I believe that we have to do everything within our power, including the wiretapping, to get these bad people, these evil people, these terrorists. But in the process of doing this, we can't have the American people think that every telephone call that they have, that the government's listening in.

SCHIEFFER: Well...

Sen. REID: We must do it within the confines of the Constitution. And at
this stage, that has not been resolved yet. I repeat, the president's
program, as we speak, is ongoing.

snip




(His speech mirrors Repub talking points)

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_111206.pdf

[mtnsnake]

26. WTF is wrong with what Reid said there?

Even the 1% of the transcript you posted is well said by Reid, IMO, and the rest of it shows just how shrewd a politician he is, something that will come in handy for us. Like I said, you don't always have to agree or disagree with Reid, but the man handles questions better than most politicians. That's why he's our majority leader.

[BuyingThyme]

5. If he said what the OP said he said,

he put his foot in his mouth and hurt Democrats' images.

[mtnsnake]

14. See post #9

[Flabbergasted]

24. See Post 19

[tridim]

2. Relax, they're not going to roll over..

We can be "bipartisan" and still subpoena the hell out of BushCo.

Like it or not, Dem Senators (and even Dem Presidents) have to represent their Republican constituency as well as their supporters.

[Flabbergasted]

6. Is Lieberman an Example...?

[Flabbergasted]

25. Here's what he says on the subject.....

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2647877

snip

"Oversight is not investigations," Reid cautioned. "There will be times, rare occasions, when these committees will have to offer subpoenas, but that will happen very infrequently."

snip

[LittleClarkie]

3. What show were you watching?

I'd like to go looking for a transcript.

[Flabbergasted]

7. Face the Nation.

BTW if I took something out of context I'f be happy to know. But I wouldn't be surprised if the dems roll over on everything just like they have for the last 12 years or so.

[EST]

8. Perhaps I was watching a different "Face the Nation"

On the one I was watching he did not say it was o k to have non-court approved wiretaps.
Maybe I was napping, but on my TV he went to considerable lengths to point out that wiretaps could be important but we should not have to worry about the gummit listening, illegally, to our every conversation.

I thought he made the distinction between legal and illegal wiretaps pretty well.

[Flabbergasted]

9. I may have heard it wrong. I was busy with my daughter at the time.

[mtnsnake]

10. You're right. Reid made a fine distinction between legal & illegal wiretaps

I don't always agree 100% with Reid, but I thought he was exellent today...he was very careful and didn't fall pray by saying anything that could back to haunt him. Sheifert's questions were pretty tough, too.

[peacetalksforall]

11. I half heard him and I was apalled, but I'm hoping we will find

out that he meant true international calls with solid legal justification. What I heard made me think he wanted to keep it the way it is? = i.e., spying on Americans - with or without payments to corporations to hand over details of our personal stuff and our words. This data mining is designed for political purposes - let's own up and admit it. This has been brought to us by the right wing and complicit Dems and cannot be tolerated by our leaders.

Unless I heard incorrectly - he must make a distinction or I will fight for him to step down. How can any decent citizen approve of spying on us for who knows what resultant punishment or abuse.

This has been the values destruction White House and Congress and some Dems are helping.

Let's have our former privacy and rights citizenship.

C'mon Harry - please explain.

[mtnsnake]

12. You "half heard him" and you're appalled? How does that work?

[peacetalksforall]

15. I plainly heard him say he supported the law.. He is soft spoken -

I tried to get to the volume - I didn't get to hear everything and any distinction or qualification was over in a second. He had a perfect opportunity to speak up against citizen spying and there was nothing coming from his mouth. I qualified my post with the words "Unless I heard incorrectly..." So, yes, if I only heard him say he supported it, there must have been others like me who only half heard him - so yes, I am appalled. One reason is that I never heard that coming from him before. And, again, he missed an opportunity.

Are you the nuance policeperson?

[mtnsnake]

16. No I'm not a nuance policeperson, but it's sickening how DU witchhunts

are born so easily from factless innuendo, gossip, and half-heard soundbites.

[NRaleighLiberal]

18. Agreed. I would like to think that we are bigger/better around here,

and am a bit surprised at some of the post election posts showing impatience. For my part, I have been in a great mood since early the morning after the election. The past 6 years have made me so heartsick that I am going to savor this moment for awhile. I am hopeful, I am optimistic - but also realistic that there is much to do and a long way to go....and, no matter what the party, politicians are basically politicians...I try to set my expectations accordingly.

[Flabbergasted]

21. Read the transcript....He says nothing will change. Just a language shift.

[Flabbergasted]

20. Here's the transcript. Its full of Lieberman "Nuance"

[mtnsnake]

27. Whatever it is to you, it sounded near flawless to me this morning.

[Nimrod2005]

17. Calm down please....

[cleveramerican]

22. Good for HIM!

thats the exact tone thats called for, He is one smart cookie.

[Flabbergasted]

23. Meaning?