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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:43 PM
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Anyone see Tweety on CNBCs Deutsch show predicting the tickets will be Hillary-Vilsack
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 12:50 PM by blm
vs McCain - Barbour, and that is what DC insiders are expecting already?

It was last night's show.

BTW - both Tweety and Deutsh labeled those politicians and media who pushed the "Kerry insulted the troops' storyline as "LIARS" and any time media gets called out for lying WITH the GOP it is always a good sign to me.


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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:44 PM
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1. As in Hillary vs. Vilsack for the nomination or a Hillary-Vilsack ticket?
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 12:54 PM by liberalpragmatist
Sounds like a ticket to snore-ville.

I'd put more credence into what DC insiders think for the Republican nomination, because Republicans tend to nominate someone from the establishment and the person insiders coalesce around. Democrats, OTOH, virtually NEVER nominate the person insiders think they will 2 years out.

For example...

1960 - Hubert Humphrey; actual nominee: JFK
1968 - LBJ; actual nominee: Hubert Humphrey
1972 - Ed Muskie; actual nominee: George McGovern
1976 - No clear frontrunner, perhaps Scoop Jackson?: actual nominee: Jimmy Carter
1984 - John Glenn; actual nominee: Walter Mondale
1988 - Gary Hart, then Ted Kennedy, then Mario Cuomo; actual nominee: Michael Dukakis
1992 - Mario Cuomo; actual nominee: Bill Clinton
2000 - Al Gore (actual nominee)
2004 - Al Gore, then Howard Dean; actual nominee: John Kerry
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:50 PM
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8. Yes, other than Gore, Dem frontrunners never win the nomination.
I hope that holds true with Hillary.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 01:22 PM
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10. Gore was the VP and it was considered his for the asking
I liked my Senator (Bradley), but it was pretty clear that, given the excellent job Gore had done as VP - a job where it is hard to do much of anything, Gore was thought to have earned it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:51 PM
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9. tickets is clearer - I editted it.
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 12:55 PM by blm
thanks and I agree with what you posted. Most Dem voters end up casting their votes for whoever they feel dominated the series of Dem debates. It's been like that in every primary.

I personally don't feel that Hillary WILL be able to that and that is why they are trying to target certain Dems to assure Hillary won't have to show up on stage next to them. That really tips her hand that she worries about her weaknesses. Well, if SHE worries about them, then so should we all.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:46 PM
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2. I know this is beyond petty and childish, but ......
I can't support Vilsack solely on the basis of his name ....... my brain just goes ***instantly*** to "ball sack" when I hear it.

I bet I'm not alone ..... some variation on the same theme has probably plagued the poor man since he was a kid .....

I admit freely that this is MONUMENTALLY unfair, but .... sorry ..... its how my screwed up brain sometimes works.
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:47 PM
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6. Jon Stewart made a joke to the same effect
Said, "Sorry, it's not gonna happen" for him.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 01:22 PM
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11. how did a bush, a dick and a colin have a chance?
nt
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:46 PM
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3. Gore/Sebelius -- The Dream Team
:kick:

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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:48 PM
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7. I like that you mention Sebelius of KS, I wish more people would.
Schweitzer of MT is another good possibility.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:01 PM
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14. Yes, him, too.
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 02:01 PM by longship
But I was thinking that we need somebody other than white men on the ticket.

If Kathleen would run for the top of the ticket, I could be talked into supporting that, too.

My #1 remains Gore, though. Overwhelmingly so.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:46 PM
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4. He said this at the end of his show the other day, too
Slipped it in right in the last 10 seconds of the show, it seemed.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:47 PM
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5. Please, shoot me now. n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 01:23 PM
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12. no just wait awhile it`s going to get worse........
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 01:28 PM
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13. 2008
Hillary's nutsack????
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:04 PM
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15. Awsome team !!!! Hillary/Vilsack !!!!!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:08 PM
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16. It would be awesome unless you're an anti-corruption, open government Democrat
and in that case you see the continuation of the covering up for BushInc that was started in the first Clinton administration.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 03:52 PM
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17. exactly
but i was hoping the above poster forgot the sarcasm icon
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:03 PM
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19. Hillary admin would certainly be no worse than Pelosi
pushing for Murtha with his history in a sting operation
and Hastings to a chairmanship of a sensitive committee.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:23 PM
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23. Now that was un-call for and is nothing but media spin.
Pelosi showed loyalty to Murtha for his help in the past. And, as for the suggestion that Murtha has ethic problems and Hoyer doesn't is ludicrous. With your comments and your strong support of a total DLC ticket one might conclude the DLC may have had a hand in swaying the vote Hoyer's way and against Pelosi.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 02:55 AM
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26. I was simply responding to the malicious post about corruption in
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 02:59 AM by fuzzyball
the Clinton admin. That was uncalled for.

I can understand many here do not like Hillary. But
please stop attacking the Clintons without evidence.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:47 AM
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28. The evidence is in CLINTON'S OWN BOOK and the actual historic record.
You want to pretend ALL Of this NEVER HAPPENED and there is no evidence of it?

Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:44 AM
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27. You've got to be kidding. Covering up for BushInc's crimes of office for over 30yrs
is MONUMENTALLY a crime of office itself - and Hillary will do it because Bill did it for Bush1 - she HAS to continue the cover up.

Murtha and Hastings are jaywalking compared to the crimes of office in IranContra, BCCI, Iraqgate, CIA drugrunning, ALL of which led to the rise of global terrorism, 9-11 and the Iraq war.

How on EARTH could there be any SANE comparison?
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 04:58 PM
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18. Tweety Whacks Off
To the thought of Hillary running for President. He gets a major boner (Boehner?) just thinking about it. Probably so he can recycle all of the smears that he did on her when Big Dog was in office.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:19 PM
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20. Sounds right on all counts. nt
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:19 PM
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21. Sounds right on all counts. nt
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:16 PM
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22. Good, I am thankful for some justice over this lie. I think kerry is
owed an apology and some respect. I am happy to see that Tweety and Deutsh aren't playing along.

As for those tickets- yuck!
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:41 AM
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24. I'm not voting for her. Carville is the puppetmaster.
And I don't care if you hate me for that. WILL NOT VOTE FOR HER. End of story.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:32 AM
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25. So you're the one who watches that show.....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:50 AM
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29. Deutsch's show is pretty good - he's an unabashed liberal who gives his
guests plenty of room to talk and make their case or hang themselves while making their case, like he did with Coulter.
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