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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:15 PM
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Okay folks, if you want to stop another Lieberman fiasco....
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 12:28 PM by WCGreen
you have to make sure that your state does not, as does Conn, allow for a candidate to essentially run in two nominating elections...

If you choose to de a democrat in the primary, you should not be allowed to then run as an independent...

That is not a party problem, that is an election law problem at the state level...

Work within your state to stop that from happening again....

Repeat, there is nothing the party can do except recommend that the State's pass laws prohibiting the "second" chance clause...

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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:19 PM
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1. Are there any states with such laws currently? (nt)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:28 PM
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2. Here in Ohio....
You can't run in a primary and then file to run as an independent if you lose the primary...

They do that by setting the filing date to run for the general as the primary date and make it illegal for a candidate on the ballot for that primary to turn in petitions for the General...

In essence, the primary is the filing process for the party and the petition is the filing process for those not in a recognized party...
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KellyW Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:35 PM
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3. Yes, many
They are often called 'soreloser laws' In my state, you can not be electied to an office that you lost in the primary. Write-in votes don't count and independent bids must be filed before the primary.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:36 PM
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4. I don't consider the Lieberman race a fiasco
I think it was a HUGE victory that should have sent a lesson to ALL Dems: piss off the progressives in the party at your peril.

You act like Joe did, you'll face a huge primary battle that you might not survive.

THAT my friends is a valuable "big stick" to have in our arsenal for the future. Don't think the insulated DC Dems aren't already patting themselves on the back and planning on business as usual thinking they won this.

With "remember Joe" as a calling card, we WILL be heard.



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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:55 PM
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8. The "Fiasco" was, if you would have carefully read my post...
Alluded to the fact he was able to "lose" a primary election and still run for that seat as an independent...

That, to me, is the "Fiasco"...
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:04 PM
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10. Actually that's a black eye to the "progressives".
By nominating someone who left a big enough hole for Schesinger to walk through in a two-way general, they showed themselves to be almost Green in self-defeatingness.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1291.xml
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:47 PM
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6. Excuse me?
Our opponents bribed Lieberman to circumvent Democratic process. As long as they have deep pockets, it will continue to happen.

But we also can't ignore what our own party did: abandoned Lamont. Every time they have to suck up to smarmy Joe, I hope the nausea chokes them.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:54 PM
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7. I'm not "leiberman obsessed"....
I wish to tell those who are how they can deal with it off the board...

Perhaps you have trouble reading....
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:17 PM
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11. what's obsessive about not wanting
to have a repeat of traitor joe's fvcking over of the dem party?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:56 PM
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9. Tell that to the people who threatened to write in Dean in the 2004 general election.
As soon as the sore loser law shows it's non-ideological nature, you will hear whining.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:36 PM
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14. People are always going to write in candidates....
But fortunatly, the desire to write in a candidate is not always matched with the means...

Even Write In candidates in most states, have to at least register that they will be write in candidates...
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:30 PM
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12. I'm against "Party switching" after being elected
If I want a Republican to win, that person would get my vote; likewise, when I voted for the
democrats, that was my choice, and they used my support and contributions to run on. They are traitors when they switch over to the other party. It simply shouldn't be allowed to just go with the tide......:mad: :eyes: :mad: :eyes: :mad: :eyes:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 03:12 PM
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13. K&R
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:39 PM
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15. Lieberman remains irrelevant until he sides with repugs, then, he makes a difference
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:46 PM
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16. my view is that anyone who can meet the petition requirements to get on the ballot
should be entitled to get on the ballot, whether or not they run in a primary or not.
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Heewack Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:59 PM
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17. Yep. I am for democracy!!!
Democracy won. Like it or not Lieberman was voted in by his consitituents. The real answer to this issue is to run candidates that can win in their given district.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:31 PM
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19. You just gave us an answer
Now, what was the question?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 06:39 AM
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18. I agree. We should help expand the sore loser laws to more states. (nt)
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