Does anyone here actually, sincerely believe that the same voting public who believed Bush in 2004

[ComerPerro]

when he called Kerry a flip flopper and attacked his infamous "voted for it, before I voted against it" sound byte.

that same voting public

does anyone here sincerely believe that this group of disinterested and apathetic morons will actually appreciate and understand the real motivations behind the draft proposal?

Does anyone think that Dems will get a fair hearing in the media to be able to explain the position.


Picture it:

"So, the Democrats say they are proposing a draft, as they have tried to in the past, but they don't want a draft? That is nonsense. Why do they want to send your children to war?"

[onenote]

1. I just love it when a DUer refers to the voting public as "disinterested and apathetic morons"

:sarcasm:


So let me get this straight: you think its appropriate to call the voting public that just elected a Democratic majority in the House and Senate "stupid"

Okay, whatever.

[endarkenment]

3. How else would you figure that 50% (give or take)

that voted for Bush in 04 ought to be described? Intelligent, informed, and caring?

[onenote]

5. as voters we need to attract and convince

Not as "stupid"

[Zavulon]

6. Surely suggesting a draft isn't the best way.

I agree with the OP on the voting public, actually. Your average voter is not as politically aware as your average DUer. Even Freetards, with their fucked-up priorities, generally pay more attention than your average voter.

This is a big site, but still a fraction of the voting public. The OP is right - this stupidity of Rangel's is going to be thrown in our face for ages.

[ComerPerro]

16. and its not just Rangel that goes down, its all Dems

[ComerPerro]

11. so we convince them by attacking the war in elections, then pushing a draft first thing?

[onenote]

12. no, we convince them that "wars of choice" will occur if the public has no stake

[ComerPerro]

14. did you not even read my orignal post? They won't ever get that message

[onenote]

18. so do you propose we just give up?

Not following your approach: you assume virtually half of the electorate is stupid and will fall for repub lies every time. And apparently you believe that situation is unalterable (although its unclear how you explain the Democratic victories on November 7).

[ComerPerro]

20. clearly that is not what I am saying

I am saying that until things change dramatically in the media, we cannot afford to use political processes in this kind of symbolic manner and expect the public to understand it

[ComerPerro]

7. they barely elected a majority, and they should have done it years ago

And, honestly, has the media ever protrayed our positions honestly?

And has the public ever understood the finer details of legislation?

[onenote]

13. so, how do you propose to change the situation

shame people into voting for us by calling them names?

[ComerPerro]

15. I say the Congress needs to pressure the president to ask people to make sacrifices

Demand, for example, that he start encouraging supporters to enlist, roll back unnecessary tax cuts for the wealthy...

This is his war, he is going to need to show some courage and leadership here

[Zavulon]

2. Rangel deserves what he gets here.

This idea is such a stupid way to get that message across that all we've accomplished, as you correctly point out, is confusing a voting public that was dumb enough to reSelect Bush.

I've already heard it from Freetards. "Yeah, they claim Bush wants a draft, but it's the fucking Dems proposing one." The dumber voters will listen. Young voters could go Republican because of this dimwitted bullshit.

Nice going, Chuck.

[rock]

4. Admittedly we need less rhetoric and more plain talk

from our politicians.

[Phredicles]

8. Definitely - Rangel is playing a game here, and one that,

in even a slightly misjudged climate, could easily blow up in his face - in everyone's faces.

[ComerPerro]

10. thats the big problem. it won't just blow up in his face alone

it will blow up in the faces of all Democrats

[ComerPerro]

9. thats another point. It makes us look like hypocrites

[UScitizen]

17. Why do you insist on bashing the people?

Most are educated in poor schools with extremely high drop out rates.

We work and struggle to raise a family. Fight credit card debt that trebled because we were late on one payment. Power companies doubling their utility bill because they could. Insurance companies deny their claims because there is no one on their side. Inundated with fine print agreements from everyone from the federal government to the cable company that no one could understand if you do read it. Fighting the bean counters from their bank to their local government who set up fees and rules to maximize income instead of protecting the consumers.

Conflicting news that requires hours of research to find the truth. Your name is recorded at the library if you try to get that truth.

After going through 9/11 and involved in two wars they try to be patriotic and support the President because that is what everyone, at the beginning, said should be done. Maybe they did not move fast enough for you but they did what needed to be done.

Thousands dieing in Iraq, tens of thousands getting maimed, with no good choices...keep fighting or desert.

The American people are not perfect but why don't you work to make their lives a little easier rather than throwing them onto the scrap heap of life?

[newyawker99]

19. Hi UScitizen!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ComerPerro]

21. why do you insist on propping up the President and Republicans?

[paulk]

26. yes, disagreeing with you is tantamount

to propping up Bush and the Republicans....


Are you sure it's just the voting public that are a bunch of dumbasses?

[dogman]

22. Most have called for hearings and investigations of bushco.

This would be one of the more important disclosures of the system of manning the military and how it has been abused and misused. I would like to see Pentagon officials and military planners sworn in and testifying. The reality is that these people have turned on the war in large part because they have come to realize the cost in lives and the fact that it's continuance will reach in to their households.

[ComerPerro]

23. See, yes, this is the way to really change things. Not this draft BS

[dogman]

24. The draft BS is the vehicle to get there.

Rangel knows how Congress works. This isn't just some fantasy on his part. This is why he introduced it previously. The GOPers would not hold hearings however. They just brought it up for an up or down vote.

[ComerPerro]

25. I don't give him that much credit. If he wanted hearings, he would be talking hearings