Impeach Bush? Are you kidding? Look what happened when Clinton was impeached

[mtnsnake]

When Republicans impeached Bill, our country rewarded the Republican Party with two terms of George W Bush. Gee, I'll bet that Republicans are real sorry they ever impeached Clinton.

If this is what happens when one of the best presidents, Bill Clinton, gets impeached, then how many terms will Democrats get rewarded for impeaching the WORST president in history?

Let the investigations begin ASAP!

[John Q. Citizen]

1. Yes, let the investigations begin. That's, after all, one of their primary

constitutional duties.

[iconoclastic cat]

2. Same with Nixon. nt

[AndyA]

3. Yes, the Dems MUST investigate President Bush.

It is not up to their discretion to do so, it is Constitutionally mandated that they must perform checks and balances on the Executive Branch.

Nancy Pelosi and John Conyers cannot decide on their own to not impeach. There is a process that must be performed, and they cannot disregard it.

[Poiuyt]

4. It's not just that Bush is the worst president in US history, it's that

he's committed high crimes and/or misdemeanors against our constitution.

[savemefromdumbya]

5. start with reopening the 9/11 commission (get Bush/cheney under oath)

[jpwhite]

6. this is why we should investigate first

We need to investigate first before thinking about impeaching Pres. Bush. This will allow us to build momentum and show the American people what has really happened with the money spent in Iraq. We should use this to show why the dems should maintain control of congress. Then if we can get enough evidence then we may be able to try it.

James
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[nadinbrzezinski]

10. That is the organic way impeachment works

[reichstag911]

12. To an extent, I agree...

...but on the other hand, they've admitted to ignoring FISA requirements.

[cleveramerican]

7. We should proceed with

what was said during the campaign. We must be the party of results, not blame.

No one voted for us to go jihad on the president. The voters have spoken and I think the more moderate forces within our party better stand up for themselves or the electorate will turn on us so fast it'll make your head spin.

I applaud congressional leaders calls for as much bi-partisan cooperation as can be garnered.

Its starting to look like the more liberal old-guard members of our party haven't learned one thing these last few years.

As always, when either party goes too far, the public(thankfully) pulls em back to reality.


Go too far, push too hard and we will appear just as power-obsessed as the neo-cons and our fate will be the same as theirs,only even quicker.

[reichstag911]

13. Speak for yourself;...

..."going jihad" on the pResident is absolutely one of the things I voted for!

[Tempest]

16. So did the rest of America

The election was a referendum on Bush and he lost miserably.

[Uncle Joe]

8. Not to mention the whole affair enabled Bush to claim the "honor and integrity"

mantle, while the mass corporate media simultaneously slandered Al Gore relentlessly beginning in March of 99 primarily because he empowered us when he championed the internet. This established the "*Matrix", the American People were living in during the coup of 2000.


* See movie for details

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. And when Watergate happened

we got rewarded with more seats in the house and the senate as well as Carter

Your logic is flawed... for the Republicans LOST seats in '98, not enough to loose the majority but they did

When you impeach for political reasons (twice in US History) the party in power gets punished. When you impeach for just reasons, technically has never happened as Nixon resined just hours before the articles were introduced, the American people get it

When will impeachment happen though? When our skittish dems realize they have the people behind them.

You want it, send letters, be active.

[Cleita]

11. Also, Clinton was acquitted of wrong doing. I don't think Bush

will be able to get an acquittal. He needs to be brought to justice along with his enablers, Cheney, Rice, Rove and yes Rumsfeld.

If he is found guilty and sentenced, part of that sentence should be to send him to the Hague to be tried for war crimes. In a perfect world that is the way it would be, but I know that won't happen.

However, impeachment is our best road for justice and we should do it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Hmm actualy we do have the statues in the books

for war crimes... we COULD try him ourselves and if found guilty the US penalty is death, the hague is life....

But I am not holding my breath on EITHER happening

[Cleita]

17. I just heard on the news that a class action suit against Rummy

is being filed in Germany by prisoners who were tortured in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. Germany has laws that state anyone can be tried for war crimes in their country regardless of the country of origins of either the prepetrators or the victims.

Link on edit:http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html

[loyalsister]

21. It's not necessarily a safe bet

We should keep in mind that many of the arguments our side has made have been based on "non evidence" and they will have the very best lawyers in the country.

Do you guys understand what will happen if they let the dogs out on some of this? There will be a trememndous amount of infighting on our side.

Most of it is based not on evidence but on arguments of what goes beyond FISA, how reasonable it is, etc. There is even disagreement within the Democratic party.

This stuff is not the hard evidence of a stained dress. It is based on principles which can be argued.

Under such circumstances, I am not convinced that there would be an inevitable conviction.
The question of the meaning of "is" truly could find it's way into the argument of such a debate.

[Cleita]

23. If they get a tough prosecutor, who can put them under oath and

wring the truth out of them, then we will have a case. Really, this is what I want, to peel the secrecy off of this administration and learn the whole truth of what has been going on behind those closed doors and secret meetings.

If by chance it turns out that they were naive and stupid, nothing more, then I want to know that too. But we will never know until we make them tell the whole truth.

I know they don't use prosecutors for impeachment hearings but whatever is the equivalent in this case. I know with Clinton it was an Independent Counsel.

[Tempest]

15. The country rewarded nothing

Gore won the election.

Bush and his cabal of lawyers (Baker), corrupt elections officials (Harris) and electronic voting machine companies (Diebold) stole it.

[Uncle Joe]

18. I agree Al Gore did win, however I believe the ongoing witch hunt against

Clinton, the Lewinsky Scandal and impeachment enabled Bush to keep it close enough for his thugs to steal the election in Florida.

If the election of 2000 had focused on competence and been covered by a fair and impartial American Press, Al Gore could have won all fifty states.

The mass corporate media knew the more moderate,conservative or traditional areas of the nation were tired of scandal. This is precisely why they relentlessly slandered Al Gore as to his integrity or credibility.

If they could portray Al to be delusional, claiming to have invented the internet as one example out of many, how could he be trusted on the issue of global warming?

[Cleita]

19. Yet, no one is filing charges against these entitities even though

there seems to be a lot of evidence out there of criminal activity. Whether it's empirical evidence good enough for trials, I leave to the lawyers to figure out.

[Tempest]

26. It takes the media to create the firestorm

And the media has been lapdogs to the Bush administration all in the name of access.

It's no coincidence the U.S. media was recently named as one of the less free presses in the world.

[enid602]

20. remember . .

A speedy impeachment might avoid the next big war.

[BootinUp]

22. Is it too soon to ask for

an Impeachment Dungeon at DU? :shrug:

[Cleita]

24. There's that little thingy on posts that hides threads if you don't

want to look at them.

[onenote]

25. What happened after the Clinton impeachment effort was bad for repubs

The two elections in closest proximity to the Clinton impeachment effort were 1998 and 2000. In those two elections the repubs lost a total of 4 Senate seats and 7 house seats. They also lost the 2000 presidential election but for a little thing called the Supreme Court, which you seem to overlook (and they lost the popular vote in the pres election even with the fraud). By 2002 and 2004, 9/11 had long overshadowed impeachment of a former president as a factor in any direction.