A DU CALL FOR ACTION: Do not support the draft!

[Cascadian]

I am making a call to all DUers to not support or condone New York Congressman Charles Rangel's proposal to bring back conscription or the "draft". This will not work and will ultimately backfire on the Democrats and could even worsen the world situation. Bush could "use" the conscripts to go to Iraq, Afghanistan, or maybe even Iran. The right-wing spinsters will flim flam this to make the Democrats look bad and could be ultimately the ruin of the Democrats. Here are some anti-draft websites...

http://www.nodraftnoway.org/

http://www.petitiononline.com/rustan/petition.html


Also, don't forget to contact your congresspeople or senators. This must not stand!


John

[aquart]

1. That's nice. Except I do support it.

I don't support the war.

[lefthandedskyhook]

57. What might your reasons be?

Policies generally have both positive and negative effects. We must ask ourselves important questions on both sides of this argument. Why has the pro-war congress not supported the draft? Why does anti-war Noam Chomsky support it? The answer lies in the experience of the Viet Nam war: The citizens army would not tolerate hawkish abuse of our children any longer and the anti-war movement gained a lasting power. The price paid for this power was far too great and its effect too small, yet it stopped the war mongers from creating any large scale & highly publicized conflicts until Desert Storm, which opened the door to the tragic mess we are in now.

[MercutioATC]

62. Methinks somebody doesn't have draft-aged kids....

Wanna find a draft supporter? Look among those with nothing to sacrifice...

[pnwmom]

68. Or an ex-military volunteer who can't understand

why everybody else shouldn't be in the military.

[lefthandedskyhook]

76. It was an enormous relief...

...when draft registration ended right before I'd have been legally required to sign in. My heros at that time were Ghandi and MLK (they still are). I do have a son not draft age yet, but these things take time to play out.

I don't know what the best policy would be and I am not an expert. Most people in congress are not either. Chomsky does make a powerful argument though.

My own preference would be to finally heed the words of Eisenhower regarding the military industrial complex and to send war profiteers packing forever. I believe that this country and the world could be much safer with a far smaller military in the US. Our so-called leaders only foment war by attacking others. While on the subject, I heartily recommend this book: "War is a Racket", by Smedley Butler.

http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Anti-War-Americas-Decorated/dp/0922915865

[Mythsaje]

2. I think that this debate, in general

has the greatest chance of causing serious schisms here on DU.

I mean, I've already been called (not in so many words) a coward, a racist, an elitist, and a host of other things (at least by implication) for opposing the notion of a draft.

Nice to know some people think forcing other people into harm's way is "progressive."

[Cascadian]

6. I will not shut up about it!

It is not a Democrat vs. Democrat, Left vs. Right, or a Progressive vs. Moderate thing. It is about Right VS Wrong and I am afraid Rangel and some Democrats not to mention those on DU are dead wrong about this. It won't work! And I refuse to be pigeon holed into some lockstep to back this. You know as well as I do if a Republican were coming up with this, people on here would be calling for his/her head. This draft idea is not what we need right now.


John

[Mythsaje]

8. I don't disagree...

This is an example of one of the serious issues I have with some "liberals" and one of the reasons I SERIOUSLY loathe most "conservatives." I will oppose some things on principle no matter WHO comes up with them.

This is one of those things.

NO ONE gets a free pass for advocating putting a gun to my child's head and forcing him to go to war. (Not that my kid is really under any serious threat--he'd more likely get a medical deferment anyway).

[Ninja Jordan]

32. Rangel apparently isn't concerned with keeping a majority in Congress (nm)

[sillyparty]

61. So We Should Pass All Laws

So we should pass all laws that only help us keep a majority.

Ever wonder how we got here.

Ninja Jordan showed us.

[Monkeyman]

3. I don't support a draft I do want the debate

[babylonsister]

4. I support Rangel's proposal, if only to open up the dialogue

and put this illegal war front and center. Plus, I'm not about to go dissing a Dem at this point, especially someone as important as Rangel to House goals.

[jannyk]

5. Sorry, I do support it too. eom

[Nite Owl]

7. We need an honest conversation on

this in America. People need to understand the real consequences of endless war. It isn't going to hurt but will bring to the forefront the need for peace.

[uppityperson]

9. no draft

[Gregorian]

10. I think we should discuss this. And do it neutrally.

I am totally antiwar. But I would say that 100% of the human race is, also. When on the business end of a gun.

However, I remember when there was a draft, and I was just about the right age to be drafted. Man, did I pay attention to politics. If for only that reason, it's worth it.

But without hearing from Rangle, I don't want to second guess what I'm sure is a very well thought out argument.

However, I think there should be no draft. That is a long discussion, though. And a subjective one.

Furthermore, we should look at Rangle's fine print before jumping to conclusions. I've already seen one post that claims this is not a true draft, but a draft with several choices.

[babsbunny]

12. NO DRAFT!

No more death!

[AZBlue]

33. "Man, did I pay attention to politics."

Excellent point. And one that, to be honest, I hadn't considered before. Not only would it wake up those who are of the age to be drafted, but their families and friends as well.

I'm not sure where I stand on the draft - I'm opposed for certain reasons and for it for others. I welcome debate to examine the issue more completely.

[pnwmom]

69. Everything has changed. Americans ARE paying attention.

That is the meaning of the election we just had. Bush ran on Iraq and he lost. Americans are demanding that we get out. They will feel betrayed if any Dems support a draft. That is the OPPOSITE of what we intended when we voted for Democrats.

[Old and In the Way]

11. This debate needs to happen in Congress.

The Republicans have justified their whole agenda based on the "we're at war" and it is the "clash of civilizations" bluster. Fine. If it's so important, lets see where they stand on putting their kids on the front lines. I think we'll see a collapse of their argument as both Republicans and Democrats vote against a draft. The rationale to continue this illegal and immoral war with volunteers who are left to rot in Iraq will end as well.

[mike_c]

13. the draft is political cowardice at best....

It's an attempt to create even more pain, death, and suffering to provide political cover for Congress so that members can safely oppose the war. Congress should simply do its duty and end the illegal war against Iraq. It should not need political cover. Ending the war is the right thing to do-- it does not need any additional justification.

[smoogatz]

14. Rangel's been talking about the need for a draft since the war began.

His point is a reasonable one--that in the current military, those in harm's way are mostly poor or lower middle class, with whites under-represented, and affluent whites practically non-existant. A draft--with no exemptions, period--might produce a somewhat less belligerent foreign policy, and that would be a good thing. I'm old enough to remember the Vietnam-era draft very clearly (I was about three years too young to get a draft number, but my brother had one). The Vietnam-era draft affected (and killed) poor whites and minorities disproportionately laregely because of the college deferment that Cheney took advantage of. Five times.

My feeling about what Rangel's doing is this: I doubt that he seriously expects (or wants) a draft to be the ultimate product of this debate. He's trying to use his new, bigger megaphone to make an important point--that the decision to go to war was made by people with no personal stake in the potential death or injury of any particular member of the military. If you draft Babs and Jenna, that decision might be harder to make. My solution is the following: all able-bodied persons who are of age to serve in the military that voted for Bush in the '04 election should be drafted immediately. They voted for the war, let them fight the goddamn thing.

[a la izquierda]

15. I'll be damned...

if someone will force my future children to go fight. If the war is justified and my kids choose to, fine. But no one is going to force them..not a chance.

[bemildred]

16. Let them pass a draft. I look forward to it.

The best possible way to guarantee this country will start moving to the left again.

[Daylin Byak]

17. FORGET THE DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!

I'm 19 years old and i'm the only thing my mom has got left. My Father died in a motorcycle accident in 2002 and i'm the only bright spot left in my mom's life and i'll be damned if i'm going to sent to war to die. If I die then so is my mom's will to live.

I'll dodge to Canada before I join up in the U.S Army and I don't care what you all think, I will not be sent to Iran or North Korea and leave my mom forever.

NO DRAFT FOR ME.

[bemildred]

18. Don't yell at me.

They had the draft when I was young, and we fought back, in many ways. I suggest you do the same. I would not sign up either. I look forward to the coming civil insurrection.

[Daylin Byak]

21. Sorry, if you thought I was yelling at you

I wasn't, i was talking to everyone who reads the post.

[Pugee]

34. Canada won't work this time.

--College and even Canada won't be options. In 2001, Canada and the United States signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. The declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.--

This is an interesting article on how the draft would work supposedly.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=875907&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

Does anyone else find it interesting that this declaration was signed a couple of months before 911?

[Cascadian]

53. You may have to go South of the Border.

...and go as far as maybe Venezuela. Hugo Chavez would probably welcome any draft dodgers. Or maybe Brazil or Chile. You kids of draft age. Learn Spanish or Portuguese.



John

[wellstone dem]

19. I think that's rangel's point

with a draft, people would join together in outrage against the war. As it is, people are still buying SUV's for two-person urban or suburban households.

[bemildred]

20. Me too.

Sort of like a cattle prod for a stupified electorate. Mr Rangel himself might come to regret it though.

[acmejack]

23. Of course it is his point. But all of our high minded friends are so busy damning

us for the troglodytes we are for supporting something that might end this and any future war in their very tracks, to notice. It must be great to approach everything from the moral high ground and never have to deal with any of the messy details of reality! Congratulations to all of you idealists.

[Mythsaje]

36. Thank you...

I'm proud to say I oppose those who would impress their will on innocent kids in order to further political goals.

Call it idealism if you like.

In some cases I'm middle-of-the-road. In this, I am diametrically opposed. And if my wife and best friend haven't been able to sway me over the past several years, there isn't a chance that anyone on DU would be able to do so.

[Poll_Blind]

74. I agree. Strongly. n/t

PB

[noahmijo]

22. So I should be forced into harm's way so you OLD BASTARDS can make a fucking point

well fuck you and fuck Rangel. Impose a plan to send the spawn of those who are directly profiting from this war but leave the rest of us the fuck out of it.


And yes this WOULD be the ruin of the Democrats. The repukes are pros are twisting shit that THEY are responsible for and making the nation believe that it is our fault-just imagine what they would do with this one.

[acmejack]

24. That Americacorps is some dangerous work!

You might run into a rogue chipmunk. You are reaching into GW Bush territory of heroism.

[noahmijo]

26. Alright then you go, that's it drop your job, your wife your kids GO

the danger is just a side effect of something like the draft. Get pulled from your loved ones for years, forced out of your job, and then you come back home to what? what if the job isn't there waiting for you anymore? think of the lost time with your family that you could've had. It's more than just a danger of being killed, it's everything else that would be lost and for what?

You're willing to send off young guys like me and steal anywhere from years of life to entire lifetimes? Who's going to take care of us when we come back to no jobs, stolen memories, abandoned wives and other love ones? you?


Like I said: YOU. HAVE.NO.RIGHT.ASSHOLE

[acmejack]

28. Did it, youngster.

For you and your parents, the rest of the Country-uncomplainingly! You're welcome. Disabled veteran, I guess I am just an asshole for doing it, though from what I am hearing here. It seemed like what I was supposed to do at the time.

[noahmijo]

30. So because you were wronged that means my generation should be too?

hey look sorry you got a bum rap out of it, but I am tired of getting this treatment from vets this idea that because they did the deed that means we should too.

Don't even try to talk down to me because you have some experience on me and because you served while I didn't. I didn't call you an asshole for serving, I called you an asshole for demanding that pony up too and that I be placed in the same shit that you were in. Nobody not even you has the right to force me or my friends and family to receive the same bullshit bum rap that every vet of the draft had to endure. It's a crying shame you had to endure it and if I had my way I would cut all corporate welfare and used it to erect mansions for all disabled vets, but that doesn't mean I'll just bow down to the will of any man regardless of stature or experience and take part in something that is potentially life ruining and has no purpose.

[acmejack]

37. Perhaps you would profit, there is no one suggesting the need to get your

ass blown off, an alternative my generation wasn't granted. You aren't even willing to have an discussion, something which is not conducive to promoting much of anything. Calling people assholes prior to even knowing what is on the table does not seem to promote a rational thoughtful dialog.

National service and National Military service are far different things. If no one is willing to lift a finger to make the place they live any better other than sit in front of their keyboards and bitch & tell off people like me, so be it. I guess I am older, tireder, and more irrelevant than I realized. I actually don't give a fuck what you all do any more. Enjoy your lives.

[noahmijo]

40. I started the dialouge but you didn't bother to read past the first line

too bad any other topic we would've been complete allies I garuntee you, but advocating that I am forced to do anything other than look out for my loved ones-even if it is just to sweep a floor gets a nasty response from me regardless of who you are.

In your position you'd be better served educating people about the dangers of sending kids off to do any kind of forced service as opposed to advocating it.

[acmejack]

42. You see, W I come from the same place.

I would have been in that unit if my Daddy had been a Congressman. Rangel's plan would see that people like George go too. I like that. I guarantee you if that is the case, nobody goes!

[noahmijo]

44. from what I can tell it is a blanket draft

it actually says that only rich kids whose parents are profiting from the war would go?

[Name removed]

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[noahmijo]

67. You advocate using human life to make a point but I'm the nut

You are no better than bush or his ilk with a remark like that.

[k_jerome]

29. maybe it would teach you a little respect. nt.

[noahmijo]

31. respect for what? I should show respect to those who want to place me in harm's way

to justify a point?

Maybe YOU should learn a little respect. It's my generation that will be running this country in the years to come and we will not forget those who ruined or destroyed our lives.

[k_jerome]

38. respect for what?

someone that drops the f-bomb to look cool on a message board? Someone that slams a man that I'll wager has done more for his country this year than you for an entire lifetime? OK. Keep raising the level of discourse by saying f everyone.

What will you do? Round them up and say "f you" or kill them?

[noahmijo]

41. Yea you didn't even read all of my posts on this topic

I get nasty when someone suggests I should leave everything I know for a life of servitude-safe or unsafe it's slavery.

I will continue to say FUCK YOU to anyone who implies that I should sacrificed whether it be via life or time in order to prove a point for their own edification and NO ONE has the right to do that. Even if it is someone who risked it and is now a member of the veteran population the fact is no one has the right.


So if a decorated veteran came to your home and attempted to drag your 17 year old out the door to spend the next 5 years sweeping a floor in some "protected" area in Iraq you would be okay with that? you wouldn't object in anyway? what if he got mean about it? you would just stay passive and let it happen?

I dropped the "f" bomb because such an idea is enough to get me riled up. I don't have anything to prove I have no need or desire to "act cool" I have my loved ones I have my future wife I am content with life but apparently it is you and your ilk that are not content that you desire to see individuals such as myself hauled away from what we know in order for your point to be proved.

[Mythsaje]

39. Don't feel bad, Noah...

My elders have been shoving that "learn respect" crap down my throat since I was a kid.

My dad recently looked at me and said "The one thing I'm most proud to say about you is that you're your own man."

Took 40 years for him to say it to me, but he did in the end.

NO ONE, and I mean no one, is going to lever me or my kids into someone else's fight. Not without a hell of a lot of bruising for their troubles.

Give 'em hell, kid.

[noahmijo]

43. Thank You and I will say I feel bad speaking like this

I take no pleasure in getting nasty with a veteran or anybody for that matter regardless of age. But as I said I will not tolerate anyone, decorated, holy, whatever claiming ownership to my life and my actions-that's MY job that's what being an American is supposed to be about is it not?

It's not even the danger of being killed that works me up-it is true as the man who first derided me for my original comments said I could actually object to the war and maybe be placed in some civilian type duty like bedpan cleaning or something but the point is so for people like that to make a point I should be forced away from the woman I love from the family and friends I care about from my job and then be forced to do shit work for how long? 3, 5, maybe up to 10 years?

Meantime who would take care of my wife? the government? people like those who are defiling at me because of my comments? when I finally come back home to a broken woman and dead relatives (natural causes) would my job still be there? what if it wasn't?

Point is that in some ways is just as bad if not worse than death. It is one of the worst forms of slavery and there are people even on this board that apparently wouldn't mind seeing kids like me through it-if only to prove a point.

And sir you can bet it all that I will continue to give hell against such ideas to the day I become grey and withered.

[Mythsaje]

46. I see it the same way, more or less...

It's forced servitude to the State and, in my opinion, absolutely contrary to Democratic ideals.

I've made the argument that enticing people to engage in civil service by offering room, board, and education is one thing. Making it mandatory is something else entirely.

I've argued over this with my wife and best friend for years. And like I've said here today...if they couldn't get me to bend, there's NO chance that anyone on DU could do it.

[noahmijo]

47. Yea I mean I could get behind an idea even where teens volunteer for a day

at a VA hospital or something as a field trip.


This though..

[Mythsaje]

49. I'd actually like to see some kind of New New Deal...

God only knows they've limited education opportunties for everyone except the rich.

Something's gotta give.

This whole argument, on the other hand, makes me ill.

[MichiganVote]

50. Many high schools already have programs such as you're describing

[lefthandedskyhook]

77. You may or may not know this...

...but you appear to be part of the 'radical middle' as defined by Thom Hartmann (as am I). He suggests that the solution for our kind is to infiltrate the Democratic party and even the Republican party in order to restore true democracy in the US. Check it out if you are interested and haven't already.

Peace

[pnwmom]

70. noahmijo, I'm totally with you.

I hate it when people treat young people like pawns. Any Democrat who supports Rangel's plan is betraying the people who voted for him or her. The Democrats have no mandate to start a draft. They have a mandate to end the war.

[k_jerome]

25. I support the draft. nt.

[designforce]

27. I too support some form of National Service (Draft)

After reading what he said today I have to say I agree. I think some type of national service is good for our country and our citizens. Doing work in hospitals, etc would be good for all.

As for having to be drafted into the military, I agree with that as long as the war powers as they are outlined in the constitution are followed. We could not have won WWII without a draft. Even in that war, people had to be drafted in order for us to save western democracy.

And the debate will be healthy. Perhaps even the right wing crazies will begin to realize that there is a real cost to wage war, especially if they believe their own will be forced to fight for what they believe.

Bring on the debate!

[MichiganVote]

35. Wow, is this the thread where everyone forgot what Iraq is really about?

How many of you who support a draft also support impeachment for a war begun on a pack of lies? And the solution to that is to conscript more people to go there?

Oh yeah, that makes like zero sense. :eyes:

[Cascadian]

75. Great point! eom

[sampsonblk]

81. Makes no sense TO YOU

I support impeachment AND a draft. Here's why:

As you said, this particular war was started on a pack of lies, etc. One of the main reasons why Bush's strategy worked is because the public was not all that connected to the consequences of the war. "Hell, why not support it? Ain't gonna cost me nuthin!"

But if supporting a war meant risking one's life or the lives of one's children, a whole lot less people would be so gullible. They might even go back to reading newspapers and silly stuff like knowing what the government is up to.

My second reason is that the nation may someday actually be in real peril. In that time, someone will have to answer the call. I will go. Plenty of people will. But the burden and risk should be shared equally in a time of national need.

That said, Bush should be impeached and imprisoned immediately. But it was the public who let him do this.

[LWolf]

45. I will never support a draft.

You think one Cindy Sheehan gets some notice? Try conscripting our sons without their consent. A nation of angry mothers, provoked into defending their sons and daughters, is an overwhelming force to contend with.

I have tried to live my life as close to a pacifist as possible, with this one exception: keep away from my boys, or I will hound you beyond the grave.

[MichiganVote]

48. I'm in agreement, Wolf. For some reason people assume Draft=Dialogue

Has Washington, Dem or Repub., shown any sign of wanting a dialogue with Americans the past six years? If they have, I surely missed the invite and doubtless you did too.

[Mythsaje]

51. The people advocating it

are thinking exactly that...it'll force a dialogue and end the war right away.

At least until the next time they can bamboozle the American people into supporting a war of aggression.

[LWolf]

78. I think they're wrong.

I think introducing "draft" into the conversation sets people up to be conditioned to accept it as a reasonable possibility, and will turn any conversation about it the wrong direction.

It reminds me of the last 6 years; all of those "it will NEVER go that far," which suddenly became business as usual. The patriot act, torture, etc..

[HardWorkingDem]

79. Your reply is exactly why we need this discussion...

Those in the government NEED to think about these mothers and their sons and daughters. Right now the all-volunteer service removes this from being much of a concern.

We need to make government accountable for its decisions and this discussion is about the only thing frightening enough to make the pols worry about it.

You know, one thing I've been waiting to hear some reporter or person ask a Senator is this: "YOU represent the entire state from which you were elected. When are YOU going to start acting like it. YOU represent all the families that you have allowed to go to war. When are YOU going to say enough is enough." I want to hear McCain, Warner, and all the war proponents answer this, but none have even been asked.

[beaconess]

52. I support the draft

It will certainly make people much less cavalier about supporting unsupportable wars.

I get so sick of hearing people say, "We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here." That is the most callous, selfish approach I can imagine. What they're telling us is that they'd rather send someone else's kids across the world to be cannon fodder in order to make sure that their own hides (and those of their kids) stay safe and sound.

The draft would nip much of that thinking in the bud. And presidents and members of Congress would be much more careful about sending troops into harm's way on fools errands and Haliburton boondoggles if they had to answer to a broader range of constituents.

[Mythsaje]

54. I think what pisses ME off about that meme

is the idea that it's okay to fuck up someone else's culture and landscape, and kill who knows how many of THEM, so we don't have to "fight them over here."

I'd rather not see ANYONE'S kids dragged into some oligarch's war.

[beaconess]

56. Exactly!

And this from the same people who scream about "the culture of life."

[Art_from_Ark]

58. During the Vietnam War, there were countless fathers who were willing

to sacrifice their own sons for what they considered to be a "noble cause". I call it the "Abraham Syndrome". I seriously doubt it would be any different this time around.

[MercutioATC]

63. You don't have draft-aged kids, do you?

If you did, you might not be so eager to sacrifice them to make a point.

[pnwmom]

71. Who is cavalier? We just had an election. Didn't you notice?

The Republicans lost because of Iraq. Because America is sick to death of that war and we want to get out.

We just sent a message. And Congress better listen.

The message is: get out of Iraq.

It was not: start another draft. Give them more bodies to play with.

[sampsonblk]

55. In a time of legitimate war, I support a draft

This is not a legitimate war, and Bush's worst wish is that the majority of the public will cease to be insulated from the realities of the Iraq occupation.

I think this is a bad idea on the part of Rangel. Not only a bad idea, but it also won't get anywhere.

But a draft itself is not a bad thing. At least not in my book.

[sillyparty]

59. Here's What I Don't Support

People that use this issue to worry about how it affects the Democratic Majority.

If it makes America wake up and pay attention to the lies that send kids to war.

I don't give a rat's ass what it does to the Dem majority.

And if you do, you are sick.

Volunteers are dying for this lie. And all you care about is your political capital.

Any American dying, any Iraqi dying for this war is wrong.

And all you worry about is how the Dems will make out.

Absoulutly disgusting.

[Mr_Spock]

65. Excellent point

I am trying not to laugh at people who are taking this literally and reacting in an irrational way.

[pnwmom]

72. Americans have ALREADY woken up. That was the message

of the election. Bush ran on the war and Democrats opposed it -- and you know who won.

If the Democrats now suddenly support a draft in order to expand the war, and to open wars on new fronts, Americans will have every right to feel betrayed.

I protested against this war for months before it started. Now that the American public is finally upset enough about the war to vote in droves to kick the bastards out -- it makes absolutely no sense to start a draft.

[TheJollyNihilist]

64. I do not support a draft in any circumstance, ever

And I think that about says it all.

[Mr_Spock]

66. You can't seem to stop missing the point here

Oh, well, no harm in saying you are against the draft - anyone can say that and be on the right side. Doing what Rangel is doing to make a point about the chickenhawks - now THAT takes guts.

[AJ9000]

73. You're right. It could easily backfire. nm

[Cameron27]

80. No draft.

Whatever Rangel's thinking, he's wrong, the rich & powerful will always exempt themselves from fighting in a war. Let's support a bill that drafts the sons and daughters of the lawmakers who vote for war, that'll work.

Leave the middle class and poor alone.

[No Exit]

82. I will never support any draft. If Rangel were my congressman, I'd call him

up and demand that he assure me that he does not intend in any way to actually enact a draft.

Because it's my understanding--from listening to Rangel explain himself on TV--that he absolutely does NOT intend to enact a draft. He says the debate of such a bill "would end the war". I believe him. He has been a congressman a long time; he knows the system; he knows how a bill gets approved or not approved. This is a ploy to get us out of this stupid endless war against IraqIranSyriaWhoever. He himself has said it is a ploy.

[FrenchieCat]

83. The draft will never pass, but the discussion about how we go around

wagings wars that we didn't have to fight will begin in earnest.

We won't need any draft if we have a responsible congress that doesn't vote to give a President a blank check based out of fear for the political futures.

Hope many learned their lesson on this, Republicans AND Democrats.

War is hell; it ain't no political hot potato! People can be misled, but congress has a job to ensure that they are not.