James Carville, You Are With Us Or Against Us

[KingOfLostSouls]

I'm not going to play nice about this. I was a Dean supporter for his presidential run, I support him as chairman of the DNC, and I support his 50 state strategy. Howard Dean has proven himself to be a man of conviction, of vision, and of dedication to the american people. A man who wants equal opportunity for ALL americans, even the ones who may note vote democratic. Equal access to health care, to our right to vote, to education, and to honest dialogue and debate.

as the head of the DNC, Howard Dean brought hope to people all over the 50 states, and brought victory after victory to our party this past election cycle, as well as reaching out to moderates and dissatisfied voters to bring them into the fold of America's political party. Howard Dean gave us back something that was missing: hope.

Howard Dean has proven his worth and his value time and time again, sacrificing going back to spending his time with his own family to dedicate his life to this country. EVERY American citizen owes Dr Howard Dean a thank you for his tireless work for this country and his goal to ensure a right to vote for everyone, and equal opportunity and supporting candidates who feel the same.

James Carville, you are either with us...or against us. and when I say "Us" I mean quite literally, "WE THE PEOPLE."

[Greeby]

1. Mr Carville

Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists (in the White House)

[JamesJoyce]

2. Paraphrasing Bush, are we?

nt

[KingOfLostSouls]

4. I have no problem

sticking it right back in the face of b*sh enablers.


after all, b*sh and his enablers showed us just how "bipartisan" they plan to be this past week by tossing the bolton nomination back up.

carville is entitled to his opinion, just as he's entitled to slap an (R) next to his name if he wants to attack the democratic party time and time again when it doesn't follow the b*sh party line.


theres no shame in calling a spade a spade.

[BootinUp]

7. Did I miss something

on the Bolton nomination? Last i heard it was dead.

[ret5hd]

3. He's against us, I'm telling you...

He's against us all the way. He and his consulting firm has worked for the opposition to Chavez in Venezueal, the opposition to Morales in Bolivia, he has personally assisted the repugs (thru phone calls to his wife) in defeating Gore, etc etc etc.

He is scum. He is a neo-con. Money is his god. Turn your back to him.

[Broken Top]

15. He's Against Us

I heard Carville today on Situation Room bashing Governor Dean
and claiming he left $6 million on the table rather than help
all the candidates.  I don't know about that, but I can tell
you we made more progress this time than in the last 3
elections which were blatantly stolen and the Democrats simply
looked stupidly at the returns and crept back under the rugs.
Carville is from the right wing Democratic Leadership Council
who are really Republicans masquerading as Democrats. They
should all have R's stamped on their foreheads. 
The Dem strategies since 1998 have not worked and with
Doctor/Governor Dean at the helm of the DNC we had success
this year!  So, Carville, shut up and go into another line of
work. You're tiresome.  

[LittleClarkie]

19. Holy crap, he sounds like Donna Brazille right after the 2004 election

attacking Kerry for what he supposedly left on the table.

I wonder if Donna and Carville hang together. They apparently read from the same playbook.

[k_jerome]

5. please define us. I'm sure James will answer...

when he knows who you are.

[cadmium]

6. Carville is playing a role

These attacks by the Bush/Clinton alliance are getting monotonous and easily recognizable. They are Carville vs Dean, the MSM and the Clintonists attacking John Kerry's efforts on behalf on Democrats, then echoing the Republican fake outrage over his remarks to college students, and now the widespread attacks are launched on Jack Murtha. They take a couple facts or comments out of context blow them up -- get them out to every news media outlet and blog and set up these echoing attacks to get undermine rivals.

Does anyone have any pictures of Clinton kissing Bush like Liebermann did?

[life_long_dem]

8. Maybe Carville's evil wife told him to slam Howard Dean or else he

would have to have sex with her. Yuk...
Can you blame him for doing it?

[cadmium]

21. ha ha. They both must have to struggle. Her speech

sounds slurred to me sometimes.

[BootinUp]

9. No question

its a battle for leadership of the party, but whats unusual about that? People have honest differences on how to proceed.

[cadmium]

22. If an operative like Carville can slam a successful chairman

the day after a big victory certainly Dean's supporters have every right to slam him back. He says Dean failed and I say he sounds like a resentful embittered hack that really wishes that Dean had failed. If this is how he responds to Democratic success it sounds like he was hoping for failure.

[hollowdweller]

10. I lost respect for him when he married that abrasive Republican lady

Obviously he has been unable to satisfy her because she remains a Republican and he's leaning right.

[DaveinMD]

11. you don't have to support Howard Dean

to be a good Democrat. This with us or against us stuff is bad in foreign policy and bad in party building too.

[k_jerome]

12. yeah, but it makes Clinton bashing easier. nt.

[nznow]

14. Carville wanted all the money spent in touch screen areas. Fact.

Is it any wonder Dean might think the money would be better spent elsewhere?
What was Carville about and what is he up to now. We won bigger than any projections suggested. Why was Rove so sure they would win? Think about it.

[k_jerome]

16. yeah. he was helping to fix the elections. nt.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

18. And deservedly so

The Clinton-Carville axis is doing grievous damage to our unity and our policy beliefs as a party. Those people aren't in it for our party-- they're in it for their own ambition, using the party as nothing more than a platform for their own aggrandizement, at our expense.

[NashVegas]

25. No, But You Shouldn't Bash Him, for Crying Out Loud

Carville and company are the ones who are attacking party unity, not Dean supporters.

[KingOfLostSouls]

13. the point is simple

for the past how many years we've heard it all. we hate america. we're socialists. we're in league with the terrorists. liberals hate this country. blah blah blah. etc etc.

along comes howard dean and people like russ feingold or keith olbermann who make us want to be proud to be democrats again and who show us what leadership is about. and then comes james carville saying we shouldn't support that.

we can have differing views on things but theres a track record here. james carville and his ilk's way does NOT win. howard dean's does. howard dean and those of us who believe in this party believe in standing up for ourselves and our values. james carville and his type believe that to be good democrats we should follow a policy of capitulation and appeasement towards the GOP, who meanwhile enjoy nothing more than curbstomping us. just look at the situation with kent conrad and congress today. appeasement and capitulation towards the party of bush, phelps, and abramoff get us nothing but more losses.

and here comes james carville, by attacking dean and his message of standing up for ourselves, is saying we should be ashamed of that.

I say its time for james carville to move along to where he belongs.

[wisteria]

17. He is against us. Why, because he can't control us or our message. n/t

[KingOfLostSouls]

20. I'm proud to be a democrat

I'm proud of my party, I'm proud of what we stand for. equality, fairness, and decency.

james carville wants us to apologize to the republicans for what we, the so called "fringe base" stand for.


I will not apologize for it, and neither will dr howard dean and neither should you or any of us.


james carville should apologize for insulting what it means to be a democrat.

the last time I checked, I feel no shame for wanting equal access to voting for ALL americans, for equal access to health care for ALL americans, for equal access to education for ALL americans, and to have a foreign policy based on sanity instead of idiocy. if james carville says I, or ANY of us who support the democratic party and dr dean for this should apologize, then I say james carville will be waiting till hell freezes over to drag an apology out of me over being proud of standing up for equality while he and others were busy sitting down.


you can pry my apology for standing up for real american values from my cold dead hand, james carville.

[Awsi Dooger]

23. I support Dean as chair but I understand Carville's frustration

The national vote margin we amassed last Tuesday should have equated to more net House seats. I don't see how that can be argued or denied. I never expected high 20s, but in looking at our numbers among independents and Hispanics and young voters and contrasting them to previous elections the mathematical models indicate we underachieved.

Carville mentioned Tessa Hafen (NV-3) specifically yesterday, among three he identified. I followed that race firsthand and it absolutely was a senseless defeat, not enough early cash to offset Jon Porter's disgraceful implication that Hafen was a carpetbagger.

Actually, there was a natural conflict this cycle so the rifts are understandable. Dean wants to build everywhere. Rahm initially intended to target merely 20-25 specific seats. In retrospect the highest net from this cycle would probably have been somewhere in between, anticipating the wave potential and isolating perhaps 60-70 seats, and early, instead of trying to rescue too many of the late developing districts in the final weeks.

A second term midterm is the most favorable terrain imaginable, one Carville faced from the other end in '98 with historic results. I hardly blame him for being greedy and frustrated. In sporting events it's very obvious when a team wins big, yet the margin should have been even more decisive. That is not as evident in politics, not even close.

Frankly, until Carville spoke up I was a bit annoyed the other way, that so many party leaders were gleeful at takeover and failing to appreciate the seats that were left on the table. It's not like we can automatically reproduce a scenario like this in '08 and pick off the districts that were narrowly lost this time. A 1 point House defeat this time, on average, is probably closer to a 5 point margin in a presidential year in '08.

[mrgorth]

24. This is going to bite them in the arse

if he keeps trashing Dean and then pushes for Hillary in '08 she will get 0 grassroots support, even if she wins the primary.