Carville's Rage-Filled Attacks on Dean: His Own Idea?

[MannyGoldstein]

James Carville has launched a blizzard of attacks on Howard Dean. Carville claims that although Dean's 50-State Strategy" orchestrated the first Democratic Congressional win after 12 years of DLC control of the DNC, Harold Ford (who lost his own race) could have done far, far better.

Is Carville's attack his own idea? Or is he a proxy for one or both Clintons?

[Donnachaidh]

1. wasn't Carville pretty much a Clinton drone?

After watching him on msnbc election night he really needs to just STFU and get out of the way.

[wakeme2008]

2. He is doing his wife's bidding IMHO nt

[Totally Committed]

3. It's the Clintons pulling his strings...

count on it.

TC

[acmavm]

4. James is trying to clear the way for Hillary in 2008 and he's

going to try to eliminate anyone he thinks may be a problem.

Jimmy needs a job folks.

[hippiechick]

7. ... not to mention keeping the grassroots marginalized ...

... as long as the 'powerful' can stay in power, they're happy to toss crumbs of progressive liberalism to the masses. But when the masses get ideas from folks like Dean, that the gov't really does belong to and serve us, then those masses need to be put back in their place.

There would be alot at stake for the status quo ruling classes if the Dean Movement were to truly take hold across the entire populace.

[hedda_foil]

5. Carville is a hired gun ...

Hired guns by definition do not work on their own. He's well paid to act as a proxy for the Clinton/DLC interests. Remember that Hilary is the head of the DLC this year. They all work together in their own self-interest. Carville is trying to clear the way for a Clinton-annointed DNC chair to do their bidding in '08. Dean isn't interested. Politics is everything to these "strategists." Policy is a tool of politics. They were perfectly willing to be neocons when they thought that would help them politically. Now they're advocating phased withdrawl. But they're at least as concerned with intra-party politics as with Dem-Republican politics.

[God Almighty]

6. Carville is tight with the Clinton's, but he's his own conservative

I don't think anyone can tell him what to say.

[creeksneakers2]

8. Another thread full of conspiracy theories

backed by zero evidence, other than guilt by association and innuendo.

[spooky3]

9. if it looks like a snake, talks like a snake...(nt)

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[hollowdweller]

11. He's unable to satisfy his wife so he's angry and acting out this way

[IndianaGreen]

12. Carville is the Clinton's hatchet man

The Hillaristas know that there is no way Hillary can win the Democratic nomination in a fair and square fight with heavyweights such as Al Gore, Wes Clark, John Kerry, and fresh and exciting new faces like Barak Obama. Hillary's Lieberman-like positions on the war in Iraq are her weakest points. So what are the Hillaristas going to do? For starters they want their own man in charge of the DNC, thus we have Carville's gratuitous attacks on Dean. Who knows what they have planned for phase 2 of their blitz towards the nomination, but we better stay on guard and rally around an anti-Hillary candidate in short order.

[JamesJoyce]

15. Leave it to a GREEN to dictate how Democrats should run things!

You folks cost us the Michigan State Senate!

[IndianaGreen]

16. My Marx avatar should have been a clue to you as to my preferred colour

and it ain't green.

I suppose the personal attack is evidence that you have no response to what I said about Hillary and her minions.

[JamesJoyce]

17. The Marx avatar only furthers the hyperbolic bent to your post

The obesession with the Clintons channels the paranoia of the right-wing!

[IndianaGreen]

18. Au contraire! The rightwing wants us to nominate Hillary.

This is why the corporate "news" media have all but anointed Hillary as the inevitable Democratic nominee.

[PassingFair]

20. Debbie Stabenow's ...

Anti-American, PRO-TORTURE vote and PRO -
GUT THE MIDDLE-CLASS VIA REMOVAL OF BANKRUPTCY
PROTECTION vote is what cost us the Michigan
State Senate, buddy.


I know PLENTY of people who would have voted
a STRAIGHT DEM TICKET if it hadn't been for
her TRAITOROUS VOTES!

A literal HANDFUL of green votes is NOT what
made the difference.

Go sell that junk somewhere else.

[dpbrown]

13. Carville is trying to lay the table for Hillary

Hillary can't win in a climate of populism. She doesn't have the Big Dog's ease with language that would allow her to woo the unwashed masses :sarcasm: so Carville is trying to undo what Dean and the populists have done.

Can't put the genie back in the bottle, James!

[DianeG5385]

14. Something is up, I think the DLC who has long sought primacy over the DNC

feels threatened. I think alot of the nonsense coming out of Carville is designed to benefit the DLC talking points. They are afraid of real democrats and don't want their gig messed with. They and the Pukes are tight and on the same wave length. After all his wife is a puke and he lunches with Newtie. I don't think he or Rahm are the future of the democratic party and they are using puke tactics to intimidate and cow the newly elected progressive anti-war Dems.

[bklyncowgirl]

19. I don't think MR. Clinton had anyth;ing to do with it.

He'd be a lot more subtle. Mrs. Clinton lacks her husband's political skills.

[Imagevision]

21. In any event, Carville moves won't surprise very many, Hil hasn't announced yet and

the word is getting out there, a lot has happened since bill Clinton was nominated, it's called, communications.

[leesa]

22. Carville is a Corporate DLC/GOP handpuppet. Don't think it has much to do

specifically with the Clintons except they are part of the same clan. Dean is a threat to the entire corporate structure.