Has Rahm Emmanuel cleverly maneuvered himself so that if

[KoKo]

Pelosi takes the heat for Murtha that he can step in down the road and save the day? Why would Pelosi not see that there would be questions about Murtha (whether he's being swiftboated or not...the questions are there).

Why would Pelosi put herself in the postion of saying she would clean up the House and her Speakership would preside over the most ethical house in history and then nominate Murtha when CREW already had flagged him, and the ABSCOM thing was waiting in the wings for the MSCorporate media to jump on? This threatens her leadership if he wins or if he goes down.

There was a article that Emmanuel had his eye on the Leadership as the prize for winning the House. I forget which magazine but it was posted here on DU. Shouldn't Pelosi have had more savvy than to get herself into this? How can she get herself out? We don't need to have DLC back in control after they've ignored party building all these years.

:shrug: Any ideas? Mostly wondering the dynamics of how she got herself in this trap.

[oasis]

1. The Clintons need Rahm to network for them behind the scenes. He

can't be bothered with the day-to-day operation of the house. Rahm has bigger fish to fry.

Hillary's WH Chief of Staff.:think:

[bemildred]

2. An alternate POV on this issue:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2615624&mesg_id=2615624

[KoKo]

6. But, what if..

Murtha wins and the media drumbeats "ethics" against him. We know what media can do and that could weaken her. That was why I wondered about her thinking. Didn't she realize that Murtha's problems could come back to haunt her?

[bemildred]

8. The media will be after her ass regardless.

They are still adjusting to the fact that we won, but don't expect fair treatment all of a sudden. I doubt that she thought for even a moment about Murtha's "ethics" problems, or that it would do her any good to. She wants someone she can trust, to crack the whip, and to watch her back.

[sallyseven]

16. Steney would be working behind her back

to get ahead. After all hie is a guy and women should not be in high places.

[OzarkDem]

38. Fight the media now or fight them later

They're going to pull the swift-boat crap no matter who is nominated. And just like in the Clinton years, if they don't have a scandal to use against someone, they'll make something up.

This is a test. We have to draw a line in the sand and get rid of the media double standard for Dems and GOP'ers once and for all.

[Captain Hilts]

3. Because Murtha helped legitimize the anti-war movement. He earned it. nt

[lvx35]

10. Exactly. Murtha is a hat tip to US.

the grassroots, pro-peace left. I for one am grateful.

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[bemildred]

5. Those allegations are not correct.

They come from a dirty campaign in 2002 and are false. He did do civilian services during GWI. He is not a dual citizen.

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[bemildred]

9. Liberty Forum is not neutral.

I'm not fond of Rahm, in fact I don't like him, but as you can read there for yourself he was not an Israeli soldier and he is not an Israeli citizen. He performed civil service in GWI and he once held an Israeli passport, but gave it up.

[God Almighty]

12. He wore an Israeli, not an American uniform. That's the issue.

AIPAC is connected with the Likud Party and peace-loving Jews do not like AIPAC or Likud.

[bemildred]

15. Have a nice day. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

27. I don't say this often but, GOOD JOB!!!! n/t

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. No, it isn't a fucking issue.

You're trying to MAKE it an issue, as fear-mongering smear tactic.

[snowbear]

13. Guys... PLEASE watch what you say. The last time someone.....

... came on here dissing Rham and his Israeli background, it insulted some of our very close DU friends who have very personal ties to Isreal.

Thankfully our on-the-ball moderators saw that those DU'ers were deeply offended, and they locked the thread.

People were actually making fun of Rham because of his heritage - and at the same time.. they were hurting some of our longtime DU'ers in the process.

I'm just sayin'.. DU'ers come from all walks of life, and I myself and HAPPY for that!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. Ya, bigotry offends people.

I'm sad that this is news to some DUers.

[lvx35]

26. Its not a heritage issue

ITs about being tied to closely to a foreign government. If a US politician had served in the French armed forces but not the US forces, it would not be about putting down their french heritage if people tooke issue.

edit: But it is a small thing and all this is redirecting this thread, so I will say no more.

[KoKo]

18. Please don't hi-jack my thread. I'm not talking about Rahm's background

I'm talking about his ambitions.

[snowbear]

25. KoKo.... that comment was not meant for you.. it was primarily for "God Almighty"

I know that you'd never insult a person's background like that..

But "God Almighty" is pushing the envelope big time here and needs to curb his ethnic slurs.

We all know you rock KoKo..

[KoKo]

44. No problem...was going to the "overview" not you...Peace! n/t

[wyldwolf]

32. hey... you're the guy who loves Ron Paul! I remember you now!

[Jim Sagle]

35. Liberty Forum is a Nazi shit site.

Some more quotes from that same page:

Whatever else may have happened on 11/7/06, the Jewish grip on American politics became even tighter.

As if it's needed, but further proof of how the Jewish media will cover for a connected Jew.

Just look at how many Jews there are in Congress and compare that to the number of Jews in the country. Its fucking amazing…………..

And that's not counting cryptos.

Why do you stink up DU with this filth?

[k_jerome]

55. Sing it everyone: Throw the jew down the well...

So my country can be free
You must grab him by his horns
Then we have a big party

-Borat

[hopein08]

28. Bill Clinton wrote in his book that Emmanuel "served" in the Israeli army...

along with being a trained ballet dancer. But that is beside the point.

I think Clinton's book also said that Emmanuel had dual citizenship (at least at the time of his service).

[rinsd]

11. Gee what a shocker

One of the PH kids using a right wing source to smear a Democrat.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. I HEARD HE'S ALSO A JOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

My God, we can't have dual-citizens in our government! NO FOREIGN-BORN PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN GOVERNMENT EVER. ESPECIALLY FAT ONES, PEOPLE WHO EAT BAGELS, OR DRUNKEN COSSACKS.

[bemildred]

17. My Dad was Dual US-Canadian. I guess that's different. nt

[KoKo]

20. Please don't hi-jack my thread with this stuff.....

[bemildred]

23. Sorry, you're right. Should have ignored it. nt

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

24. Request the mods delete the entire subthread.

You have my wholehearted support, and I suspect they'll do it.

[KoKo]

33. As the Original Poster, I agree.....didn't want "strategy" post subverted to

and "I/P Issue." Thanks! :hi:

[Jim Sagle]

47. Omigod, whuddaweegonna DOOOOOOOO????

Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:thumbsup:

[wyldwolf]

31. not at all.

Say, looking at your avatar -- did Kucinich fight in the army?

[greeneggs708]

21. My Idea

Get rid of the Emmanual obssessed. Round them up with the Lieberman obssessed.

Can we have a board just for these two camps so the rest of us don't fall asleep.

Can't you go pick up trash on the side of the road, or go empty bedpans.

You have way too much time on your hand.

I am so scared. Rahm Emmanuel may get elected something.

[AtomicKitten]

29. I share your nonplussed response to this

and really don't give a rat's ass about this in-party sharpening of elbows and jostling. It's all a puppet show in my opinion. But damn if the gossip doesn't fly around here.

[KoKo]

34. Yes...but the "gossip" is what's lost us elections and brought down

any Dem actions in the past. If we don't get on top of the "gossip" then we are "dead in the water" once again. Don't you see this? :shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

37. ***

IMO which is as always in the minority in this nuthouse is that it's just inner-party jostling for dominance. It's nothing new; it just seems that way because of all the NOISE. People are taking sides just like they did in junior high school in interactions that are far removed from their sphere of knowledge and influence. I tend to refrain from getting my kickers in a twist over stuff I have no control over, but that's me.

[KoKo]

45. True...getting "knickers in knot" might be what we Dems who've watched

since 2000 Selection, do. Taking a deep breath and not expecting too much might be the order of the day.. I get what you say...but still worry about Pelosi going down because of a move she made that will turn out badly for her in the end...where "others" will move in for the kill. Didn't understand why she wasn't more savvy given that we Netroots are trying our best to "Clue our Dems Into the New Age." :shrug:

[wyldwolf]

30. Lieberman/Emanuel 2008!!! LOL!

The Netroot's Worst Nightmare!

[KoKo]

36. You would support this? Or, are you just being "Devil's Advocate" to

rile up us "Truth to Power" folks. :shrug:

It did seem a kind of "fly by" cruel post for a person who posts on a site called "Democratic Underground" ...if you get my drift...

[Jim Sagle]

39. Wyldwolf is a MILITANT DLCer.

A ticket like that, of course, wouldn't carry five states. But the DLC wouldn't care; they're not about enabling Dems, they're about policing them.

[KoKo]

40. Okay...I suspected that....but got it! Riding to Armageddon...

or "who's Ox is gored," is the best feast for all...I guess.

[wyldwolf]

43. Jim Sagle is a RADICAL leftist

A ticket like he would support wouldn't carry any state. But the left wouldn't care. They're not about enabling Dems, they're about purging them.

Wait, I know...something about RAAAAWWWWKKKKSS and SUUUXXXXXX!

[Jim Sagle]

46. Then you know how wrong your characterization is.

[wyldwolf]

48. I know how correct it is.

[Jim Sagle]

50. As correct as all the other shit you post.

[KoKo]

52. Well.....some folks are working hard to get my post locked....and I plead

again to please not do this. My post asked about Dem Strategy...could you guys do this on PM's rather than here? :shrug:

Arguing on threads turns folks off and get's the Mods looking. I did an honest post not looking for whatever Rahm was in his early life. Asking about how Pelosi put "her foot in it and how she could extract it and why she got into this in the first place" and I get folks going into past battles and "I/P Forum" stuff.

I just want to know why Pelosi did what she did...other views..

Is that too much to ask?

[wyldwolf]

54. ok. You're right. Sorry.

[Jim Sagle]

56. I'm sorry.

[wyldwolf]

53. Emanuel (ahem!) RAAAAWWWKKKKSSS!

The far left SUUUUUUUXXXXX!

Isn't that the language you understand?

[wyldwolf]

41. Devil's Advocate

[KoKo]

42. Okay...throwing a "Peace Bone" to ya! n/t

[INdemo]

49. The Repukes try and make an issue about Murtha and

the corporate media runs with it and we're off .....Republican propaganda at its best......I wanna see a majority leader in there that has the balls to tell a Repuke where to go when they start whinning and trying all those political moves to block legislation etc.. Does anyone think the Repukes are gonna sit back and give these yes sir,no sir thats fine madam Speaker,..They are going to fight us every step of the way and try to make this congress look like a do nothing congress every chance they get..So......lets get on with it
and the Hell with the Repukes and their propaganda.

[KoKo]

51. Agree! Dem Majority leader with BALLS...it's been awhile hasn't it..

Let's see how Pelosi deals with this. If Murtha wins can both overcome the Media "Ethics Wars" over his past ...and when you compare Murthat to the DeLay/Abramoff and the Rest...he kind of "pales" in comparison. But, the MSCorporate Media will paint Pelosi and Murtha if he wins with the same brush and the same color paint even though there's a huge difference.

Wouldn't it have been Great if the MSM had scrutinized DeLay and the rest of the Repug/Bushco Crime family like they do our Dems. But, that's why we have to be "cleaner and more Truthie." It's why we have to "anticipate" what will be thrown on our heads. Because the "deck is stacked" against us for DECADES!