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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:43 PM
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Help me convince my husband re. Rahm/Pelosi.
My husband and I started talking about politics tonight and Rahm came up and how just oh-so-great he is. I told my husband Pelosi is responsible for the win, not Rahm. I showed him a counterpunch article stating how Rahm only had 8 of his candidates win. My husband asked where the proof was. I explained all I had heard, on the radio lately, was that Pelosi worked hard picking out candidates for each district and she deserved her new position for leading the Dems to victory.

Hubby said he never heard any of that and I went to work trying to find a link to these things even though I am positive the latter one I heard on maybe Air America or NPR. When I use "the Google" I get mostly hits about choosing Murtha as a candidate, NOT helping choose candidates that are just right for each district. Hubby and I both searching can not come up with an actual article, rather than a blog, giving stats on Rahm. I am at my wit's end and now hubby and I are starting to bark at each other over it. Please help me find this information, I know it has to be out there. Thanks!
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:47 PM
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1. it wasn't an either or
Rahm deserves much credit as did Pelosi. They are a good team and he was her choice for the post. Why must we choose. Makes no sense to me.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:22 PM
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12. We must choose because we are DUers and we need a good guy and a bad guy
:sarcasm: I can't stand these pissing matches anymore.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:31 PM
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14. For me it is not about good guys/bad guys.
Something I said my husband took the wrong way and he started to get upset at me. Then I sort of reacted the same way back at him. We were best friends for 15 years before we even started dating and we hardly ever disagree on anything. The last time he reacted like this I replied that I am sorry he had a bad day. He immediately snapped out of it and kissed me. The issue was not a big thing, it was more his reaction and I just wanted to resolve it. I chose the wrong way and I realize that now. I should have resolved it with love again. Lesson learned.

I have been hanging out at a lot of the smaller forums because of exactly what you talk about. I used to spend a ton of time at GD but hardly even frequent that section any more because of all of the disagreements.

C'est la vie.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:50 PM
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2. Personally I am not big on "CounterPunch" as a source
And I say that regardless of the merits or non-merits of Rahm Emmanuel. Just in general they seem to be real negative about Democrats.

As far as I can tell, they don't seem to like any Democrats, and I would be real suprised to see them say anything positive about Nancy Pelosi.

JMHO. Good luck with your discussion w your husband.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:53 PM
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3. Counterpunch? That might be shaky to rely on far as I'm concerned!
Edited on Thu Nov-16-06 10:56 PM by FrenchieCat
I don't think Pelosi had so much to do with choosing candidates.

I think what she did that was helpful was provide guidance to those running on how to handle the Iraq issue. Basically, the plan was only to say that 2006 was a year of transition...something neutral enough to keep the media from dividing Democrats up into factions and then playing them up one against the other and making New candidates running having to answer which side where they on. The plan was solely to be on the other side of Bush's stance, period.

Both Pelosi and Reid deserve credit for that one......The New Direction election plan.........which was ambigious but kept the press at bay. If you know the press, part of the job these days is knowing how the handle them and keeping them under control.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:01 PM
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5. Counterpunch was only about Rahm.
And as I said, I was looking for stats to back it up either right or wrong. But the Pelosi stuff I am almost positive I heard on NPR but it could have been AAR.If I am wrong, that is fine but I feel like a dog trying to catch it's tail trying to find definitive evidence either way.

Usually I would say it is all opinion but the 8 wins out of 28 candidates he allegedly pushed is real proof. I am just looking to see if that is true or not. Even going to the losers web sites I do not see Rahm mentioned in the sampling I looked at.

It also bugs me that he buys into how bad Murtha is. Murtha isn't the only one with skeletons in his closet. And I am not saying I back Murtha since he is not pro-choice.

It is just so frustrating to try and find certain info and you come up with so many results that are NOT what you are looking for. Thanks for letting me vent.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:07 PM
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7. No problem........
But know that the Bottomline is we now hold the power....and the discussion should be what will we do with it? That might be a more constructive conversation to have, IMHO.

My hubby and I don't agree on much in the realm of politics either. So we just make love, not war and only discuss politics AFTER, not before!

Good Luck!
:hi:
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:11 PM
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9. Well most of the time we totally agree on things.
He told me, the other day, he used to consider himself a rabid Democrat until he met me! That is part of the reason why this is so frustrating. It is also frustrating because he hangs out at a place that is very freeper like and sometimes he gets his information there. Most of the time I just provide him with a counter point and a link and that is it. In fact most of the time when he is fight them, he turns to me for information so I can prove his point for him.

I know the fight is yet to start and thanks for the reminder.

As for the love and not war, I wouldn't be worried about us skipping that tonight! ;)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 10:55 PM
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4. Counterpunch is garbage. And Rahm's candidates were in deep red states
but the Dem candidates came very close while the money he pumped into those races forced the GOP to abandon other races where other Dems won.

So why not get some info FIRST before trying to tell your husband anything?
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:07 PM
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8. Well I did have the information I heard on the radio.
I usually just do not speak out of my ass. Yes, there are times I think I know something when I do not. With all of the information I get in a day, it is a wonder I can keep any of the sources straight. I usually start my day with a quick glance of DU before driving the kids to school. I listen to NPR on the way there and back twice during the day (40 minutes each way times four) Then, when I am at home during the day I listen to AAR while I do housework. Later in the afternoon I read DU as well as when the kids go to bed. I probably listen to/read news or political content about 6-7 hours a day. I am by no means uninformed. When I went to Google some of the things I had heard counterpunch was just one site that came up. The rest were mostly regular old blogs. None of this all gives proof of anything....thus why I am here. I am sorry if I bothered you and I really do not try to be full of hot air when talking with my husband.
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:01 PM
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6. You two should settle it with wrestling.
2 out of 3 falls, no holes barred, Roman-Greco Wrestling.

Seriously, turn off the 'puters, put on your jammies, and do some snuggling. This shit ain't worth fighting over.

That's what DU is for !

:toast:
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:13 PM
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10. 4morewars.....
how can I turn of the 'puter when Jon is on????? Yeah, it truly is not worth fighting over. Thanks for the perspective.
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:21 PM
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11. You're welcome.
It works for us, the wrestling, that is! ;)

peace.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:23 PM
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13. This may help...
"As a member of the Ways and Means Committee, Emanuel teamed with Senate campaign chair Chuck Schumer to tap uncharted donor fields in the financial industry. 'We're working outside of traditional banks,' he says proudly, 'into the private-equity world, the hedge-fund world, the distressed-debt world.' These 'worlds' know they are talking to a guy who not only runs the campaign committee, but who could be in the majority of the key financial committee—and maybe even majority leader."

http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=BC523D07-E0C3-F08F-99C624DA8075DD01

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Democrats have won back the House. Rahm Emanuel, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), nearly tripped over himself on the way to the microphone to claim the credit. In fact, while the tidal wave in the House looks like a bit of strategic genius by Emanuel--and pundits are starting to call it that way (Howard Fineman on MSNBC noted that the Democrats even picked up a seat in Kentucky, where the 3rd District candidate was John Yarmuth--"Emanuel's fourth choice!" Fineman exclaimed, as if in awe of the power possessed by Emanuel's mere table scraps)--in race after race, it actually represents the apotheosis of forces Emanuel has doubted all long: the netroots.
In two competitive House races in the Bluegrass State, Emanuel's first choices lost by 9 and 12 points. In the 2nd District it was Colonel Mike Weaver, the cofounder of Commonwealth Democrats, a group of conservative Democratic state legislators. In the 4th, it was Ken Lucas, a former congressman whom Robert Novak recently called "moderate conservative" in a column Emanuel's "recruiting coup" in coaxing Lucas out of retirement. Both were the kind of candidates Emanuel has favored in his famous nationwide recruiting drive. Yarmuth, meanwhile, was founder of the state's first alternative newspaper, said things on the campaign trail things like "the No Child Left Behind Act ... is a plan deliberately constructed to create 'failing' schools," and called for "a universal health care system in which every citizen has health insurance independent of his or her employment."

It was a pattern repeated across the country. New Hampshire's 1st District delivered Carol Shea-Porter, a former social worker who got kicked out of a 2005 Presidential appearance for wearing a T-shirt that said turn your back on bush. That might have been her fifteen minutes of fame--if, last night, she hadn't defeated two-term Republican incumbent Jeb Bradley. For the chance to face him, however, she had to win a primary against the DCCC's preferred candidate, Jim Craig--whom Rahm Emanuel liked to much he had the unusual move of contributing $5000 to his primary campaign. Shea-Porter dominated Craig by 20 points--and then was shut out by the DCCC for general election funds.

Not all Emanuel's losing recruits were beaten in primaries. Some were beaten in the general election. Christine Jennings, a banker and former Republican gunning for Katherine Harris's former House seat lost in a squeaker to conservative Republican Vern Buchanan. Dan Seals, a black moderate in the Barack Obama mold who criticized the Democratic Party even in speeches to Democratic crowds, lost to the Republican incumbent in Emanuel's backyard, Illinois's 10th District--as did the DCCC's most talked-about recruit, Tammy Duckworth of Illinois's 6th. Emanuel poured as astonishing $3 million into her campaign. It bought her a four-point defeat. Activists say the money would have been better spent on all the promising candidates to whom Rahm wouldn't give the time of day.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/11/8/13534/5744
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