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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:37 PM
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Poll question: Should senior citizens be drafted?
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:43 PM
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1. At what age is one a senior citizen, exactly? I have a ranch to run but it
sounds like a nice change of pace to me.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:45 PM
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2. If you're old enough to get a discount at the movie theater
you're old enough to serve.

Freedom isn't free.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:09 AM
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16. If you're young enough NOT to get a discount at the movie theater,
you have no right to demand a damned thing from people who lived under the draft.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:52 PM
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3. The last anti-war rally I attended three years ago
I stood next to a woman in the bitter cold who was in her 80's. There was only one other protester there with us (about 40 people) who was younger than about 45. Also, I don't know any seniors who are for this war. I have only found younger people who support the war (say 40 and under). AND, they're all here. So, in actuality, they don't support the war, they "support" the war. Those are the people who should be drafted.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:57 PM
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4. We are ready to fight!!!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:07 AM
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5. Thanks for posting sarcasm better than I did
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:44 AM
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6. All senior citizens who are politicians should be drafted.
It's a great way to promote fellowship and collegiality among them!

Some of them will don their new uniforms bursting their buttons with pride (or perhaps merely from high living.)

Others of them will take to the streets, with "Hell no, I won't go!" tastefully etched on the sides of their limousines and luxury SUV's, as they whiz by the unwashed masses and other trash on the sidewalks.

All of them will have the chance to show their love of country and toughness.

Some of them will be killed by "friendly fire". Well, dammit, it takes a while to learn how to use all these high-tech weapons-of-mass-destruction, don'tcha know? Especially for a certain rather elderly senator from Alaska.

Senator McCain will, of course, be taken prisoner early on, but will continue to run his criminal enterprises from prison--just like any other organized-crime don.
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 11:10 AM
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7. What if they already served?
My spouse is heading into that age group and retirement looms. However, he served 14 months "in country" during a war he didn't believe in back then. Would he have to do it again? If so, he requests that this time he can fight for a good, noble cause. Got any?
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:19 PM
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8. It's easy for older people to intellectualize the war
if they don't have skin in the game.

Kick.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:45 PM
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10. They HAD "skin in the game."
That's what people who never lived under the draft seem unable to understand.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 11:02 PM
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11. So the draft was a good idea in Vietnam?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:04 AM
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14. I replied to: "It's easy for older people to intellectualize the war"
"if they don't have skin in the game."

What a HUGE leap of logic to get to, "So the draft was a good idea in Vietnam?"

Obviously, I neither said nor implied any such thing. (I'd say "nice try," but in fact it was pretty amateur.)
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 10:44 PM
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9. They already were.
Or at least, got numbers and lived with the threat.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 11:06 PM
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12. Well, if it was good for them then, it should be good for them now.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:05 AM
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15. "If it was good for them"....?!
Who said "It was good for them?"

Honestly, if you want to argue with strawmen, you'll have to try harder than that.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:02 AM
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13. Thanks for being the first to post one of these ludicrous polls...
that actually have anything resembling your option #5.

... happy thanksgiving. :)
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:06 AM
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17. Fun Topic
Actually, a good lot of the Senior Citizens took to the streets to do away with the draft. You won't find many of them who support it. :)

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:17 AM
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18. Yeah, "fun."
A lot of them also lived with a "number," saw their friends and family die or come back devastated, and a lot came back and fought against the war as veterans.

No rational person will support the idea of a military draft for unnecessary, stupid, fruitless, greedy, or otherwise ill-conceived wars.

But the notion that the service of generations has created a generation with no clue what that meant, a generation that finds it "unfair" to be required even to do the horrible service of picking up trash or serving soup, is astonishing to me.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:40 AM
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19. Absolutely. I think they should be the first people drafted.
They'd always be able to steal a march on the enemy because they get up so goddamn early. We just have to make sure Halliburton sets the breakfast buffets on time and we can't lose.
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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:21 PM
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20. Draft should start with 50 year old men and women and work down
in age as needed.

That age group has never faced a draft. Forty to fifty year olds are more mature and experienced, are still physically fit and have had twice as long to live as 20 year-olds who are more prone to make rash mistakes. Previous service excludes from the draft and only one of two parents (same or mixed gender) can be called at the same time.

Besides as a 52 year old who already faced the draft this plan keeps my fur out of the game.
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