Rove's (failed) Election Theft Revealed

[Senator]

Those of us who remember the 2000 revelation that Rove already had a campaign "in the can, including media," to steamroll the electoral college into appointing the bushkid based on his expected (stolen) popular vote margin should have a feeling of deja vu over this little nugget.

In poker, this is what is known as a "tell."

From this Newsweek article:

Rove placed so much faith in his figures that, after the elections, he planned to convene a panel of Republican political scientists—to study just how wrong the polls were.

Yeah right, "study" the reality-based numbers into submission with THE faith-based math, as the Euphemedia laps it all up. Nice try former-sooper-geenyuz.

Thank heavens the anti-bush wave washed over the best laid plans of these Anti-American mice.

At least this time.

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[lyonn]

1. Just a thought, what if some of the machines were rigged but,

not so much that it would be a stand out and the cheating didn't account for the huge turnout?? Maybe our win was bigger than tallys show.

[Senator]

6. Oh the real exit polls already show this

There have been TruthisAll posts by autorank pointing this out.

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[ThomCat]

10. Exactly.

The best way to steal an election is by a narrow margin, not a landslide. Landslides would raise more questions and get more attention.

They just didn't plan for a big enough margin. The discrepancy between the election results and the exit polling show that margin.

[CoffeeCat]

So...is the general consensus...

...that Rove and Co did play their usual dirty tricks...but their stealing wasn't
enough to stem the tide of Dem/anti-Bush voters?

If so...how delicious.

I wondered what Karl meant, when he referred to "THE MATH" that he had--which foretold
definite 06 Republican wins.

No wonder these guys shied away from recounts. No wonder!

[WaterDog]

5. Yes, delicious!

But we've got to get the elections secured before 2008!!

Kick:kick: :bounce:

[Ethelk2044]

7. Bill to Mandate a Paper trail for all Machines

We should push all the Senate to pass a bill to mandate all
voting machines to have a paper trail before 2008.  We should
not let up on the issue.  We have too much at state for this
not to happen.

[tblue37]

9. Screw paper trails. We need hand counted paper ballots. (eom)

[Vincardog]

16. WE need paper ballots and random audits.

Then public financing of elections.
Then rescind the myth of "corporate Person hood"
Then universal health care
Then a full employment and living wage policy
Then environmental respect
Then a devotion to energy Independence
Then rescind the bankruptcy cluster fuck bill
Then make any company going bankrupt treat its board member's retirement and pay the EXACT SAME way sit treats its' employees retirement.
That will do for the first week

[venable]

17. excellent list

bravo and seconded

[Vincardog]

18. Thanks you and feel free to send it to your elected represent ives.

And /or the Corporate controlled media when they say The Democrats have no plan.

[smoogatz]

14. They just didn't crank the knob up high enough.

The problem was that in a presidential election you really only have to cheat in four or five "battleground" states (it helps if SoS's in those states are chairing your election committee); in a midterm, trying to maintain fairly slim majorities in both house, you have to do it district by district, precinct by precinct. They thoguht/hoped the usual array of voter purging/suppression, electronic vote stealing, and absentee ballot manipulation would do it for them, but turnout was too heavy, too many indies went blue, and the rest is history.

[liberalla]

19. Yep. You got it! They were stealing votes, but they

just weren't stealing ENOUGH! We were lucky the turnout was so good.

This voting theft is probably linked to the decision of Burns and Allen to concede in MT and VA. A recount would have revealed the true extent of the vote stealing.

We have to have a better system with safeguards in place by 2008.
Hand counted paper ballots!

[sendero]

20. Looks like Rove's math..

... was fuzzy. Based on the exit polls I think they planned to preserve their senate majority using VA and WY. Only the fact that the GOTV on our side worked better than expected saved us.

I've always contended that stealing an election is not as cut and dried as many here seem to think. It is easy to rig the machines, but the number of votes you steal has to be believable. You can't take them all from one precinct, you can't take too many.

I hope that this congress can do something about the voting machines.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

21. You guys are still on about Rove's stupid math?

Geez.

[AlamoDemoc]

2. We give so much credit on election results to men like Rove and Carville

when in fact we should give credit to the voters who are much in tune to reality than political strategists/hackers and pundits.

[papau]

3. A thumb on the scale that was not heavy enough to counteract the Dem wave

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=109&topic_id=28051&mesg_id=28051

[pat_k]

4. Kick and Recommend! (nt)

[Gelliebeans]

8. That stuck out to me also.

K&R. It is the same old playbook repeat the message whether it is true or not and make it reality.

[rniel]

11. Faith based math

That's a treasure. I'm going to have to remember that one.

[DearAbby]

12. Rove's "Metric Math"

[robinlynne]

13. and I would add: at least partially. We partially won. in reality it looks like

they stole approx 7% of the votes, which means many measures and candidates were probably stolen.

[PATRICK]

15. The last 72 hours

They did scramble the polls right on the last day by intensive robocalling harassment to which there was no time to respond. Days earlier the DNC had issued a "cease and desist" demand that was ignored in order to rescue endangered candidates that could be salvaged. Effect? Did it work? By "winning" and fogging exit polls the whole thing IS glossed over and some margins way beyond the point of challenging for something that only would effect probably a narrow number of voters. At the SAME time it was handicapping phone GOTV efforts, the second really damaging effect for challengers in a tough district.

Considering how the Dems got had in various ways, fought back with some results in others, this has been another harrowing and instructive election and this time the numbers so swamped the cheats that only some seats were stolen- though stolen they were. We are in a position to possibly salvage some of those and take down the e-voting lies with them.

I said earlier that we did NOT have a sure-fire campaign for victory but a drama that included the breath-holding fizzle of several broad GOP strategies and PR, the survival of Dems against the same, a lot of outside/inside help from the military, whistleblowers, GOP foot-in-mouth, scandals, etc. It COULD have gone either way unless you really believe the electorate was totally knowledgeable, supported by fair media, totally enlightened, totally able to vote and get their vote counted.

When the idea of giving credit comes up, it is a winners' argument as usual. Instead of luck, circumstances and hidden actors. And still not all votes were counted. The LACK of GOP challenges speaks as many volumes as their opposition to a paper trail(and in fact could it be connected, do you think?). Rove got it wrong in 2000 and got rescued by SCOTUS and Baker- a dynamic duo now in line to rescue George 2 from the noose. The reverse albatross of 9/11 has been the parrot card for so many years that only the lack of a homeland terrorist attack, the escape of top terrorists and the horrific meltdown in Iraq(along with the US budget) added to decadent scandals too huge to exaggerate was able to make Rove's easy MSM partnership a losing entity. It leaves a vile taste in the mouth to remember how much suffering and easy fascism has been sustained for those losing loons.

And the release of democracy from this con has just begun to backlash against the RW. One of the unintended results is to ignore how Democrats failed to stop the lies and the nonsense all those years.
Since the MSM has trouble framing that without saying how bad the Bush GOP is and was, that is THE honeymoon, possibly the only one you will get from the Corporate propaganda ministry.

[happydreams]

22. There has to be a link between

Rove and operatives in the tech community who tweeked the machines. Somebody out there knows something.