Who is cooler, Lieberman or Murtha?

[LoZoccolo]

You've gotta pick one. You've gotta pick one!

Lieberman has a 75% NARAL rating: http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/choice-action-center/in-congress/congressional-record-on-choice/state.html?state=CT

Murtha has a 0% NARAL rating: http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/choice-action-center/in-congress/congressional-record-on-choice/state.html?state=PA

_{NOTE: This thread has a point.}

[JI7]

1. Nancy Pelosi is the coolest

[k_jerome]

2. Murtha is totally uncool. nt.

[ProSense]

3. Pro-choice + pro war =

2,859 dead soldiers and 650,000 dead Iraqis!

[k_jerome]

5. what does...

antiwar + anti minority + homophobe =

[ProSense]

7. Hint:

it doesn't equal 2,859 dead soldiers and 650,000 dead Iraqis!

As a minority, I know the difference between BS and reality!

[k_jerome]

9. you certainly don't know the difference...

between an unethical right winger and a good progressive Democrat.

By the way, Murtha voted for the war, before he became the mass media anti-war darling. He's gotta love all this attention. Make up for ABSCAM.

[ProSense]

10. Nonsense!

Caught on tape turning down a bribe 26 years ago. ABSCAM is BS!

Lieberman is a disgrace!

[k_jerome]

11. I'm not a big Lieberman fan....

he is better than "short on ethics" Murtha

[ProSense]

12. Lieberman's ethics, supporting an illegal war! Please!

Twenty-six years ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2725397&mesg_id=2725397

[k_jerome]

14. supporting an illegal war is not good....

supporting discrimination against minorities and gays and supporting the denial of reproductive rights to women is worse.

[ProSense]

15. Supporting an illegal war

is despicable!

[k_jerome]

16. I will concede that point...

rejecting reproductive rights, affirmative action and gay rights is reprehensible.

[ProSense]

17. Also, considering the original positions each held,

Murtha who took a step in the right direction, but Lieberman took a leap in the wrong direction!

[k_jerome]

19. well, I will reject the reich winger, while some will accept him...

we will have to agree to disagree.

He is much like Pat Buchanan, except Pat rejected the war from the beginning. Similar social views.

[ProSense]

20. Seems to me, Joe turned out to be the neocon! n/t

[primative1]

23. 26 Years ago Doesnt Work As a Defense ...

I think thats what annoys me most about this episode.
The date, 1979.
That is the year when I, as a 18 year old punk ran afoul of the law and came away with some rather minor convictions.
What that has done for me?
Well basically nothing until 2001.
Now, in our loveable society, I can no longer get over the table work at Wal Mart, Home Depot or any other place that pays via an actual paycheck through our choicepoint system of checks and balances.
I f*cked up 26 years ago and society says I should be forever banished.
So lets see ... at that exact time Jack Murtha was doing what?

[AIJ Alom]

4. Rather have Murtha on my side than Joe Lieberman on theres.

[Hippo_Tron]

6. Rhetorical threads with polls in them are so not cool

But since the bait was thrown out there I'll bite. Murtha is better than Lieberman. I care a lot about a woman's right to choose but frankly I have to look out for myself before I can look out for others. Looking out for myself means ending this war so that I don't get drafted.

Likewise, I can fully understand women saying that Lieberman is better because they have to look out for their rights before they look out for anyone else's.

But since we're on the subject, which one of these two is attempting to gain leverage on us by keeping the option of bolting to the party that is both pro-war and anti-choice? At least Murtha is a team player who is 100% loyal to the pro-choice and pro occupation ending team.

[Kiouni]

8. The lesser of two evils=

waiting on the next elections

[MADem]

13. I don't understand the construct. Why not ask which is cooler, apple or orange?

One is a Senator, the other a Representative. They aren't from the same state, even. If you want to compare their RECORDS, here's the place to get a good idea of what each is about, beyond their NARAL ratings:

http://www.ontheissues.org/PA/John_Murtha.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Joseph_Lieberman.htm


John Murtha is a Moderate Populist...........................Joseph Lieberman is a Moderate Liberal

[lapfog_1]

18. You have a future ahead of you as a "push poller"

The repukes love to use these types of polls...

"Do you like candidate A who loves to kill kittens or would you prefer candidate B who is a founding member of PETA?"

[leesa]

21. Lieberman is simply garbage.

[KKKarl is an idiot]

22. Not an easy choice

But had to go with Murtha. Lieberman lost his primary & decided to run as an independent. Murtha would nor have done that. Then he forced some of he democratic leadership to support him as an independent because they knew he would win. He also had the repubs support him to ensure a win. But he now has lined with the democratic party because we promised him he would get his seniority back. He still promotes the stupid war. If it came down to vote on withdrawing troops he will line with the repubs. Then we would have to get Cheney to pass a deciding vote. We all know how that is going to go. Murtha stands up for what he believes in. He may be pro-life but he is not a sleaze-ball like Lieberman. That makes all the difference.

[LoZoccolo]

24. So far it's the woman-hater pushing out the war-monger almost 3-to-1! n/t