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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:16 AM
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WP, Dionne: To Democratic centrists and liberals: STOP ancient feud; it's no longer relevant.
Democrats' Real Victory
Self-Deluding Spin on Both Sides
By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Tuesday, November 14, 2006; Page A31

LITTLE ROCK -- Elections provoke myth-spinning. Republicans are in danger of spinning away from a full appreciation of the magnitude of their defeat last week. Democrats could spin themselves into useless arguments rooted in the past and ignore the opportunity American voters have offered them....

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Republicans make a mistake if they dismiss the depth of the Democratic victory and the disintegration of their coalition. Democrats now control 28 of the 50 governorships, many of them in previously red states such as Arkansas, and they picked up legislative chambers in seven states.

Democrats converted one-time Bush voters in large numbers and cut into core Republican constituencies. As the National Journal's Tom Edsall has pointed out, Republicans lost ground among white men, married people and religious voters. Nationwide, one of every seven Bush voters from 2004 backed a Democratic House candidate. In Ohio, Brown won 20 percent of those who voted for Bush two years ago; in Montana, Democrat Jon Tester won 18 percent of the Bush voters. In the Ohio governor's race, Ted Strickland, the winning Democrat, won 30 percent of Bush supporters from 2004.

But victory has not prevented the revival of what feels like an ancient feud between Democratic centrists, who are emphasizing the importance of moderate voters in Tuesday's results, and those on the party's left who point to the centrality of economic populism and impatience with the Iraq war.

To which the only rational response is: Stop! Moderates were indeed central to the Democrats' triumph, because Republicans vacated the political center. But these are angry moderates. Many are unhappy about Iraq, less on ideological grounds than because the Bush policy is such an obvious failure. The new Democratic voters are a mix of social conservatives (especially in the South and parts of the Midwest such as Indiana) and social libertarians (especially in the West). Many (especially in the Midwest) are angry about the flight of manufacturing jobs overseas.

Holding this coalition together will require subtlety and an acknowledgment that the comfortable old battles of the 1980s and '90s are irrelevant to 2006 and 2008. The old arrangements are dead, a truth that both parties need to recognize.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/13/AR2006111301056.html?nav=most_emailed
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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:21 AM
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1. We were feuding?
Uhh, ok.

Been a liberal for years. Didn't know I was feuding with moderates.

Not sure differences of opinion alone constitutes a feud.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:42 AM
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2. I hate you.....
LOL.....
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:58 AM
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11. Not feuding with "moderates" it's the
neocon dinos that need to get a clue.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:06 AM
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3. The article is on target....hope we don't blow our chance squabbling....
It would be the first time for the Democratic party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Dionne is right on.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:13 AM
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4. Wise words...
The truth is that the Bush administration has led us so off course that these smaller differences really don't matter...There are those of us who want sanity, and those who still want Bush. Period.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:45 AM
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5. You made a great statement in your post --
"the Bush administration has led us so off course that these smaller differences really don't matter." Exactly right! We can't be diverted. We need to start correcting the course.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 03:11 AM
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6. wow! E. J. Dionne Jr.
Damn the torpedos, full steam ahead.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:16 AM
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7. a.m. kick for E.J.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:50 AM
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8. Great, here it is.
Now that the election is over, here is the great Dionne, a Democratic centerist, telling all the liberals and progressives to go to the back of the bus again until they need us in the next election:eyes: Even though we put aside(and have been putting aside) our fears and differences in order to majorly contribute to getting Democrats elected, once the election is done, we're not welcome at the table anymore. After all, this was a "centerists' victory" whatever that means. Hell, we didn't even get the opportunity to ask for a bone this time.

Why do I get the feeling that I'm going to regret this election in some ways. I have the feeling I'm going to get this "centerist victory" crap shoved down my throat for the next two years as a tactic to further marginilize the left.

Hey, Dionne, you want an end to that "ancient feud? How about doling out some rewards to *everybody* who made this victory possible. After all, it only seems fair:shrug:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:58 AM
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10. Ding, ding, ding, Winner!
Dionne is not only anxious to put a DLC centrist stamp on this victory, but to deny any of its fruits to a lot of people who worked real hard to make it happen. People like Howard Dean and his 50-state strategy that was pooh-poohed by the cognoscenti inside the Beltway. "No, no," they said, "We have to target a few races that we can win; that's the way to make some inroads into the Republican majority. But taking a majority ourselves? That's just not possible."

So now that the fighting Democrats have won an amazing and overwhelming victory that nobody thought they could pull off, the DLC centrists want to pat our heads, send us to the back of the bus, and pretend like they accomplished something other than 12 years of losing with their gradualist approach.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:01 PM
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12. To me they're not "centrists" but
neocon dinos..and anyone who doesn't recognize what Dean's strategy has produced can bite it.

I don't know if Dionne is a centrist or a dino..big difference.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:33 PM
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14. My phrasing was inelegant
The DLC folks who would like to style themselves as the "centrists," the reasonable middle that holds back the slavering hordes of dirty hippies who would tie America the Great's hands when it comes to ordering the affairs of the world, and creating better living through military intervention. Those are the folks I was intending; people who are concerned that with this Democratic swamping of the Republicans, the United States might pull back from the brink of total fascism to mere proto-fascism or (horrors!) even crypto-fascism.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:47 PM
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16. Right! Thanks for the
further enlightenment:)
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greeneggs708 Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:32 AM
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9. Thank You
I know most that need to read this will glance over like Bush reading an intelligence report.

America said fix things. They did not say, spend two years fighting among yourselves.

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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:20 PM
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13. "Subtlety" and "acknowledgement"
"that the comfortable old battles of the 80's and 90's are irrelevant to 2006 and 2008."

What does he mean?

Seriously, I don't understand. What is he talking about?

I am a liberal Democrat. What does Dionne want me to do?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:37 PM
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15. He wants us to fall in line behind Poppy Bush and Bill Clinton and drop all notice
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 12:42 PM by blm
that EVERYTHING happening today is rooted in IranContra, BCCI, Iraqgate and CIA drugrunning.

See - Clinton and the corporate media DROPPED THIS BALL for years to the benefit of BushInc. They will need to coverup for Bush2 now the way they covered up for Bush1 at every important juncture in our history.

Parry reposted this on Nov 12, because he KNEW the coverup wing of the Dem party was trying to assert control of the agenda.

Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, C
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:40 PM
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17. Ah. I see. Thanks.
Here's the problem. People want leaders of integrity. We want honest people leading our nation. If the new majority turns a blind eye to the crimes of the Bush regime, then we are complicit in those crimes, accessories after the fact. The crimes were committed against the Constitution and the people of the United States and the rest of the world. It is not up to the new Democratic majority to say, "never mind, it's okay."

And besides, how does the new Congress govern absent a resoration of the Constitution?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:46 PM
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18. It also reinforces the GOP meme that Dems are "soft on crime"
and they'd be right. Clinton was soft on Bush1 which brought us Bush2. Now he's stuck continuing the vicious cycle of CONSTSNTLY having to coverup because of his poor decision in 1993 to close the books for BushInc then.
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