NY Times on Murtha...

[k_jerome]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/washington/02murtha.html?ei=5090&en=0f6ac767e3885818&ex=1317441600&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

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In one case that particularly irked Democratic partisans, Mr. Murtha led three others in voting against a politically vulnerable Louisiana Democrat’s proposal to divert money intended to be spent on base closings to research prosthetic limbs for veterans. It failed by one vote.

For their “nays” on that and other matters, all four Democrats were rewarded. In the weeks after the vote, they claimed credit for a total of more than $250 million in earmarks in the 2006 appropriations bills. Mr. Murtha alone brought home about $80 million for his district and $120 million for his state, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan group that tracks such projects.

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he consistently opposes ethics reform or disclosure requirements,

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He has sided with Republicans 169 times on close votes since 1994, more often than all but three of the most conservative Democrats.

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Dick Armey, a former Republican majority leader, said his party’s strategists would often tell him, “Murtha will get us some votes.”

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No thanks.

[MethuenProgressive]

1. I'll back Pelosi - not the NYT

MSM could type up a similar hit job piece on any member of congress. Murtha's just the flavor of the day, and they're piling on.

[k_jerome]

2. do you mean you will back Pelosi's support of Murtha...

regardless of his views or record?

[SharonAnn]

5. Yes. She deserves to have who she wants. If she can't make it work

then she'll fail. If she's forced to work with someone and that person concentrates on undercutting here, like Hoyer would, then we all fail.

I ant her to have what she thinks she needs.

I want her to be very successful on our behalf.

[k_jerome]

7. point taken .nt.

[durrrty libby]

14. I agree. I have faith in Pelosi. If she wants Murtha, she must have

her reasons

I want her to be successful, especially early on

GO Nancy!

:dem: :dem:

[Tellurian]

16. Yep, I'm with you!

The swiftys on this board have been exposed for what they really are....operatives!

ALL LIES. all day long!

[bemildred]

3. The more they smear him, the more I know Pelosi did right. nt

[k_jerome]

4. no comments on his social views or voting record?...never mind. nt.

[bemildred]

6. I am well aware of his social views and record.

I am aware of the NYT's social views and record too.
They are not dredging up all this mud about Murtha out
of high-minded public spirit. It's a political smear campaign.

[k_jerome]

8. so, no problem with him, he's just being smeared? ok. nt.

[bemildred]

9. Pretty much, yeah. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Pray Tell-What's Wrong With The New York Times Social Views

They had the balls to publish gay marriage announcements and treat them no differently than heterosexual wedding announcements...

What other major paper does that?

The L A Times

The Washington Post..

I don't think so...

The assertion embodied in your statement is the New York Times opposes John Murtha because of his social views.

Maybe you can elaborate on the social views the publishers of the New York Times have and why you don't like them or the social views John Murtha has and why you like them.

[LiberalArkie]

10. I am waiting to see if the report I read that Pelosi wants to have a

real ethics policy in the house takes place. I want to see if it passes. If it does take place then I feel that there is hope, if not then there is no difference in the hypocrites.

[k_jerome]

11. she supports Murtha. not a good start. nt.

[EST]

12. Without reviewing each bill on which he voted, the

"voted with so-and-so" however many times means precisely zilch.
If a bill contains a "poison pill" such as the publiclowns connecting the minimum wage bill with a permanent rollback of inheritance taxes, then a "no" vote is the only answer. Expect devious people to quote it and pretend it's a bad thing.

I don't like either Hoyer or Murtha for the post, but, given a choice, I pick Murtha.

Any story which uses such terms an "democratic partisans" isn't worth the reading. It's a hit piece-an agenda.

[INdemo]

13. It would be best to check these facts before judging Martha

just because the NYT prints it is doesn't mean the facts are 100% correct..Republican propaganda can take on many disguises.
Republicans just cant stand the fact they lost and the bullsh*t is just beginning........

[k_jerome]

15. fact: anti choice, right wing Democrat...

I'll take a progressive over him any day.

[INdemo]

17. Well what do you know about Hoyer?

You dont think he would be a Republican kiss ass?Repukes dont want Murtha because he has the ability to get legislation through and for this reason (one of many) the Reoukes dont want him in any kind of leadership post. Like I said check out Martha's record and find his side of the story before believing Republican propaganda..

[k_jerome]

18. i know Hoyers stance on issues. apparently it is not important to many...

here.

[mucifer]

19. so people here are ok with duke cunningham or delay or other repubs to

be investigated and tried but not murtha?

[k_jerome]

20. i don't believe Murtha has violated any rules or laws. nt.

[INdemo]

21. He hasn't

But what amazes me is that is was ok to have Tom Delay as majority leader who was/is is most corrupt individual to step into the House of Representatives and yet they want to criticize Murtha because he was able to get some "pork" money for his state.

[k_jerome]

23. I am criticizing Murtha because he is a right winger. nt.

[PassingFair]

26. I heard he uses fragrant soaps, and once had

acupuncture.

*crazy*

[k_jerome]

27. i heard he is anti-choice and an NRA darling...

cool.

[Thrill]

22. So explain something then?

Why are the moderate Democrats backing the more liberal Hoyer?

[k_jerome]

24. please tell me who you are talking about...

so I can give an informed response.

[Amused Musings]

25. I think

Murtha would be a strong and credible character to get the US out of Iraq sooner rather than later. But the problem is is that he appears to be on shaky grounds when it comes to ethics. Not a particularly good message to send out after 12 years of republicanism. It may also hurt the party because third parties may gain ground in the sense that people think, to paraphrase The Who, the new boss is same as the old boss.

I dare say I am a bit torn on this one.

[k_jerome]

28. i'm torn over his whole denying women their...

rights. weird.

[PassingFair]

41. Could you please cite the last vote in which he

"denied women their rights".

Thanking you in advance.

[k_jerome]

42. ...

Voted YES on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. I Must Be In The Fucking Twilight Zone...

The New York Times is now our enemy....

The newspaper that didn't endorse one Republican this year is now our enemy...

The newspaper that has endorsed every Democratic presidential candidate since I don't know when is now our enemy...

The newspaper that defended Kerry from the Swift Boat attacks and uncovered the political web behind it is now our enemy...

The newspaper that brought the infamous DemocRAT ad from the 2000 election to our attention is now our enemy...

The newspaper whose presidential reporter, Adam Clymer, was called a major league asshole by George Bush is now our enemy...

This is unfuckingbelievable...

[k_jerome]

31. yes, we need to personally check everything they write...

about a right winger.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. The Republicans Hate The New York Times With A Passion.

It's the most consistently liberal major newspaper in the United States...

Why do you think Sean Insanity, O'Really, and Limpbaugh attack it so vociferously.

[k_jerome]

33. well, they are simply smearing Murtha...

he is really a progressive you know. :sarcasm:

[Clarkie1]

34. My vote would be for Hoyer, DEFINITELY. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I Think In The Name Of Party Comity A Third Candidate Should Emerge

But what do I know...

[Imagevision]

36. Murtha started the whole get out of Iraq thing, everyone else jumped on HIS bandwagon

I'll go with Jack...

[k_jerome]

37. thats what you're getting. nt.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Didn't A Majority Of Democratic House Members Vote Against The IWR

while Murtha voted for it....

[primative1]

39. You are Completly Incorrect ...

The numbers who came out against "stay the course" are huge.
Many opposed the invasion from the start.
But only Mr Murtha was presented as being credible by our media.
Hmmm ...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Don't Confuse People With The Facts

Murtha was part of a minority of House Dems who voted for the IWR...